Frank Ntilikina

[Chi town]

I think Frank is a better Avery Bradley. Combo more than PG. great fit with a ball dominant SG.

[Klomp]

I've finally started to look at some of the PGs in this class and Frank immediately stood out. After Fultz, I'd take this kid for the Timberwolves before taking any of the other guys. Physical tools are off the charts, something Thibs could really do wonders with.

[UcanUwill]

I've finally started to look at some of the PGs in this class and Frank immediately stood out. After Fultz, I'd take this kid for the Timberwolves before taking any of the other guys. Physical tools are off the charts, something Thibs could really do wonders with.

Wasnt the same said about Dunn?

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[Kalela]

Dude is long. Imagine if the Bucks somehow draft him.

[Klomp]

I've finally started to look at some of the PGs in this class and Frank immediately stood out. After Fultz, I'd take this kid for the Timberwolves before taking any of the other guys. Physical tools are off the charts, something Thibs could really do wonders with.

Wasnt the same said about Dunn?

And Dunn did some really good things on the defensive end. Thibs called him "special" on that end. The Wolves need more defenders like Dunn, not fewer.

[Killboard]

I've finally started to look at some of the PGs in this class and Frank immediately stood out. After Fultz, I'd take this kid for the Timberwolves before taking any of the other guys. Physical tools are off the charts, something Thibs could really do wonders with.

Wasnt the same said about Dunn?

And Dunn did some really good things on the defensive end. Thibs called him "special" on that end. The Wolves need more defenders like Dunn, not fewer.

He seems like a better shooter than Dunn, with a underdeveloped frame which is fair given his age. But his stats indicate he struggles as a playmaker and at the 2 his tools arent that amazing. Personally I wouldnt take him before Isaac, who projects be a similar shooter and defender and fits the core much better at both forward spots.

[Klomp]

He seems like a better shooter than Dunn, with a underdeveloped frame which is fair given his age. But his stats indicate he struggles as a playmaker and at the 2 his tools arent that amazing. Personally I wouldnt take him before Isaac, who projects be a similar shooter and defender and fits the core much better at both forward spots.

His physical tools aren't that amazing at SG? How many SGs in the league have a 7-foot wingspan?

I like Isaac too. Sure, I'd probably take him before Frank too. But this thread isn't about Frank vs. Isaac.

[doordoor123]

Wasnt the same said about Dunn?

And Dunn did some really good things on the defensive end. Thibs called him "special" on that end. The Wolves need more defenders like Dunn, not fewer.

He seems like a better shooter than Dunn, with a underdeveloped frame which is fair given his age. But his stats indicate he struggles as a playmaker and at the 2 his tools arent that amazing. Personally I wouldnt take him before Isaac, who projects be a similar shooter and defender and fits the core much better at both forward spots.

Well yeah, he has much better shot form than Dunn who had a kind of flat shot out of college. I ask you to please watch him play a full game where he was successful rather than judging on stats. His playmaking is underrated. He sees the floor really well, but a lot of his passes are too complicated for his passing ability. He uses his length in his passes and tries a lot of long passes across the court, but he's just not accurate enough or doesn't take all the defenders on the floor into account. He also has an issue with his confidence offensively. By the way, someone with a 7'0 wingspan and his size he should be able to defend 1-3 and sometimes 4 (small-ball). I'd take him before Isaac because wing defense is so valuable and what's more valuable is someone that could defend opposing point guards.

[Killboard]

He seems like a better shooter than Dunn, with a underdeveloped frame which is fair given his age. But his stats indicate he struggles as a playmaker and at the 2 his tools arent that amazing. Personally I wouldnt take him before Isaac, who projects be a similar shooter and defender and fits the core much better at both forward spots.

His physical tools aren't that amazing at SG? How many SGs in the league have a 7-foot wingspan?

I like Isaac too. Sure, I'd probably take him before Frank too. But this thread isn't about Frank vs. Isaac.

We already have one in our roster (Wiggins). But last year rookies only:

Malachi Richardson 7'0
Denzel Valentine 6' 10.75"
Malcom Brogdon 6' 10.5"
Wayne Selden 6' 10.5"
Patrick McCaw 6' 10"

He still having good measures, but isnt a blow out of the water just for that. If he can make good reads in the P&R and be good with the pocket pass, then is another thing. But he is playing off the ball in France so you must believe in his U18 tournament about that.

[doordoor123]

He seems like a better shooter than Dunn, with a underdeveloped frame which is fair given his age. But his stats indicate he struggles as a playmaker and at the 2 his tools arent that amazing. Personally I wouldnt take him before Isaac, who projects be a similar shooter and defender and fits the core much better at both forward spots.

His physical tools aren't that amazing at SG? How many SGs in the league have a 7-foot wingspan?

I like Isaac too. Sure, I'd probably take him before Frank too. But this thread isn't about Frank vs. Isaac.

We already have one in our roster (Wiggins). But last year rookies only:

Malachi Richardson 7'0
Denzel Valentine 6' 10.75"
Malcom Brogdon 6' 10.5"
Wayne Selden 6' 10.5"
Patrick McCaw 6' 10"

He still having good measures, but isnt a blow out of the water just for that. If he can make good reads in the P&R and be good with the pocket pass, then is another thing. But he is playing off the ball in France so you must believe in his U18 tournament about that.

The average starting point guard has a 6'5 wingspan, shooting guard 6'8, small forward 6'10 and Power forward
7'1. Elite players at the position are usually 3 inches longer than average.

[RipCity71252]

I really like watching Frank play. He's exactly the kind of prospect I like. Competes, plays the right way, makes the simple play, pretty smooth...his tape from a general IQ/competitiveness standpoint is pretty impressive to watch for a kid that age. With all that said, it's still has been hard for me to really figure out what his road map looks like towards becoming a starting level player.

Part of it is the role he plays on his team and him being so young, and sometimes it's just hard to envision how these kids will develop over the next few years.

First off, I don't think he's a pg on either end.

His handle will improve but his lanky, wiry frame makes me question if he'll ever be a sure enough handler (specifically against ball pressure) or put enough pressure on the rim to really be an effective half court pg. Defensively, he displays great IQ--he really is advanced in this area for his age--but I don't think there is a size+athleticism comp in the nba that has had much success guarding 1's.

At that size, you better be a great athlete and also have the flexibility to get into a low stance, and slide plus fluidly change direction and I don't trust Frank has that combination to be an effective point of attack defender against most nba 1's. Right now he's a very active on ball defender and definitely competes, but can get out of his stance if he's forced to change direction and look a little upright and shaky with his footwork overall. I also don't trust him on long closeouts vs quick guys because of this.

So, if he really is a 2, you kind of have to re-calibrate your evaluation of him. From a physical standpoint, his height+wingspan+frame combo starts to looks a lot more average although I think it'll help him from a speed/quickness standpoint. I also think it boosts the value of his playmaking skills. As a pg he looks pretty meh, but as a 2 that secondary playmaking because a pretty rare and valuable skill.

I was never high on his scoring potential (he looks 12-14ppg at peak type) and I don't think whether he plays the 1 or 2 changes that outlook for me a whole lot. His release might make it tougher to get his shot off against the bigger/longer defenders at the 2/3 though.

I would still take him in the lottery and I think he definitely is a safe pick to become a rotation player as a 3rd guard w/skills that allow for some valuable lineup flexibility, but I fear he's caught in between positions enough on both ends that he struggles to make it as a starter in the nba.

[GimmeDat]

I'm still very divided on Frank and I think I will be all the way up until draft night. On one hand, he's a smart 2 way player with immense measurements, on the other, I still have question marks about his position and outstanding abilities.

He's a sure fire lottery pick, no doubt about that, but these question marks should place him firmly behind the other lottery PG's at this stage.

[Pointguard01]

I'm still very divided on Frank and I think I will be all the way up until draft night. On one hand, he's a smart 2 way player with immense measurements, on the other, I still have question marks about his position and outstanding abilities.

He's a sure fire lottery pick, no doubt about that, but these question marks should place him firmly behind the other lottery PG's at this stage.

That's pretty much where I stand on him. Some days, I move him up somewhere around my 6-7 rated prospect. Other days, I have him as the last of the top 10 picks. As has been stated, the hard thing about Frank is that he hasn't had enough burn/role to know what you are getting. The Avery Bradley comparison is a solid one. I also see him as a combo guard/SG vs a PG long-term.

[vincecarter4pres]

I feel like he's a guy who could have really benefited from the Combine.

[Pinkyring]

I feel like he's a guy who could have really benefited from the Combine.

Only scrubs benefit from the combine

[doordoor123]

I feel like he's a guy who could have really benefited from the Combine.

Only scrubs benefit from the combine

You're calling De'Aaron Fox a scrub?

[Pinkyring]

I feel like he's a guy who could have really benefited from the Combine.

Only scrubs benefit from the combine

You're calling De'Aaron Fox a scrub?

Fox didnt workout, all he did was interview and get measured. Unless u do the athletic testing the combine isnt going to help u. The same teams fox impressed he would impress with individual visits

[vincecarter4pres]

Only scrubs benefit from the combine

You're calling De'Aaron Fox a scrub?

Fox didnt workout, all he did was interview and get measured. Unless u do the athletic testing the combine isnt going to help u. The same teams fox impressed he would impress with individual visits

Along the lines of what I was thinking for Ntilikina. We all know his measures would be good, but they probably would have been more impressive official on paper and as long as he speaks reasonably good English, or even had good inflection and confidence with a translator, I think his interviews would have left a glowing impression.

[doordoor123]

Only scrubs benefit from the combine

You're calling De'Aaron Fox a scrub?

Fox didnt workout, all he did was interview and get measured. Unless u do the athletic testing the combine isnt going to help u. The same teams fox impressed he would impress with individual visits

He still went to the combine for interviews and teams fell in love with his charisma. Some teams have him before Ball now apparently. So I'd say it helped him.

[Pinkyring]

You're calling De'Aaron Fox a scrub?

Fox didnt workout, all he did was interview and get measured. Unless u do the athletic testing the combine isnt going to help u. The same teams fox impressed he would impress with individual visits

He still went to the combine for interviews and teams fell in love with his charisma. Some teams have him before Ball now apparently. So I'd say it helped him.

Again that has zero to do with the combine but ok sir