What was the greatest NBA Finals we never saw?

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Re: What was the greatest NBA Finals we never saw? 

Post#41 » by Quotatious » Sun Apr 23, 2017 11:10 pm

bigboi wrote:Kobe was on a tear too. Lebron really wasn't that much better than Kobe in the playoffs tbh. The stats look gaudy, but his defense was horrific especially against the Magic

LeBron's defense in '09 playoffs was nowhere near "horrific". Cavs just couldn't guard Magic 3-point shooters as a team, because Dwight was dominating like prime Shaq and Cleveland had a dilemma with no right answer - was it better to let Howard do damage inside, or leave guys like Lewis, Turkoglu, Alston and Pietrus too much space beyond the arc? It was basically "pick your poison".

LeBron had basically neutral defensive on/off court rating in '09 playoffs, by the way.
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Re: What was the greatest NBA Finals we never saw? 

Post#42 » by ardee » Mon Apr 24, 2017 1:04 am

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bigboi wrote:Kobe was on a tear too. Lebron really wasn't that much better than Kobe in the playoffs tbh. The stats look gaudy, but his defense was horrific especially against the Magic

LeBron's defense in '09 playoffs was nowhere near "horrific". Cavs just couldn't guard Magic 3-point shooters as a team, because Dwight was dominating like prime Shaq and Cleveland had a dilemma with no right answer - was it better to let Howard do damage inside, or leave guys like Lewis, Turkoglu, Alston and Pietrus too much space beyond the arc? It was basically "pick your poison".

LeBron had basically neutral defensive on/off court rating in '09 playoffs, by the way.


I would say if LeBron was a 9.5 on the Jordan scale in the 2009 Playoffs then Kobe was an 8.5. Especially in the WCF and Finals, Kobe was absolutely wrecking folks, that was probably a top 3 stretch in his career along with the 2001 WCSF/WCF and 2010 WCSF/WCF.
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Re: What was the greatest NBA Finals we never saw? 

Post#43 » by FullForceMDs » Mon Apr 24, 2017 3:41 am

CumberlandPosey wrote:86 lakers vs celtics
71 knicks vs bucks
06 rematch spurs vs pistons
Superseries for world supremacy nba vs aba champion during 70s best of 7 with deciding game played on neutral court...


The ABA champs vs the NBA champs was addressed in this thread. Please, feel free to break it down as u see it.

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=64&t=1551577
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Re: What was the greatest NBA Finals we never saw? 

Post#44 » by G35 » Mon Apr 24, 2017 4:53 am

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Baski wrote:Lebron vs. Kobe 2009 :nonono:

Would've been epic

Probably would've been an easy win for the Lakers, to be honest. Cavs wouldn't be able to deal with Pau and the Lakers frontline, and they had nobody other than LeBron, to guard Kobe - but of course the Cavs needed LeBron to carry them offensively, so LeBron wouldn't be the primary defender against Kobe, he would have to conserve energy for offense, and I see a 30+ ppg series for Bryant - James would likely be the best player in that series, he was on an absolute tear in 2009 playoffs, unstoppable individually, but it wouldn't be enough to push LA to more than 5 or 6 games - I would pick LA in 5, to be honest). Narrative would be that Kobe outplayed LeBron because their teams had almost the same record in RS, so people would think it was a matchup of two equal teams (and we all know how much people like to think of basketball as a clash of two superstars, and whichever team wins, their superstar is considered to be superior than the superstar who plays on the losing team, regardless of how well both of the superstars play individually, which is very unfortunate - for example, I bet that if the Knicks beat the Rockets in '94 finals, many people would argue Ewing over Olajuwon that year, even though in reality Hakeem easily outplayed Patrick individually, and Ewing's offensive struggles were really bad - Knicks minus Ewing outplayed the Rockets minus Olajuwon, which is why that series was so close - hell, if Starks went 7/18 instead of 2/18 in game 7, NYK would've won that series), but the truth is,those Cavs teams during LeBron's first tenure in Cleveland were built for regular season FAR more than for the playoffs. They were sort of "paper tigers", because they had obvious, exploitable weaknesses. Teams like the Magic and Lakers, who had elite bigs such as prime Howard and Gasol, would have a massive edge over those Cavaliers.

Here's how I see that series going - LeBron and Kobe would both have a great series - James would have the upper hand, but not by big margin (because LA had better answers for LeBron than Cavs had for Kobe - LA could put Ariza and Odom on LeBron, and Kobe on some possessions late in games, too), but Kobe's and LeBron's performance would not be the deciding factor - Pau's dominance over Cavs frontcourt would give LAL the edge, a clear edge, at that.



Why are you preemptively trying to justify the Cavs losing as a team but projecting Lebron as the best player on the floor? Is that what you thought during the 2011 finals? Why are you underplaying a team that won 60+ games back to back as a team that was not very, very good with Lebron leading them. Going by the #'s and not the narrative:

CLE rankings
DRTG 3rd
ORTG 4th
Opp Pts per game 1st
SRS 8.68

The Cavaliers swept the first two rounds....8-0, in this fictional match up the Cavaliers would have had HC advantage and they would have had all kinds of options vs the Lakers front line. Then people forget that Andrew Bynum was not that big a part of the Lakers during that finals series. He was playing less than 20 MPG and not the most effective player; Bynum was scoring 6PPG on TS% of .406 for the series. Then Lebron was shown to be very effective against Pau in situational moments.




Also, why would anyone take Ewing over Olajuwon? I never ever thought Ewing was in the same class as DRob/Hakeem/Shaq during the early 90's. He always struggled in the post season and I had figured out the Knicks could not beat the Bulls because Ewing could not dominate the Bulls inside. He depended too much on his outside game and getting dunked on by MJ/Pippen instead of being the dunking on the Bulls. Did Ewing ever win an MVP?

He made one All-NBA first team while competing vs the other great centers of the 90's

All-NBA first team selections:
Hakeem - 6
DRob - 4

So during Ewing's prime he was rarely considered the best center in the game. If the Knicks somehow won that series, it would not have changed anyone's thinking about that comparison......
I'm so tired of the typical......
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Re: What was the greatest NBA Finals we never saw? 

Post#45 » by MrSashimiLover » Mon Apr 24, 2017 6:11 am

Not necessarily the greatest ones, but definitely interesting ones...

1997 Rockets vs Bulls
1998 Pacers vs Lakers
1999 Spurs vs Heat
2005 Heat vs Spurs
2008 Suns vs Celtics
2013 Heat vs Lakers
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Re: What was the greatest NBA Finals we never saw? 

Post#46 » by Quotatious » Mon Apr 24, 2017 9:50 am

ardee wrote:I would say if LeBron was a 9.5 on the Jordan scale in the 2009 Playoffs then Kobe was an 8.5. Especially in the WCF and Finals, Kobe was absolutely wrecking folks, that was probably a top 3 stretch in his career along with the 2001 WCSF/WCF and 2010 WCSF/WCF.

Yeah, I agree that Kobe was awesome in '09 playoffs, absolutely. I would give him 8.5 or 9. 2009 LeBron should be a 10 on a Jordan playoff scale, though (I mean if we compare '09 LeBron to '89 or '90 Jordan, when his team lost in conference finals, they have almost the same raw numbers, but LeBron is ahead by a good margin in metrics, so I think it should be classified as a GOAT level playoff run, individually - LeBron against Orlando was probably better than Michael against Detroit in '89 or '90, even taking strength of opponent into account).

Both LeBron and Kobe (and Wade, too) were playing at their peak level in '09. I don't think anybody on this board would deny that LeBron peaked noticeably higher than the other two, though.
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Re: What was the greatest NBA Finals we never saw? 

Post#47 » by sp6r=underrated » Mon Apr 24, 2017 4:17 pm

I am only considering match ups we never saw not ones that occurred in the surrounding years.

1975 ABA Champion v NBA Champion
1986 Bucks v Lakers
1998 Lakers v Bulls
2007 Suns v Pistons
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Re: What was the greatest NBA Finals we never saw? 

Post#48 » by Sebastian » Mon Apr 24, 2017 7:14 pm

KobesScarf wrote:
jojo4341 wrote:
KobesScarf wrote:
??? the Bulls probably get swept by Houston(not sure they beat the Pacers even) they weren't good in 95 which is why the Magic beat them



I'm also in agreement that those Rockets would've beaten that hypothetical Bulls team. But Jordan not being in mid-season form made a huge difference. Sure he had some spurts like that 55 point game against the Hawks but for the most part, he was very inconsistent and looked gassed in some games. I know it's one play, but Jordan having no awareness of Nick Anderson coming from behind just looked so odd to me.

But yeah, the rest of the team was a hybrid of both 3-peat teams, most notably missing both Grant and Rodman. But I still think 1.5 years of Jordan continuing to play and adjusting to that particular roster would still be the best team in the East.


I would say MJ was 95% of what he was in 96-98. The problem was the team wasn't very good as evidence by there record when MJ came back losing Grant(and even Cartwright) was huge. Harper had a terrible year(arguably a downgrade from Pete Myers), and obviously Pippen wasn't as dominant.


He really wasn't. That was statistically his worst postseason other than maybe his rookie year. He was an absolute turnover machine and just a step slow on both ends.

Not saying that Bulls team would have beaten Houston, but let's not act like that Rockets team were world beaters. Lost 15 of 27 heading into the playoffs and were fortunate to win two coin flip series against better teams in the first two rounds. People think of them as being more dominant than they were because they swept a deer in the headlights Magic team in the Finals, but in actuality that is probably the worst title team since the seventies.
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Post#49 » by ItsThatEasy » Mon Apr 24, 2017 7:29 pm

'94/'95 Bulls w/ Jordan vs. '94/'95 Rockets
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Re: What was the greatest NBA Finals we never saw? 

Post#50 » by BenoUdrihFTL » Mon Apr 24, 2017 7:54 pm

Really would've liked to have seen Spurs/Heat in 2005 had Wade not been injured in the ECF. Wade was crushing the PS and 2005 was the final PS of prime Shaq. One last Shaq/Duncan showdown (this time it would be in the Finals) + Wade vs peak Ginobili would've been awesome
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Re: What was the greatest NBA Finals we never saw? 

Post#51 » by LALifer49 » Tue Apr 25, 2017 5:06 am

As much as I would have liked 09 Lakers Cavs, 09 Lakers Celtics would have been epic. 3 finals match ups in a row of this classic rivalry.
08 Spurs Celtics could have been cool. 07 Suns Cavs Nash getting a ring woulda been nice. Liked last years finals, but Cavs Thunder woulda been interesting as well.
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Re: What was the greatest NBA Finals we never saw? 

Post#52 » by carlquincy » Tue Apr 25, 2017 6:12 am

Not finals.

But Wade's Heat vs Lebron's Cavs.

The Decision robbed us of something special.
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Re: What was the greatest NBA Finals we never saw? 

Post#53 » by ardee » Wed Apr 26, 2017 6:32 am

I would probably like to add 2011 Lakers/Heat. That was being hyped up all year long until of course we imploded against the Mavs with Kobe's injury, Pau just losing it and a barrage of 3s.

I think if Kobe/Pau are healthy and playing like they did in the second half of the RS, we make the Finals and face LeBron. I don't know if we'd win but it would be the most star studded series in history.

Kobe and Wade guarding each other, Odom and Artest taking turns on James, Pau-Bosh post battle. Damn. What could have been.

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