Trade Post-Mortem 2017: Eight is Enough

[bucknersrevenge]

Would people give the Brooklyn 2018 & Brown for a re-signed PG13? Then we draft Fultz?

Well you wouldn't have to resign PG yet. He still has another year left on his deal, technically 2 but he will certainly opt out of his option year. If we end up with the #1 pick to take Fultz, I have to think he's the valued prize in this draft. Whether or not we can get Larry to accept the BKN 18 instead of 17 remains to be seen. I don't think Danny bats an eyelash about giving the pick up for anyone but Fultz.

[KumaJG]

This summer we need to trade Jae for Melo.

[chrisab123]

When the Celtics miss out on the #1 pick again (you know they aren't getting the #1 ever) per usual the team will have to make a decision of either Josh Jackson or a trade. If they can secure Hayward then I'm assuming that they will keep the pick.

If not I still think the team keeps the pick but targets Melo as a small ball 4.

[Darth Celtic]

When the Celtics miss out on the #1 pick again (you know they aren't getting the #1 ever) per usual the team will have to make a decision of either Josh Jackson or a trade. If they can secure Hayward then I'm assuming that they will keep the pick.

If not I still think the team keeps the pick but targets Melo as a small ball 4.

IF we completely strike out completely in free agency, I'm ok with Melo and 2020 top 10 protected first, top 5 in 2021, top 3 in 2022, unprotected in 2023 for Crowder and the Min second round pick in 2017.

Phil gets red of him and we upgrade the 4 with melo and start brown or draft Jackson for the 3.

[bucknersrevenge]

When the Celtics miss out on the #1 pick again (you know they aren't getting the #1 ever) per usual the team will have to make a decision of either Josh Jackson or a trade. If they can secure Hayward then I'm assuming that they will keep the pick.

If not I still think the team keeps the pick but targets Melo as a small ball 4.

IF we completely strike out completely in free agency, I'm ok with Melo and 2020 top 10 protected first, top 5 in 2021, top 3 in 2022, unprotected in 2023 for Crowder and the Min second round pick in 2017.

Phil gets red of him and we upgrade the 4 with melo and start brown or draft Jackson for the 3.

We won't strike out in the trade market even if we strike out in free agency. This is a non starter. I'm not helping Phil Jackson out. I wanna watch them burn again next season and see if KP starts to force his way out. They're already talking about resigning Rose. Do you really think that team is gonna get any better next season??

[Wes-J]

Sooooooo.......you can't name one? Or you're waiting?

And who said ANYTHING about a "collection" of these types. So Paul George is one of "these types" now?? Wes, I don't think we're communicating on the same wavelength here.

Wow, ok, didn't think I needed to actually name guys like Crowder, Smart, AB, Horford etc. J.Green is not gonna get us over the hump. Ainge is not working his ass off tirelessly, planning, scouting etc. for a guy like Green in FA. Not happening. Time to consolidate the treasure chest. I love these guys but let's face it, they're all expendable.

I'm sorry, when did any of those guys save Horford become 6'9? Average 7 rebs in under 28mpg. This is a plug n play 4. And again, when did PAUL GEORGE become part of this "collection of types" you speak of?

Not talking about a specific skill set we need. I'm saying in general we aren't in the market for Green type guys. Ainge didn't make such moves, he's waiting for something else.

[Homerclease]

Would people give the Brooklyn 2018 & Brown for a re-signed PG13? Then we draft Fultz?

Not sure if that works cap wise

[chrisab123]

When the Celtics miss out on the #1 pick again (you know they aren't getting the #1 ever) per usual the team will have to make a decision of either Josh Jackson or a trade. If they can secure Hayward then I'm assuming that they will keep the pick.

If not I still think the team keeps the pick but targets Melo as a small ball 4.

IF we completely strike out completely in free agency, I'm ok with Melo and 2020 top 10 protected first, top 5 in 2021, top 3 in 2022, unprotected in 2023 for Crowder and the Min second round pick in 2017.

Phil gets red of him and we upgrade the 4 with melo and start brown or draft Jackson for the 3.

We won't strike out in the trade market even if we strike out in free agency. This is a non starter. I'm not helping Phil Jackson out. I wanna watch them burn again next season and see if KP starts to force his way out. They're already talking about resigning Rose. Do you really think that team is gonna get any better next season??

Melo on this team is a lot different than Melo in NY. He would be going to a team where he wouldn't be "the man". It would also be at a cheap price. Again it's a non starter until FA shakes out but if the coaching staff wanted him then it's going to resurface at some point in the offseason. The two biggest needs are rebounding and scoring. Melo has one in spades.

[klemen4]

Now if we go after Butler or George trade... to still have max salary we have to trade :

For Butler:

30,3 MAX SALARY for Griffin or Hayward (If salary cap is at 101 mill)
27,7 Horford
18,7 Butler
6,8 Crowder
6,2 IT
5 Brown
2 Rozier
1,6 Zizic
0,6 Jackson guarantee if waived
3,2 4 empty roster spots
----------
102,1

For George:

30,3 MAX SALARY for Griffin or Hayward
27,7 Horford
19,3 George
6,8 Crowder
6,2 IT
5 Brown
2 Rozier
1,6 Zizic
0,6 Jackson guarantee if waived
3,2 4 empty roster spots
----------
102,7

So who has to go:
- BRK pick
- Bradley
- Smart

Or instead of Smart:
- Brown or
- Crowder

If the trade is Brooklyn pick, AB and Smart we would need salary cap to be at 102 to be able to keep Rozier.

The best case future team imo would be:

it/rozier
butler
crowder/brown
griffin
horford/zizic

[Homerclease]

Now if we go after Butler or George trade... to still have max salary we have to trade :

For Butler:

30,3 MAX SALARY for Griffin or Hayward (If salary cap is at 101 mill)
27,7 Horford
18,7 Butler
6,8 Crowder
6,2 IT
5 Brown
2 Rozier
1,6 Zizic
0,6 Jackson guarantee if waived
3,2 4 empty roster spots
----------
102,1

For George:

30,3 MAX SALARY for Griffin or Hayward
27,7 Horford
19,3 George
6,8 Crowder
6,2 IT
5 Brown
2 Rozier
1,6 Zizic
0,6 Jackson guarantee if waived
3,2 4 empty roster spots
----------
102,7

So who has to go:
- BRK pick
- Bradley
- Smart

Or instead of Smart:
- Brown or
- Crowder

If the trade is Brooklyn pick, AB and Smart we would need salary cap to be at 102 to be able to keep Rozier.

The best case future team imo would be:

it/rozier
butler
crowder/brown
griffin
horford/zizic

The ideal trade for me is Crowder and Bradley + the nets pick. Allows us to hang onto Brown and Smart to extend our window and keeps space open to toss the max at Hayward. You go from Bradley and Crowder as your starters to George and Hayward at the cost of your nets pick and money. Brown, Smart and Rozier are your primary backups and you can add some guys for the vet min to shore up the front court

[klemen4]

I would keep Crowder over Smart because of his contract and being able to play sf/pf and because Rozier can replace smart and has one more year on rookie deal than Smart.

rozier, brown, zizic, brk 18 and Yabu(signed in 18)...is amazing young nucleous.

[Homerclease]

I would keep Crowder over Smart because of his contract and being able to play sf/pf and because Rozier can replace smart and has one more year on rookie deal than Smart.

rozier, brown, zizic, brk 18 and Yabu(signed in 18)...is amazing young nucleous.

If we can keep Jaylen then Indy is going to need someone to replace George's minutes, they would have no use for Smart as they likely draft Fultz or Ball and still have Teague. I like Crowders contract as well but this series has shown that he is more than expendable. Pay the piper and take the next step in this rebuild IMO

[Zaschrona]

We may as well trade for Butler or PG after we sign Hayward or Griffin. If we get 3rd place from the lottery, then leaving Yabusele overseas for one extra year should be enough for us to sign Hayward. Then trading Bradley + 3rd pick is enough to get either PG or Butler.

[Fencer reregistered]

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-trade-rumors-the-paul-george-clock-has-officially-started-for-the-pacers/ argues that:

-- Paul George is likely to be traded.
-- Of the teams that make the most sense as a destination, the Cs are the only ones who could easily offer sufficient assets in return.

It also expresses skepticism that the Cs will ever pull the trigger on a trade, but never mind that part.

One little thing the article cites is

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[Gomes3PC]

I don't understand why everyone thinks PG is a lock to the Lakers. I know he's from LA, but if his btching and moaning showed anything, it's he desperately wants to win.

PG's complaints sound eerily like the ones we heard from Paul Pierce in 2007, just before the KG/RA trades.

At this point, barring some miracle for Indy, he's almost certainly a goner. If I am Ainge, Hayward is my #1 priority, but PG13 is #1B and frankly even if we get Hayward I'd push to acquire PG too.

[Homerclease]

I don't understand why everyone thinks PG is a lock to the Lakers. I know he's from LA, but if his btching and moaning showed anything, it's he desperately wants to win.

PG's complaints sound eerily like the ones we heard from Paul Pierce in 2007, just before the KG/RA trades.

At this point, barring some miracle for Indy, he's almost certainly a goner. If I am Ainge, Hayward is my #1 priority, but PG13 is #1B and frankly even if we get Hayward I'd push to acquire PG too.

I'm fully in this boat as well. I'm willing to go to battle with an IT/George/Hayward combo

[Gomes3PC]

Take those three plus Al and a ring-chaser FA pickup for rebounding like Speights or Z-Bo. That's a real threat.

[bucknersrevenge]

Wow, ok, didn't think I needed to actually name guys like Crowder, Smart, AB, Horford etc. J.Green is not gonna get us over the hump. Ainge is not working his ass off tirelessly, planning, scouting etc. for a guy like Green in FA. Not happening. Time to consolidate the treasure chest. I love these guys but let's face it, they're all expendable.

I'm sorry, when did any of those guys save Horford become 6'9? Average 7 rebs in under 28mpg. This is a plug n play 4. And again, when did PAUL GEORGE become part of this "collection of types" you speak of?

Not talking about a specific skill set we need. I'm saying in general we aren't in the market for Green type guys. Ainge didn't make such moves, he's waiting for something else.

I feel like we're talking past each other so I'm gonna let it go. Danny's in search and then after that, he's going to want to fill in the gaps. There were whispers during the deadline that Green was someone that they were interested in actually. But back then I think it was mostly high-level stuff and they would revisit it during the offseason. But if you don't think George and Green are players that can help us, so be it. I'll let it go now because you ignored my response about Paul George and you say they're looking for something else (not a skillset) but haven't been really clear on what that is.

[Darthlukey]

IF we completely strike out completely in free agency, I'm ok with Melo and 2020 top 10 protected first, top 5 in 2021, top 3 in 2022, unprotected in 2023 for Crowder and the Min second round pick in 2017.

Phil gets red of him and we upgrade the 4 with melo and start brown or draft Jackson for the 3.

We won't strike out in the trade market even if we strike out in free agency. This is a non starter. I'm not helping Phil Jackson out. I wanna watch them burn again next season and see if KP starts to force his way out. They're already talking about resigning Rose. Do you really think that team is gonna get any better next season??

Melo on this team is a lot different than Melo in NY. He would be going to a team where he wouldn't be "the man". It would also be at a cheap price. Again it's a non starter until FA shakes out but if the coaching staff wanted him then it's going to resurface at some point in the offseason. The two biggest needs are rebounding and scoring. Melo has one in spades.

If Melo comes here and is willing to play the 4 for most of his minutes, if he buys in to the team approach somewhat and we become dangerous. Look how much better we have played vs the Bulls with green at the 4 (match ups permitting of course)

[bucknersrevenge]

IF we completely strike out completely in free agency, I'm ok with Melo and 2020 top 10 protected first, top 5 in 2021, top 3 in 2022, unprotected in 2023 for Crowder and the Min second round pick in 2017.

Phil gets red of him and we upgrade the 4 with melo and start brown or draft Jackson for the 3.

We won't strike out in the trade market even if we strike out in free agency. This is a non starter. I'm not helping Phil Jackson out. I wanna watch them burn again next season and see if KP starts to force his way out. They're already talking about resigning Rose. Do you really think that team is gonna get any better next season??

Melo on this team is a lot different than Melo in NY. He would be going to a team where he wouldn't be "the man". It would also be at a cheap price. Again it's a non starter until FA shakes out but if the coaching staff wanted him then it's going to resurface at some point in the offseason. The two biggest needs are rebounding and scoring. Melo has one in spades.

Yeaqh, still not interested in Melo...if they throw in KP, I'd consider it.