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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#801 » by Blazinaway » Sat Apr 22, 2017 3:31 pm

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Blazinaway wrote:why does Johnathon Motley (PF) seen to get so little love here and on most draft boards, seems like a solid player who may be more ready to contribute then a lot of the PF/Cs in this draft. Is some of it his age at 22?


I think he's an undersized center. Nothing spectacular about his game. Its possible he can be taken high, but power forward is the deepest position in this draft and there are a lot of younger guys with upside there. Lauri Markkanen, Harry Giles, DJ Wilson, Isaiah Hartenstein, Ivan Rabb, Caleb Swanigan, TJ Leaf, Tyler Lydon, Alpha Kaba, John Collins (and there are more guys that could go higher). His stock is really dependent on other player's stock.

Motley has an elite skill for sure: Interview Composure.

But in all seriousness, I agree Blazinaway that Motley is underrated. He seems to be a great teammate who respects and is respected by his teammates. He brings a ton of energy and looks like he has a good understanding of the game. He's pretty darn athletic, so while he doesn't have any other elite skills, I think he can develop a lot of high-end skills. He's just a solid player.


Yeah, I would not expect him to be a high level player but perhaps a solid rotational guy, and if you can get a player like that in the late 20's or 30's that IMO is a good pick. He seems to have a decent all around skillset. The Blazers badly need bigs and ones that can come in and contribute soon as opposed to 2-3 yrs at least development guys, I was thinking Motley might fit the bill,.
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#802 » by SlowPaced » Sun Apr 23, 2017 2:20 pm

Cameron Oliver, anyone?

Low bball IQ, but his versatility is tailor made for the current game. Could really blossom into something really good under the right guidance. Explosive athlete, protects the rim and can shoot.
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Post#803 » by doordoor123 » Sun Apr 23, 2017 2:49 pm

SlowPaced wrote:Cameron Oliver, anyone?

Low bball IQ, but his versatility is tailor made for the current game. Could really blossom into something really good under the right guidance. Explosive athlete, protects the rim and can shoot.


He's more of a project to me and I'm not too high on him as a project. His 7'1 wingspan is average for a starter and I think the only attribute that makes him stand out is his explosiveness, which i may be underrating because explosiveness often leads to success. He has good timing for blocking shots and can cover the weak side. I also like his jumper potential. He's just inconsistent and in the NBA -- especially for power forward you need something that makes you stand out (a skill, bodytype, elite athleticism or speed, intelligence, shooting average). I'm just not sure only explosiveness is enough. So I guess I'm iffy on him in a deep draft for PF and in a league where power forward is the 2ns strongest position (most teams are happy with their PFs).
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#804 » by SlowPaced » Sun Apr 23, 2017 2:57 pm

doordoor123 wrote:So I guess I'm iffy on him in a deep draft for PF and in a league where power forward is the 2ns strongest position (most teams are happy with their PFs).


See I'm not too high on some of the PFs ranked ahead of him, which adds to his intrigue for me.
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#805 » by SlowPaced » Mon Apr 24, 2017 7:35 pm

I cannot for the life of me understand why Josh Hart is still considered a mid 2nd round pick on most mocks.

The dude has solid pro written all over him.
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Post#806 » by doordoor123 » Mon Apr 24, 2017 7:52 pm

SlowPaced wrote:I cannot for the life of me understand why Josh Hart is still considered a mid 2nd round pick on most mocks.

The dude has solid pro written all over him.


Short wingspan, bad off the dribble jumper, average athlete, lacks creativity with the ball (more drive on open lanes and shoot threes).

At the next level he's going to be an average defender, good offensive rebounder, good transition player who will get to the free throw line and his game will rely on his three point shot. He's a solid roleplayer at the next level. If a playoff team needs something like him to give energy in the later part of the first round they could take him. I think he's more of a second round pick and I wouldn't be surprised if his game doesn't translate at all to the NBA because his offensive rebounds will be harder to come by, his shot isn't high-arcing and I'm really iffy on his defense at the next level because there were times in college he couldn't defend guys in front of him and his wingspan isn't great.
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Post#807 » by GimmeDat » Tue Apr 25, 2017 2:51 am

I'm going to say Jonah Bolden again, I've mentioned him a few times.

There's a whole bunch of solid guys mocked in the 2nd right now that can turn in to players, but I think that's a product of the draft being fairly deep in to that range, not because people don't know guys have potential.

Bolden seems like a guy that's been pretty off-radar for a lot of people, so I consider him a true sleeper. LOVE his skill-set and physical tools for the 4 spot.
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Post#808 » by Rastas » Tue May 2, 2017 8:30 am

Jonah Bolden will appear on a lot of radars once the tryout's start.
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Post#809 » by Catchall » Wed May 3, 2017 2:22 am

Kurucs looks like the wing version of Dario Saric, in terms of skill set. He's an adequate, even slightly plus athlete who seems like he can do just about everything at 6'8". Not sure about his defense, and he's not explosive, but he looks like a guy who can create from the top of the circle a bit like a Mike Dunleavy. He should be a decent rotation player.
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Post#810 » by kennydorglas » Wed May 3, 2017 6:14 pm

Jacob WIley? Anyone?
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Post#811 » by reanimator » Wed May 3, 2017 7:51 pm

Catchall wrote:Kurucs looks like the wing version of Dario Saric, in terms of skill set. He's an adequate, even slightly plus athlete who seems like he can do just about everything at 6'8". Not sure about his defense, and he's not explosive, but he looks like a guy who can create from the top of the circle a bit like a Mike Dunleavy. He should be a decent rotation player.


Dunleavy is a good ceiling comp. If he had Saric's strength/frame then i'd be higher on him.
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Post#812 » by doordoor123 » Wed May 3, 2017 8:31 pm

I think one of my biggest sleepers is Chandler Hutchinson. He's a fluid 6'7 guy with a long wingspan, he's bouncy and he gets a lot of rebounds. He has been shooting 35% from 3, but he's playing out of position. He should be a 3/4, but has been playing the 2. He'll hit more in the NBA with some more space.
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#813 » by Catchall » Thu May 4, 2017 12:57 am

Rastas wrote:Jonah Bolden will appear on a lot of radars once the tryout's start.


I'm hoping the Jazz can grab him at #30, but he may not be on the board.
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#814 » by EvanZ » Thu May 4, 2017 3:05 pm

kennydorglas wrote:Jacob WIley? Anyone?


Yes. I like him. Disappointed he didn't get a Combine invitation.
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Post#815 » by EvanZ » Thu May 4, 2017 3:06 pm

Thomas Bryant is really long and looks like a good shooter for a big. Not the most athletic guy, but he's one to watch.
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Post#816 » by doordoor123 » Thu May 4, 2017 7:33 pm

EvanZ wrote:Thomas Bryant is really long and looks like a good shooter for a big. Not the most athletic guy, but he's one to watch.


He has always looked that way. And he's can run the floor really well. I've seen him go coast to coast a couple times too. He has the same issues he had two years ago.
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Post#817 » by Catchall » Thu May 4, 2017 9:48 pm

Bryant is first-round talent, but he'll likely be taken in the second round. There are just so many bigs in the late first round. Bryant can play a role like Mareese Speights and do a better job of it than Speights does.
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Post#818 » by Catchall » Thu May 4, 2017 9:51 pm

Really curious to see where Diallo and Frank Jackson go, assuming they both stay in the draft.
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#819 » by BoyzNTheHood » Thu May 4, 2017 9:52 pm

Justin Jackson from Maryland.

7'3" wingspan. Versatile. Can shoot it.
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Post#820 » by Mirotic12 » Thu May 4, 2017 10:30 pm

Catchall wrote:Kurucs looks like the wing version of Dario Saric, in terms of skill set. He's an adequate, even slightly plus athlete who seems like he can do just about everything at 6'8". Not sure about his defense, and he's not explosive, but he looks like a guy who can create from the top of the circle a bit like a Mike Dunleavy. He should be a decent rotation player.


Kurucs is bigger than 6-8 I think. He looks bigger than that by the eye. He's a totally different kind of player from Hezonja though.

I'm going with Sasha Vezenkov for a sleeper. 2 years ago NBA was real hot on him, which was strange, because he was very obviously 2 years from being ready to contribute at any serious team......

But now it is 2 years later, and he is ready to contribute, and then now that he is, no NBA interest at all in him. Strange how NBA operates. But, he should be a definite sleeper. If Bertans can play in the Spurs, then for sure Vezenkov is a sleeper.

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