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Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: WCQF: P2 | (3) Houston Rockets vs Oklahoma City Thunder (6) | HOU 2-1 

Post#41 » by K_chile22 » Sun Apr 23, 2017 4:35 pm

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Best2EverDoIt wrote:I think its funny that you just assume the Rockets are going to win this series. Houston could easily be down 2-1 right now. The Thunder controlled games 2 and 3 until the 4th qtr. I don't see why you're optimistic that the Rockets are just going to turn it on at any moment. The Thunder are a superior defensive team. All they have to do is lock down the perimiter and rebound.

The Thunder won, and were winning game 2, by out shooting the Rockets. Ryan Anderson and Ariza are 2-25 and Roberson is 6-12. Outside of Harden, it's gone about as poorly as it could for the Rockets the past two games, and they won by 4 and lost by 2. Maybe the Thunder will continue to shoot the Rockets out of games, but I doubt it


The Thunder shot 41 % from the field in Game 2 and had nobody else besides Westbrook scoring more than 12 points. The only guys in double digits were Roberson (12), Dipo (11) and DMD (11). Meanwhile the Rockets got huge games by both Gordon and Williams off the bench and James Harden shot 20 FTA. The Rockets shot 48 % from the field and 38 % from 3 in that game. I think you can hardly call that 'about as poorly as it could'.

And then there's game 3. Yes, the Thunder supporting cast outperformed their normal level for the most part. But the Rockets didn't exactly **** the bed either scoring 113 points and getting good to very good games from Anderson, Williams, Gordon and Harden. Sure, they didn't hit their 3s all that well, but that's the Rockets way tho, isn't it? Shooting many 3s while having a high variance on them. I mean they're 24th in 3P% since 1/1, just two spots better than the Thunder over the same stretch. It happens. They could shoot 35 and make 21 today.

Finally I would like to point out the adjustments the Thunder made after Game 1. We started covering the PnR much, much better. We stopped turning the ball over (11 tov total). We rebounded much better (winning the 2nd chance points battle every game). We've taken the fast break away for the Rockets (11 fast break points total).

The Thunder have had the lead over the last two games for roughly 7 out of 8 quarters. I don't think that's just a coincidence. They adjusted and played their hearts out. Now it might not be enough to advance, but at least they're fighting and got better after getting their asses handed to them.


The Thunder were shooting much better before that chuck fest and when the Rockets got hot toward the end of the third, finally made a couple 3s to cut it to 3, that's why I said that's why they Were winning in game 2,once they stopped hitting and the Rockets started, they jumped out to a ten point lead with like a minute to go
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Post#42 » by Pillendreher » Sun Apr 23, 2017 4:41 pm

K_chile22 wrote:The Thunder were shooting much better before that chuck fest and when the Rockets got hot in the fourth, that's why I said that's why they Were winning in game 2,once they stopped hitting and the Rockets started, they jumped out to a ten point lead with like a minute to go


I've already posted this: The shooting was even between the teams after 3 quarters!

http://stats.nba.com/game/#!/0041600162/advanced/?StartRange=0&EndRange=21600&RangeType=2&sort=EFG_PCT&dir=1

52.2 eFG% for the Thunder compared to 53.4 % for the Rockets. It's a myth that the Thunder were shooting out of their minds in Game 2 and that once they cooled down, the Rockets won easily. The problem was the bench imploding and Russ as well.

EDIT: And even before Russ sat down, the difference was not that huge. 54.0 eFG% compared to 47.2 eFG%. You make it sound like the Rockets were in the low 30s from the field and the Thunder were out there breaking shooting records.

53.7 eFG% and 111.3 ORtG for the Rockets over the past two games is right on par with their regular season performance. And that's despite very good Thunder defense these past two games mind you.
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Post#43 » by K_chile22 » Sun Apr 23, 2017 4:49 pm

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K_chile22 wrote:The Thunder were shooting much better before that chuck fest and when the Rockets got hot in the fourth, that's why I said that's why they Were winning in game 2,once they stopped hitting and the Rockets started, they jumped out to a ten point lead with like a minute to go


I've already posted this: The shooting was even between the teams after 3 quarters!

http://stats.nba.com/game/#!/0041600162/advanced/?StartRange=0&EndRange=21600&RangeType=2&sort=EFG_PCT&dir=1

52.2 eFG% for the Thunder compared to 53.4 % for the Rockets. It's a myth that the Thunder were shooting out of their minds in Game 2 and that once they cooled down, the Rockets won easily. The problem was the bench imploding and Russ as well.

EDIT: And even before Russ sat down, the difference was not that huge. 54.0 eFG% compared to 47.2 eFG%. You make it sound like the Rockets were in the low 30s from the field and the Thunder out there breaking shooting records.

Mostly because of the 9-0 run to end the quarter, I belive all 9 were threes, but I may be wrong
7% EFG is pretty god damn big lol

The Thunder shot 4% better than they usually do, and the Rockets shot over 7% worse than they usually do. 11% swing! That's pretty bad!
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Post#44 » by Pillendreher » Sun Apr 23, 2017 5:20 pm

K_chile22 wrote:The Thunder shot 4% better than they usually do, and the Rockets shot over 7% worse than they usually do. 11% swing! That's pretty bad!


That's variance for you in the Playoffs. It happens. Especially when one team is close to being elite defensively, while the other one is close to being bad.

That's just the way it goes sometimes. One game does not make a series. Dipo might have his breakout game tonight, but Gibson might finish 1-8 or whatever. Things change very quickly over a 7 game series.

And it's like phanman said: You guys did get good performances out of your guys. It's just not common that it happens for everybody on the floor at the same time.
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Post#45 » by Patches Perry » Sun Apr 23, 2017 5:41 pm

Beverley fined 25K for confronting fan. Glad no suspensions.
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Post#46 » by HotTubMike » Sun Apr 23, 2017 6:15 pm

Patches Perry wrote:Beverley fined 25K for confronting fan. Glad no suspensions.


Providing no context is kinda disingenuous.

Posting like this makes solely Bev look bad when in reality you know it was the dirtbag fan (owners spoiled son who apparently most OKC fans have a bad opinion of) who is the bad guy.

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Post#47 » by K_chile22 » Sun Apr 23, 2017 6:24 pm

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Patches Perry wrote:Beverley fined 25K for confronting fan. Glad no suspensions.


Providing no context is kinda disingenuous.

Posting like this makes solely Bev look bad when in reality you know it was the dirtbag fan (owners spoiled son who apparently most OKC fans have a bad opinion of) who is the bad guy.

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It's not easy to get under Bevs skin. Wonder what he said.
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Post#48 » by K_chile22 » Sun Apr 23, 2017 6:27 pm

Patches Perry wrote:Beverley fined 25K for confronting fan. Glad no suspensions.

Beverley said fine was excessive and the nba needs to protect players if they don't want them to stand up for themselves. Has a point to a degree, but going up to him afterwards wasnt the smarter move
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Post#49 » by K_chile22 » Sun Apr 23, 2017 6:28 pm

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Post#50 » by Patches Perry » Sun Apr 23, 2017 7:24 pm

HotTubMike wrote:
Patches Perry wrote:Beverley fined 25K for confronting fan. Glad no suspensions.


Providing no context is kinda disingenuous.

Posting like this makes solely Bev look bad when in reality you know it was the dirtbag fan (owners spoiled son who apparently most OKC fans have a bad opinion of) who is the bad guy.

https://streamable.com/1wv9f

Seems like a real classy dude


I agree the fan was likely out of line, but the league should not tolerate players approaching fans. That's just an absolute can't-do. I mean, a fan threw a drink at Artest before Artest went after him. Unfortunately, the league relies on players to be the bigger man. Part of the big paycheck is dealing with harassment as well as praise.

I support the fan being reprimanded also by whoever has that authority. Both parties were wrong.
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Post#51 » by HotTubMike » Sun Apr 23, 2017 7:27 pm

Patches Perry wrote:
HotTubMike wrote:
Patches Perry wrote:Beverley fined 25K for confronting fan. Glad no suspensions.


Providing no context is kinda disingenuous.

Posting like this makes solely Bev look bad when in reality you know it was the dirtbag fan (owners spoiled son who apparently most OKC fans have a bad opinion of) who is the bad guy.

https://streamable.com/1wv9f

Seems like a real classy dude


I agree the fan was likely out of line, but the league should not tolerate players approaching fans. That's just an absolute can't-do. I mean, a fan threw a drink at Artest before Artest went after him. Unfortunately, the league relies on players to be the bigger man. Part of the big paycheck is dealing with harassment as well as praise.

I support the fan being reprimanded also by whoever has that authority. Both parties were wrong.


Bev should not have confronted him after the game but fans also need to be held accountable. That dude should be banned. If you are making Bev react like that, a dude who has played hundreds of NBA games and heard it from lots of fans, you know he said something messed up that should 100% not be tolerated. NBA game attendance is a privilege and if you abuse it you should get the door and depending on what was said... permanently.
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Post#52 » by K_chile22 » Sun Apr 23, 2017 7:32 pm

HotTubMike wrote:
Patches Perry wrote:
HotTubMike wrote:
Providing no context is kinda disingenuous.

Posting like this makes solely Bev look bad when in reality you know it was the dirtbag fan (owners spoiled son who apparently most OKC fans have a bad opinion of) who is the bad guy.

https://streamable.com/1wv9f

Seems like a real classy dude


I agree the fan was likely out of line, but the league should not tolerate players approaching fans. That's just an absolute can't-do. I mean, a fan threw a drink at Artest before Artest went after him. Unfortunately, the league relies on players to be the bigger man. Part of the big paycheck is dealing with harassment as well as praise.

I support the fan being reprimanded also by whoever has that authority. Both parties were wrong.


Bev should not have confronted him after the game but fans also need to be held accountable. That dude should be banned. If you are making Bev react like that, a dude who has played hundreds of NBA games and heard it from lots of fans, you know he said something messed up that should 100% not be tolerated. NBA game attendance is a privilege and if you abuse it you should get the door and depending on what was said... permanently.

That seems excessive lol but the NBA absolutely should not tolerate fans treating players like circus animals. The fan not even being told anything by security is an issue, and because of that, fining Beverley so much is a bit ridiculous. If that fan does something like that again it should be a boot from the game
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Post#53 » by Patches Perry » Sun Apr 23, 2017 7:34 pm

HotTubMike wrote:
Patches Perry wrote:
HotTubMike wrote:
Providing no context is kinda disingenuous.

Posting like this makes solely Bev look bad when in reality you know it was the dirtbag fan (owners spoiled son who apparently most OKC fans have a bad opinion of) who is the bad guy.

https://streamable.com/1wv9f

Seems like a real classy dude


I agree the fan was likely out of line, but the league should not tolerate players approaching fans. That's just an absolute can't-do. I mean, a fan threw a drink at Artest before Artest went after him. Unfortunately, the league relies on players to be the bigger man. Part of the big paycheck is dealing with harassment as well as praise.

I support the fan being reprimanded also by whoever has that authority. Both parties were wrong.


Bev should not have confronted him after the game but fans also need to be held accountable. That dude should be banned. If you are making Bev react like that, a dude who has played hundreds of NBA games and heard it from lots of fans, you know he said something messed up that should 100% not be tolerated. NBA game attendance is a privilege and if you abuse it you should get the door and depending on what was said... permanently.


I agree. If the league has proof/audio that the fan threatened Beverley or said something racial, or things of that nature, then absolutely ban him.
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Post#54 » by K_chile22 » Sun Apr 23, 2017 7:41 pm

Trevor Ariza's first 3 of the series!
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Post#55 » by Froob » Sun Apr 23, 2017 7:41 pm

Why did they white out the arena if they were going to wear orange lol?
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Post#56 » by K_chile22 » Sun Apr 23, 2017 7:43 pm

Breen really just call Ariza one of the best shooters in the league? lol
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Post#57 » by K_chile22 » Sun Apr 23, 2017 7:44 pm

Ryno passing up 3s is more damaging than missing them
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Post#58 » by smileyforall220 » Sun Apr 23, 2017 7:45 pm

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Post#59 » by K_chile22 » Sun Apr 23, 2017 7:45 pm

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