This offseason

[Packers+NetsWIN]

I still think you guys are overestimating the ability to find a replacement. If we dont get Patton, which I dont think we will, our starting center this year is not going to be found in this draft. And I don't see any free agent defensive centers worthy of a starting position that we actually have a shot at

you are operating under the impression we need to replace lopez... like get a high volume high impact player there. while thats ideal i dont think its at all necessary. give me a low salary big who can trap and switch and is versatile defensively and im good. whether its a 1 year stop gap or young big of the future. either way we can install the modern system and our young guys can get used to rotations and build chemistry, there are also alot more bigs then just patton.

also "worthy of a stating position" is thinkg about it wrong.... whitehead wasnt worthy of starting... nor was diwiddie, nor was levert, nor was RHJ. but we gave them those minutes and roles and they really improved a ton. now rhj and levert look like starters and whitehead and dinwiddie good for big minutes.

but i mean we were a 20 win team year 1 into a long rebuid... the urgency to replace anyone right away just isnt there. if we move on from lopez the short and longterm options are limitless. whats important is the foundation and being able to get these guys playing a modern team system on defense and go from there.

No, I am not,under the impression we need to outright replace lopez. But we will need to place him as our main scoring option. And I dont,mean like you say when a rookie center gets 6 points and revert ups his average by 3 points. We need one guy who can score when we a need bucket and are in a slump and open up the rest of the offense for everyone else. Now I am not saying lopez is the end all here, but he is the best option we have now and will be for the next 2-3 years minimum if we keep him. No Kds, Westbrook, griffin, haywards, etc. Are coming here for a while. Frankly without Atkinson we would not have even gotten lin so no pipedreams

I think both rhj and levert are starting quality pieces and I advocated for starting rhj the whole season. Dwinndle and whitehead only started games because of trades and injuries and thags why neither of them will be starting next year.

[Prokorov]

No, I am not,under the impression we need to outright replace lopez. But we will need to place him as our main scoring option. And I dont,mean like you say when a rookie center gets 6 points and revert ups his average by 3 points. We need one guy who can score when we a need bucket and are in a slump and open up the rest of the offense for everyone else.

I dont think we do. especially where we are so early in a rebuild... and in fact having the load balanced equally over 7 or 8 guys helps with that team motion concept. and i you DO think we need that guy... super easy to find someone to get you 15 or so a game whether its a long term replacment or 1 year stop gap.

i dont think we will ever "need" a bucket next year, in a developmental season where wins wont be a huge deal

Now I am not saying lopez is the end all here, but he is the best option we have now and will be for the next 2-3 years minimum if we keep him. No Kds, Westbrook, griffin, haywards, etc. Are coming here for a while. Frankly without Atkinson we would not have even gotten lin so no pipedreams

you dont need those guys. a tyreke evans can give you scoring in the mid to high teens or someone like that. again it wouldnt be replacing a scoring champion... basically you'd be tradnig off center scoring for PG scoring

we got 25 ppg from brook/foye last year. we would need 25 ppg from our new center and new SG. thats 12.5 ppg each on average. not really huge output to replace,

Like take on tyson chandler in a salary dump trade draft a big and bring in a wing on short money like reddick/evans/gay/tucker and youve got your 25 points. there.

[Packers+NetsWIN]

No, I am not,under the impression we need to outright replace lopez. But we will need to place him as our main scoring option. And I dont,mean like you say when a rookie center gets 6 points and revert ups his average by 3 points. We need one guy who can score when we a need bucket and are in a slump and open up the rest of the offense for everyone else.

I dont think we do. especially where we are so early in a rebuild... and in fact having the load balanced equally over 7 or 8 guys helps with that team motion concept. and i you DO think we need that guy... super easy to find someone to get you 15 or so a game whether its a long term replacment or 1 year stop gap.

i dont think we will ever "need" a bucket next year, in a developmental season where wins wont be a huge deal

Now I am not saying lopez is the end all here, but he is the best option we have now and will be for the next 2-3 years minimum if we keep him. No Kds, Westbrook, griffin, haywards, etc. Are coming here for a while. Frankly without Atkinson we would not have even gotten lin so no pipedreams

you dont need those guys. a tyreke evans can give you scoring in the mid to high teens or someone like that. again it wouldnt be replacing a scoring champion... basically you'd be tradnig off center scoring for PG scoring

we got 25 ppg from brook/foye last year. we would need 25 ppg from our new center and new SG. thats 12.5 ppg each on average. not really huge output to replace,

Like take on tyson chandler in a salary dump trade draft a big and bring in a wing on short money like reddick/evans/gay/tucker and youve got your 25 points. there.

I don't think its fair to lump lopez in with foye when lopez scored 20 of those 25 points per game. Foye was just a one year stop gap to provide mentorship. He was brought in to be the starting. So what you really want is lopez and bog's ppg this season. That would be the fair and right way to do it

[Prokorov]

I don't think its fair to lump lopez in with foye when lopez scored 20 of those 25 points per game. Foye was just a one year stop gap to provide mentorship. He was brought in to be the starting. So what you really want is lopez and bog's ppg this season. That would be the fair and right way to do it

of course its fair because you are taking lopez money and reinvesting that money at foyes position (SG). instead of spending 22 million on a center and going with an inexpesive SG we can go with a rookie scale or low price center and invest the big salary at SG. its redistribution into a scoring wing.

if you want to say bogs and brook it makes the case even easier. since you would go from the worst defense in the NBA to a monumental upgrade to where the offense doesnt matter anymore. look at how much better we got on D just replacing bogs. upgrade brook on top of that and your talking 20-25 spots better on defense.

anyway you shake up... the scoring is the easiest thing ever to replace. its 20 points. nothing special.

[MrDollarBills]

Prok, I think you're overestimating what we can do via free agency. I don't think guys will come yet even with the positive things being said around the league about management. It may take another summer, or even two, before we can think that we're going to land veteran guys of a certain tier. Just like last summer, we may have to temper expectations.

I think any signings we make will be, as Marks put it, "singles" and maybe a double if we're looking. No home runs, no triples. I expect any RFA offer sheets to be matched, and the unrestricteds who would really move the needle for us are probably going to win now situations. Another year of Lopez is probably a foregone conclusion.

I'm not sure where you get "overestimating from" as ive pretty much said i dont expect much(and actually hope we dont throw big money around at some of these guys). I think Reddick would be the biggest name we would get or otherwise maybe teodesic but who knows on him. I think Hill/Milsap are like less then a 5% chance.

I think we either sign reddick or end up giving 1+1 overpays to someone like tyreke evans or PJ tucker.

I think if they move on from lopez then its a high chance we do sign ilyasova or mirotic who i think are more realistic.

I dont even mind a year of lopez as long as we also bring in a center of the future type....if we can do something like draft a young center and move lopez to a greg monroe type bench role 1/2 to 2/3 through the season that would be ideal especially if we can then trade lopez at the deadline.

Frankly, the chances of getting Shabazz Muhammad or Tim Hardaway Jr are higher than JJ Reddick coming here. Reddick will want to play for a team that can win games.

PJ Tucker seems like he would be the same, but then again for a 1+1 overpay, I think he's more realistic.

Yeah we need to basically do what the Bucks are doing. Draft a defender/rebounder/finisher at C and let the transition begin. If a deal is out there to trade Lopez for a late 1st at the deadline. Although frankly, it would not shock me if the Nets don't move him if the deal isn't there. I don't think Marks will take back any locked in salary in a deal for him unless its a prospect.

[Packers+NetsWIN]

I don't think its fair to lump lopez in with foye when lopez scored 20 of those 25 points per game. Foye was just a one year stop gap to provide mentorship. He was brought in to be the starting. So what you really want is lopez and bog's ppg this season. That would be the fair and right way to do it

of course its fair because you are taking lopez money and reinvesting that money at foyes position (SG). instead of spending 22 million on a center and going with an inexpesive SG we can go with a rookie scale or low price center and invest the big salary at SG. its redistribution into a scoring wing.

if you want to say bogs and brook it makes the case even easier. since you would go from the worst defense in the NBA to a monumental upgrade to where the offense doesnt matter anymore. look at how much better we got on D just replacing bogs. upgrade brook on top of that and your talking 20-25 spots better on defense.

anyway you shake up... the scoring is the easiest thing ever to replace. its 20 points. nothing special.

Only 31 players who scored over 20 points a game this season. One per team and brook was ours. Don't see any replacements in FA our the draft that can do that for us so they don't grow on trees

[Prokorov]

Frankly, the chances of getting Shabazz Muhammad or Tim Hardaway Jr are higher than JJ Reddick coming here. Reddick will want to play for a team that can win games.

I think reddick is the most likely free agent of anyone who would make more then 10 million. home in brooklyn. ties to the area. has spoke super highly of the nets whenever the clippers are in town. and few teams have the money to pay him like we would. not saying ita a lock or likely but more likely then anyone else who would cost real money imo.

PJ Tucker seems like he would be the same, but then again for a 1+1 overpay, I think he's more realistic.

yeah im sure tucker wants to win but im sure he also want to get paid twice what he is worth for a 1 year for a guy who has never been paid big and who is later in his career

Yeah we need to basically do what the Bucks are doing. Draft a defender/rebounder/finisher at C and let the transition begin. If a deal is out there to trade Lopez for a late 1st at the deadline. Although frankly, it would not shock me if the Nets don't move him if the deal isn't there. I don't think Marks will take back any locked in salary in a deal for him unless its a prospect.

hard to say. marks was really low on opez coming in and isnt shy abuot it but says its different now that lopez shoots the 3 but still woudlnt committ to him. i dont think he will extend him. trading him not sure... i feel like unless its really peanuts losing him for nothing seems like a bad idea. especially when we arent a win now team.

i think at the deadline he probably takes what he can get but agree at the draft he probably only does it for a first rounder pick

[MrDollarBills]

I'm just saying we can trade Lopez for the highest pick available in order for the team to have 3 picks in 10-15, 17, and 22. I doesn't necessarily need to be Sacramento. It's is going to be for the highest bidder.

We can also get OG. Instead of Kurucs or Mitchell. The flexibility and the many good option of this draft is key for getting as much potential assets for the future.

I do agree tho that if we trade Brook for a rook, that it will take a big hit in the win/lost department.

No one is trading picks for Lopez that are within striking range of picks 1-16. They'd be insane to do so.

I disagree Charlotte is trying to win now I think their pick for Brook and maybe both the nets picks does it

If Michael Jordan trades a lottery pick for Brook Lopez he needs to be drug tested. That's Billy King epic level lunacy

[Prokorov]

yeah you cant trade a lotto pick for lopez.... i mean thats basically:

29 year old lopez making 22 million as a rental instead of a 19 year old jarrett allen on a rookie contract for 3 seasons

[Paradise]

Sean Marks on Nets Magazine:

“I think we know the 3 position for us is certainly one that needs to addressed. I look at it too that we have some free agents of our own who we need to know what’s going to happen with them there first."

Again, where we are in our life cycle its not where we can say, 'we're only missing this.' To be honest, we need to look at everybody. We're looking at the best players available. That's coming through the draft, that's coming through free agency.”

At another point, the GM was clear that the Nets “don't want to get into a revolving door because there's something to be said for the continuity of the team chemistry as well. But I think we to be as well, as I said before, strategic.”

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[jbeachboy]

i think we need to move on from lopez. i dont see him being defensive anchor and rebounder we need. he is basically a 7 foot 3 point shooter making 21 million a year.

[Curns13]

Sean Marks on Nets Magazine:

“I think we know the 3 position for us is certainly one that needs to addressed. I look at it too that we have some free agents of our own who we need to know what’s going to happen with them there first."

Again, where we are in our life cycle its not where we can say, 'we're only missing this.' To be honest, we need to look at everybody. We're looking at the best players available. That's coming through the draft, that's coming through free agency.”

At another point, the GM was clear that the Nets “don't want to get into a revolving door because there's something to be said for the continuity of the team chemistry as well. But I think we to be as well, as I said before, strategic.”

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Personally, I think this is big news. Even though the 2-4 would ideally be almost positionless wings, I'm very happy that Markinson see LeVert as a 2. At 6'7 and with long arms, a deceptively quick (long) first step and ball handling capabilities, the 2 is where I think he can most use his size to his advantage. If we can bring in/develop another 6'7/6'8 small forward then his attacks at the rim, post ups and just general shooting over small opponents will be a huge advantage.

[hood30]

Hill vs Paul game 3......Hill is more of a shooting guard...great shooter but does not create much for his teammates.

Watch on YouTube

[Vae Victus]

BroLo aint going nowhere unless it's for a bad contract C (Mozgov, Noah, MPlumlee) + pick. No team is gonna bother trading an expiring + 1st for him. For all the flaws that Prok and company blast him for, other GMs will know as well. Also i dunno if Markinson will be comfortable drafting a late C prospect and throwing him into the fire so suddenly.

If Marks isnt willing to eat a bad deal for picks, then might as well just let BroLo expire and see what his open market price is. If its low enough, then resign him, if not then bid him adieu. I still feel he's basically a glorified Al Jeff, who's best role is off the bench.

Heck if Marks really wants to save money he's not gonna bother with the RFAs and other top flight FAs. I think he'd rather trawl the trade market and find deals on players who's stock is down. Thing is, if they roll it over to next season and lettin BroLo and Lin go if they want too much money.... then they properly rebuild now with their pick destiny secured?

[Prokorov]

Sean Marks on Nets Magazine:

“I think we know the 3 position for us is certainly one that needs to addressed. I look at it too that we have some free agents of our own who we need to know what’s going to happen with them there first."

Again, where we are in our life cycle its not where we can say, 'we're only missing this.' To be honest, we need to look at everybody. We're looking at the best players available. That's coming through the draft, that's coming through free agency.”

At another point, the GM was clear that the Nets “don't want to get into a revolving door because there's something to be said for the continuity of the team chemistry as well. But I think we to be as well, as I said before, strategic.”

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Personally, I think this is big news. Even though the 2-4 would ideally be almost positionless wings, I'm very happy that Markinson see LeVert as a 2. At 6'7 and with long arms, a deceptively quick (long) first step and ball handling capabilities, the 2 is where I think he can most use his size to his advantage. If we can bring in/develop another 6'7/6'8 small forward then his attacks at the rim, post ups and just general shooting over small opponents will be a huge advantage.

I think you are reading into it a bit... the nets are a modern team looking to be position less where your guards and forwards can play multiple spots... i think its clear foye wont be back and we will be looking to replace his starting spot.

i think the more tealling part is "To be honest, we need to look at everybody... were looking at the best players available through draft/FA". he realizes our biggest issue is talent and that even our best players can be upgraded.

another thing, all markinson is talked about is multiple ball handlers... so i could see lin, levert, and another combo gaurd

[Prokorov]

Hill vs Paul game 3......Hill is more of a shooting guard...great shooter but does not create much for his teammates.

Watch on YouTube

He is a modern gaurd... a guy you can play on and off the ball and who can gaurd the 1/2/3 spots. he may not rack up assists but he does create a ton for his teammates by spacing the floor, not needing the ball in his hand an always making the right plays.... in these motion offenses, assists are secondary since the ball usually swings 3 or 4 times before a shot is up.

Hill is perfect for the motion offense where you ideally want multiple ball handlers and not necessarily a throwback 10 assist type player...

[Prokorov]

BroLo aint going nowhere unless it's for a bad contract C (Mozgov, Noah, MPlumlee) + pick. No team is gonna bother trading an expiring + 1st for him. For all the flaws that Prok and company blast him for, other GMs will know as well. Also i dunno if Markinson will be comfortable drafting a late C prospect and throwing him into the fire so suddenly.

Thats why he hasnt been traded so far... and im fine letting him walk as a FA but if there is a deal to be had where we get a pick and take back say only 8-10 million in salary we need to strongly consider that.

I see no reason why marks woudlnt be ok throwing a rookie first round center in consider we threw a second round PG in, an undrafted PG in, dleague players in, etc... its still not about wins, but development at this point. and getting these young guys big meaningful minutes as we saw last year goes a lng way

If Marks isnt willing to eat a bad deal for picks, then might as well just let BroLo expire and see what his open market price is. If its low enough, then resign him, if not then bid him adieu. I still feel he's basically a glorified Al Jeff, who's best role is off the bench.

yeah for 12-14 million off the bench as a greg monroe player for 22ish minutes(more if he has it going) that would be ideal. but no chance someone doesnt give him 25 million. thats the going rate and some GM is going to want to make a big splash if he is on the hotseat or needs to try and keep someone around.

[shakendfries]

Hill vs Paul game 3......Hill is more of a shooting guard...great shooter but does not create much for his teammates.

Watch on YouTube

He is a modern gaurd... a guy you can play on and off the ball and who can gaurd the 1/2/3 spots. he may not rack up assists but he does create a ton for his teammates by spacing the floor, not needing the ball in his hand an always making the right plays.... in these motion offenses, assists are secondary since the ball usually swings 3 or 4 times before a shot is up.

Hill is perfect for the motion offense where you ideally want multiple ball handlers and not necessarily a throwback 10 assist type player...

The Jazz will make the second round of the playoffs this year and there's no way in hell they'll let the Nets swoop their best guard. George Hill will suit up in Salt Lake next season


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[Prokorov]

Hill vs Paul game 3......Hill is more of a shooting guard...great shooter but does not create much for his teammates.

Watch on YouTube

He is a modern gaurd... a guy you can play on and off the ball and who can gaurd the 1/2/3 spots. he may not rack up assists but he does create a ton for his teammates by spacing the floor, not needing the ball in his hand an always making the right plays.... in these motion offenses, assists are secondary since the ball usually swings 3 or 4 times before a shot is up.

Hill is perfect for the motion offense where you ideally want multiple ball handlers and not necessarily a throwback 10 assist type player...

The Jazz will make the second round of the playoffs this year and there's no way in hell they'll let the Nets swoop their best guard. George Hill will suit up in Salt Lake next season


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Hill turned down a 25 million per year extension. for the jazz to keep him they would need to give him 5/150. i dont now that the jazz are giving him 30 million a year but who knows. they also need to pay heyward who will likely command the max.

[jbeachboy]

why the heck did george hill turn that down, thats crazy.