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Post#1 » by bondom34 » Mon Apr 24, 2017 3:28 am

Well, with what seems like one game left in this season I can't say I'm totally surprised with the result. Preseason I said 46 wins and a first round out. Before the series I said Houston in 5. But what I didn't totally expect is how we got here. I didn't think it would be quite so painful to lose, nor did I think it would be a season so totally defined by how well Russ played and most of the rest of the roster underperforming. I will say I still like Dipo and think he's got a future. I still like Adams and don't know where I am on him, but honestly he was much bigger a disappointment to me, I think Dipo was about what I expected, Adams not so much.

I didn't think they'd start a rookie PF most of the year, nor did I think the coach would totally lose his mind. I thought Cam would step in at backup PG and they'd have a competent ball handler there. I thought shooting wouldn't be quite such an issue. And I thought they'd make a move for a two way wing. I also didn't think Russ would win MVP nor average a triple double, nor have to carry the offense this much.

But here we are. And here I am, rambling a bit (sorry this might get long I'm just putting a season's worth of thoughts into a post and it's been a while). It sucks to lose when you've clearly got the best player and when he's on court you're the better team. It sucks more that for whatever reason he's always been the enemy to nearly every opposing fan despite doing just about everything right other than being a pure sunshine and lollipops personality who kisses everyone's butt at every chance.

You guys all know I became a fan of this team for Cupcake, but stayed a fan for Russ. Why? Because it became readily apparent that though one was considered the franchise cornerstone, the other was the one doing the grunt work. For 8 years, every loss was on Russ, every win was on Kevin. Every shot he missed was one that should have been KD's, and KD never got the ball enough even when winning 2 scoring titles. He was the leader, always was, always will be. One thing I always look for in an athlete is that I like players who make errors of excess, not omission. Are you messing up because you're trying too hard or not enough? Well, Russ isn't ever not trying hard enough. It drew me to him and away from KD at times.

But onto narrative, it's never changed. It started in 2008 when he was drafted. He was a reach, OKC should have taken another guard. Heck, here's RealGM's take:
http://basketball.realgm.com/article/208954
Spoiler:
I love Westbrook (5) and believe he has the skill set to eventually be a great point guard, but I know Jerryd Bayless does have the offensive skills to be a great point guard. Bayless works extremely well without the ball and would have been the perfect point guard for a system built around Kevin Durant. While not a defender like Westbrook, Bayless has enough athleticism and desire to be well above average.


Yep, should have taken Jerryd Bayless.
Then came the years after. Russ was supposedly being dragged on by Cupcake, taking the blame even when he played well. On came 2013 and finally it seemed people realized he was important. He took a cheap shot and went out hurt (in a year I think they win the title if he's healthy, or at least their best shot at it). The team just looked bad without him and got basically waxed by the Grizzlies. He returned the following year and was in and out of the lineup. But still, the blame came back to him. Year after that he got some run on his own but missed the playoffs because of the 15ish games both he and KD missed to start the season, which of course is remembered by some as "he couldn't drag them to the playoffs" despite being at a pace to clearly make it when he was healthy. Another 2 years later and he was left alone.

Last offseason everyone told us as fans the team was screwed. He was leaving. There wasn't a point in him staying and he'd either be traded or leave after July 4th. That went on for a month, but on August 3rd I had a surprise when I got home and saw Russ may extend his contract, the next day he did. Maybe he's the one guy, the one STAR who actually likes OKC. Maybe he's a real leader.

Season started and ended now, and there's this new narrative. He isn't making players better, isn't a leader, well that's garbage. Let's just look at it simply, first the "making teammates better". Here's the top 5 players minutes are shared with, and compared to Harden since it seems for whatever reason it's now turned to Houston fans claiming there was some robbery with MVP (which by the way RPM also had Houston winning 1 more game than OKC and pundits thought Charlotte and Detroit would be in the playoffs, that doesn't actually mean those teams are talented, it means pundits were wrong, not a hard concept).

Russ on the court:
Adams: 57.5 eFG, 1.18 PPS
Roberson:51.5 eFT, 1.07 PPS
Oladipo: 51.6 eFG, 1.13 PPS
Sabonis: 46.6 eFG, 0.97 PPS
Grant: 57.6 eFG, 1.21 PPS

I'd also note here those are the 5 he plays most minutes with. Not one of those is a good offensive player at all, one is a rookie, two more are first year on the team.

Russ off court:
Adams: 50.0 eFG, 1.08 PPS
Roberson: 57.4 eFG, 1.06 PPS
Oladipo: 48.1 eFG, 1.02 PPS
Sabonis: 40.5 eFG, 0.87 PPS
Grant: 50.9 eFG, 1.05 PPS

So yea, he makes them better nearly across the board with the lone exception of Dre haveing a higher eFG and lower PPS.

To add to that, he sticks up for his guys. It really hit home when he nailed Tramel in the press conference. He's a leader plain and simple, doesn't make excuses, and doesn't throw teammates under the bus.

I know some want to rebuild. But he's the only star who seems to actually want to be in OKC. He's the MVP. He's a leader, and this season was just a chance for him to show it. Here's to a good offseason, and to anyone beating Golden State and Houston.
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Post#2 » by bondom34 » Mon Apr 24, 2017 4:25 am

**** I just saw the Tramel question again and that's just awesome.
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Post#3 » by Pillendreher » Mon Apr 24, 2017 8:56 am

I'm just so **** sick of it. I'm so sick of all the bull that is out there. I'm sick of idiots pushing narrative after narrative just to validate their hate.

I can't believe how stupid and ignorant some people are.

'You cant' win with Westbrook'
'Westbrook's teammates may suck, but that's his fault as well'
'Westbrook is not a teamplayer'
'Westbrook drove Durant away'
'Nobody likes Westbrook'

Go **** yourselves, you miserable pricks. I'm so done with this bull. Every years it's the same ****, year in and year out. No matter what actually happens on the court, the parrots are out in full force with the same ridiculous takes they've had since ever.

Russ is having a season for the ages and it's getting swept up in this avalanche of hate.
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Post#4 » by Bergmaniac » Mon Apr 24, 2017 9:54 am

Honestly I started long ago to just laugh at all the dumb hot takes from people who obviously watch a player or a team 7-8 times per year at most and have no clue what the hell they are talking about (aka 90% of the GB or r/nba posters on any topic). A major problem with the GB or almost any other NBA board is that most posters don't watch enough games to know what the hell they are talking about but that never stops a lot of them from making big claims. Same nonsense is repeated over and over again because people rely on dumb memes or 30 seconds Youtube videos instead of actually watching the games.
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Post#5 » by ThunderBolt » Mon Apr 24, 2017 11:23 am

bondom34 wrote:Well, with what seems like one game left in this season I can't say I'm totally surprised with the result. Preseason I said 46 wins and a first round out. Before the series I said Houston in 5. But what I didn't totally expect is how we got here. I didn't think it would be quite so painful to lose, nor did I think it would be a season so totally defined by how well Russ played and most of the rest of the roster underperforming. I will say I still like Dipo and think he's got a future. I still like Adams and don't know where I am on him, but honestly he was much bigger a disappointment to me, I think Dipo was about what I expected, Adams not so much.

I didn't think they'd start a rookie PF most of the year, nor did I think the coach would totally lose his mind. I thought Cam would step in at backup PG and they'd have a competent ball handler there. I thought shooting wouldn't be quite such an issue. And I thought they'd make a move for a two way wing. I also didn't think Russ would win MVP nor average a triple double, nor have to carry the offense this much.

But here we are. And here I am, rambling a bit (sorry this might get long I'm just putting a season's worth of thoughts into a post and it's been a while). It sucks to lose when you've clearly got the best player and when he's on court you're the better team. It sucks more that for whatever reason he's always been the enemy to nearly every opposing fan despite doing just about everything right other than being a pure sunshine and lollipops personality who kisses everyone's butt at every chance.

You guys all know I became a fan of this team for Cupcake, but stayed a fan for Russ. Why? Because it became readily apparent that though one was considered the franchise cornerstone, the other was the one doing the grunt work. For 8 years, every loss was on Russ, every win was on Kevin. Every shot he missed was one that should have been KD's, and KD never got the ball enough even when winning 2 scoring titles. He was the leader, always was, always will be. One thing I always look for in an athlete is that I like players who make errors of excess, not omission. Are you messing up because you're trying too hard or not enough? Well, Russ isn't ever not trying hard enough. It drew me to him and away from KD at times.

But onto narrative, it's never changed. It started in 2008 when he was drafted. He was a reach, OKC should have taken another guard. Heck, here's RealGM's take:
http://basketball.realgm.com/article/208954
Spoiler:
I love Westbrook (5) and believe he has the skill set to eventually be a great point guard, but I know Jerryd Bayless does have the offensive skills to be a great point guard. Bayless works extremely well without the ball and would have been the perfect point guard for a system built around Kevin Durant. While not a defender like Westbrook, Bayless has enough athleticism and desire to be well above average.


Yep, should have taken Jerryd Bayless.
Then came the years after. Russ was supposedly being dragged on by Cupcake, taking the blame even when he played well. On came 2013 and finally it seemed people realized he was important. He took a cheap shot and went out hurt (in a year I think they win the title if he's healthy, or at least their best shot at it). The team just looked bad without him and got basically waxed by the Grizzlies. He returned the following year and was in and out of the lineup. But still, the blame came back to him. Year after that he got some run on his own but missed the playoffs because of the 15ish games both he and KD missed to start the season, which of course is remembered by some as "he couldn't drag them to the playoffs" despite being at a pace to clearly make it when he was healthy. Another 2 years later and he was left alone.

Last offseason everyone told us as fans the team was screwed. He was leaving. There wasn't a point in him staying and he'd either be traded or leave after July 4th. That went on for a month, but on August 3rd I had a surprise when I got home and saw Russ may extend his contract, the next day he did. Maybe he's the one guy, the one STAR who actually likes OKC. Maybe he's a real leader.

Season started and ended now, and there's this new narrative. He isn't making players better, isn't a leader, well that's garbage. Let's just look at it simply, first the "making teammates better". Here's the top 5 players minutes are shared with, and compared to Harden since it seems for whatever reason it's now turned to Houston fans claiming there was some robbery with MVP (which by the way RPM also had Houston winning 1 more game than OKC and pundits thought Charlotte and Detroit would be in the playoffs, that doesn't actually mean those teams are talented, it means pundits were wrong, not a hard concept).

Russ on the court:
Adams: 57.5 eFG, 1.18 PPS
Roberson:51.5 eFT, 1.07 PPS
Oladipo: 51.6 eFG, 1.13 PPS
Sabonis: 46.6 eFG, 0.97 PPS
Grant: 57.6 eFG, 1.21 PPS

I'd also note here those are the 5 he plays most minutes with. Not one of those is a good offensive player at all, one is a rookie, two more are first year on the team.

Russ off court:
Adams: 50.0 eFG, 1.08 PPS
Roberson: 57.4 eFG, 1.06 PPS
Oladipo: 48.1 eFG, 1.02 PPS
Sabonis: 40.5 eFG, 0.87 PPS
Grant: 50.9 eFG, 1.05 PPS

So yea, he makes them better nearly across the board with the lone exception of Dre haveing a higher eFG and lower PPS.

To add to that, he sticks up for his guys. It really hit home when he nailed Tramel in the press conference. He's a leader plain and simple, doesn't make excuses, and doesn't throw teammates under the bus.

I know some want to rebuild. But he's the only star who seems to actually want to be in OKC. He's the MVP. He's a leader, and this season was just a chance for him to show it. Here's to a good offseason, and to anyone beating Golden State and Houston.



Good points. I pretty much feel the same. When it comes to th rebuild, I have no problem trying to build around Russ. As I've said before, I have a big problem trying to build around Russ with Adams, Kanter and Oladipo. They aren't that good and need to be moved immediately for better players. If we can get a solid number two, we should trade them along with any asset we have. Adams may turn into s solid center by the time he's 28. There is no time for that. Presti making moves with the back end of the roster are pointless if the starters remain the same. What sucks is the one other starter that I think fits along Russ, Taj, will probably be let go because he's not in Presti's youthful window.
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Post#6 » by Pillendreher » Mon Apr 24, 2017 11:47 am

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bondom34 wrote:Well, with what seems like one game left in this season I can't say I'm totally surprised with the result. Preseason I said 46 wins and a first round out. Before the series I said Houston in 5. But what I didn't totally expect is how we got here. I didn't think it would be quite so painful to lose, nor did I think it would be a season so totally defined by how well Russ played and most of the rest of the roster underperforming. I will say I still like Dipo and think he's got a future. I still like Adams and don't know where I am on him, but honestly he was much bigger a disappointment to me, I think Dipo was about what I expected, Adams not so much.

I didn't think they'd start a rookie PF most of the year, nor did I think the coach would totally lose his mind. I thought Cam would step in at backup PG and they'd have a competent ball handler there. I thought shooting wouldn't be quite such an issue. And I thought they'd make a move for a two way wing. I also didn't think Russ would win MVP nor average a triple double, nor have to carry the offense this much.

But here we are. And here I am, rambling a bit (sorry this might get long I'm just putting a season's worth of thoughts into a post and it's been a while). It sucks to lose when you've clearly got the best player and when he's on court you're the better team. It sucks more that for whatever reason he's always been the enemy to nearly every opposing fan despite doing just about everything right other than being a pure sunshine and lollipops personality who kisses everyone's butt at every chance.

You guys all know I became a fan of this team for Cupcake, but stayed a fan for Russ. Why? Because it became readily apparent that though one was considered the franchise cornerstone, the other was the one doing the grunt work. For 8 years, every loss was on Russ, every win was on Kevin. Every shot he missed was one that should have been KD's, and KD never got the ball enough even when winning 2 scoring titles. He was the leader, always was, always will be. One thing I always look for in an athlete is that I like players who make errors of excess, not omission. Are you messing up because you're trying too hard or not enough? Well, Russ isn't ever not trying hard enough. It drew me to him and away from KD at times.

But onto narrative, it's never changed. It started in 2008 when he was drafted. He was a reach, OKC should have taken another guard. Heck, here's RealGM's take:
http://basketball.realgm.com/article/208954
Spoiler:
I love Westbrook (5) and believe he has the skill set to eventually be a great point guard, but I know Jerryd Bayless does have the offensive skills to be a great point guard. Bayless works extremely well without the ball and would have been the perfect point guard for a system built around Kevin Durant. While not a defender like Westbrook, Bayless has enough athleticism and desire to be well above average.


Yep, should have taken Jerryd Bayless.
Then came the years after. Russ was supposedly being dragged on by Cupcake, taking the blame even when he played well. On came 2013 and finally it seemed people realized he was important. He took a cheap shot and went out hurt (in a year I think they win the title if he's healthy, or at least their best shot at it). The team just looked bad without him and got basically waxed by the Grizzlies. He returned the following year and was in and out of the lineup. But still, the blame came back to him. Year after that he got some run on his own but missed the playoffs because of the 15ish games both he and KD missed to start the season, which of course is remembered by some as "he couldn't drag them to the playoffs" despite being at a pace to clearly make it when he was healthy. Another 2 years later and he was left alone.

Last offseason everyone told us as fans the team was screwed. He was leaving. There wasn't a point in him staying and he'd either be traded or leave after July 4th. That went on for a month, but on August 3rd I had a surprise when I got home and saw Russ may extend his contract, the next day he did. Maybe he's the one guy, the one STAR who actually likes OKC. Maybe he's a real leader.

Season started and ended now, and there's this new narrative. He isn't making players better, isn't a leader, well that's garbage. Let's just look at it simply, first the "making teammates better". Here's the top 5 players minutes are shared with, and compared to Harden since it seems for whatever reason it's now turned to Houston fans claiming there was some robbery with MVP (which by the way RPM also had Houston winning 1 more game than OKC and pundits thought Charlotte and Detroit would be in the playoffs, that doesn't actually mean those teams are talented, it means pundits were wrong, not a hard concept).

Russ on the court:
Adams: 57.5 eFG, 1.18 PPS
Roberson:51.5 eFT, 1.07 PPS
Oladipo: 51.6 eFG, 1.13 PPS
Sabonis: 46.6 eFG, 0.97 PPS
Grant: 57.6 eFG, 1.21 PPS

I'd also note here those are the 5 he plays most minutes with. Not one of those is a good offensive player at all, one is a rookie, two more are first year on the team.

Russ off court:
Adams: 50.0 eFG, 1.08 PPS
Roberson: 57.4 eFG, 1.06 PPS
Oladipo: 48.1 eFG, 1.02 PPS
Sabonis: 40.5 eFG, 0.87 PPS
Grant: 50.9 eFG, 1.05 PPS

So yea, he makes them better nearly across the board with the lone exception of Dre haveing a higher eFG and lower PPS.

To add to that, he sticks up for his guys. It really hit home when he nailed Tramel in the press conference. He's a leader plain and simple, doesn't make excuses, and doesn't throw teammates under the bus.

I know some want to rebuild. But he's the only star who seems to actually want to be in OKC. He's the MVP. He's a leader, and this season was just a chance for him to show it. Here's to a good offseason, and to anyone beating Golden State and Houston.



Good points. I pretty much feel the same. When it comes to th rebuild, I have no problem trying to build around Russ. As I've said before, I have a big problem trying to build around Russ with Adams, Kanter and Oladipo. They aren't that good and need to be moved immediately for better players. If we can get a solid number two, we should trade them along with any asset we have. Adams may turn into s solid center by the time he's 28. There is no time for that. Presti making moves with the back end of the roster are pointless if the starters remain the same. What sucks is the one other starter that I think fits along Russ, Taj, will probably be let go because he's not in Presti's youthful window.


I know where you're coming from, but our starters have worked well all season long. It might that additional help alone is enough to put Dipo and Adams into more comfortable positions.
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Post#7 » by ThunderBolt » Mon Apr 24, 2017 12:42 pm

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bondom34 wrote:Well, with what seems like one game left in this season I can't say I'm totally surprised with the result. Preseason I said 46 wins and a first round out. Before the series I said Houston in 5. But what I didn't totally expect is how we got here. I didn't think it would be quite so painful to lose, nor did I think it would be a season so totally defined by how well Russ played and most of the rest of the roster underperforming. I will say I still like Dipo and think he's got a future. I still like Adams and don't know where I am on him, but honestly he was much bigger a disappointment to me, I think Dipo was about what I expected, Adams not so much.

I didn't think they'd start a rookie PF most of the year, nor did I think the coach would totally lose his mind. I thought Cam would step in at backup PG and they'd have a competent ball handler there. I thought shooting wouldn't be quite such an issue. And I thought they'd make a move for a two way wing. I also didn't think Russ would win MVP nor average a triple double, nor have to carry the offense this much.

But here we are. And here I am, rambling a bit (sorry this might get long I'm just putting a season's worth of thoughts into a post and it's been a while). It sucks to lose when you've clearly got the best player and when he's on court you're the better team. It sucks more that for whatever reason he's always been the enemy to nearly every opposing fan despite doing just about everything right other than being a pure sunshine and lollipops personality who kisses everyone's butt at every chance.

You guys all know I became a fan of this team for Cupcake, but stayed a fan for Russ. Why? Because it became readily apparent that though one was considered the franchise cornerstone, the other was the one doing the grunt work. For 8 years, every loss was on Russ, every win was on Kevin. Every shot he missed was one that should have been KD's, and KD never got the ball enough even when winning 2 scoring titles. He was the leader, always was, always will be. One thing I always look for in an athlete is that I like players who make errors of excess, not omission. Are you messing up because you're trying too hard or not enough? Well, Russ isn't ever not trying hard enough. It drew me to him and away from KD at times.

But onto narrative, it's never changed. It started in 2008 when he was drafted. He was a reach, OKC should have taken another guard. Heck, here's RealGM's take:
http://basketball.realgm.com/article/208954
Spoiler:

Yep, should have taken Jerryd Bayless.
Then came the years after. Russ was supposedly being dragged on by Cupcake, taking the blame even when he played well. On came 2013 and finally it seemed people realized he was important. He took a cheap shot and went out hurt (in a year I think they win the title if he's healthy, or at least their best shot at it). The team just looked bad without him and got basically waxed by the Grizzlies. He returned the following year and was in and out of the lineup. But still, the blame came back to him. Year after that he got some run on his own but missed the playoffs because of the 15ish games both he and KD missed to start the season, which of course is remembered by some as "he couldn't drag them to the playoffs" despite being at a pace to clearly make it when he was healthy. Another 2 years later and he was left alone.

Last offseason everyone told us as fans the team was screwed. He was leaving. There wasn't a point in him staying and he'd either be traded or leave after July 4th. That went on for a month, but on August 3rd I had a surprise when I got home and saw Russ may extend his contract, the next day he did. Maybe he's the one guy, the one STAR who actually likes OKC. Maybe he's a real leader.

Season started and ended now, and there's this new narrative. He isn't making players better, isn't a leader, well that's garbage. Let's just look at it simply, first the "making teammates better". Here's the top 5 players minutes are shared with, and compared to Harden since it seems for whatever reason it's now turned to Houston fans claiming there was some robbery with MVP (which by the way RPM also had Houston winning 1 more game than OKC and pundits thought Charlotte and Detroit would be in the playoffs, that doesn't actually mean those teams are talented, it means pundits were wrong, not a hard concept).

Russ on the court:
Adams: 57.5 eFG, 1.18 PPS
Roberson:51.5 eFT, 1.07 PPS
Oladipo: 51.6 eFG, 1.13 PPS
Sabonis: 46.6 eFG, 0.97 PPS
Grant: 57.6 eFG, 1.21 PPS

I'd also note here those are the 5 he plays most minutes with. Not one of those is a good offensive player at all, one is a rookie, two more are first year on the team.

Russ off court:
Adams: 50.0 eFG, 1.08 PPS
Roberson: 57.4 eFG, 1.06 PPS
Oladipo: 48.1 eFG, 1.02 PPS
Sabonis: 40.5 eFG, 0.87 PPS
Grant: 50.9 eFG, 1.05 PPS

So yea, he makes them better nearly across the board with the lone exception of Dre haveing a higher eFG and lower PPS.

To add to that, he sticks up for his guys. It really hit home when he nailed Tramel in the press conference. He's a leader plain and simple, doesn't make excuses, and doesn't throw teammates under the bus.

I know some want to rebuild. But he's the only star who seems to actually want to be in OKC. He's the MVP. He's a leader, and this season was just a chance for him to show it. Here's to a good offseason, and to anyone beating Golden State and Houston.



Good points. I pretty much feel the same. When it comes to th rebuild, I have no problem trying to build around Russ. As I've said before, I have a big problem trying to build around Russ with Adams, Kanter and Oladipo. They aren't that good and need to be moved immediately for better players. If we can get a solid number two, we should trade them along with any asset we have. Adams may turn into s solid center by the time he's 28. There is no time for that. Presti making moves with the back end of the roster are pointless if the starters remain the same. What sucks is the one other starter that I think fits along Russ, Taj, will probably be let go because he's not in Presti's youthful window.


I know where you're coming from, but our starters have worked well all season long. It might that additional help alone is enough to put Dipo and Adams into more comfortable positions.


I can see that with Adams, but not with Oladipo. With the style that Adams plays, he doesn't necessarily have to be able to create his own offense. He could easily average 15ppg on pick and rolls, put backs, and free throws. A shooting guard has to be able to create his own offense. Oladipo hasn't been able to get to the basket, create separation or draw fouls. Those are skills that really aren't that dependent on who else is there.
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Re: A Rant: On This Team, Russ, Leadership, MVP, and Narratives 

Post#8 » by Kizz Fastfists » Mon Apr 24, 2017 1:54 pm

I've been the person screaming trade Russ and blow it up since kd ran off. It has nothing to do with Russ being a bad player or someone you can't build around. I have issues with Russ' game, but no player has a perfect game. My issues are when Russ goes into his bad shot selection mode. I think everyone can acknowledge this happens from time to time. My reason for wanting to blow it up is that I don't think OKC has the ability to get the #2 player needed with Russ. If OKC can somehow get Jimmy Butler or another legitimate #2 player to pair with Russ then you build around them. With Russ, a pair of guys that should be #3/4 options on a contender and a group of bad players there isn't anything Russ can do to carry that team. The only player you could replace Russ with to give OKC a chance to get out of the first round of the playoffs is LeBron and I'm not sure he could pull it off.
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Post#9 » by Kizz Fastfists » Mon Apr 24, 2017 1:58 pm

Pillendreher wrote:I know where you're coming from, but our starters have worked well all season long. It might that additional help alone is enough to put Dipo and Adams into more comfortable positions.


The problem is they have no ability to bring in additional help. They are capped out and have no assets to use to bring in a significant win now piece. Being middle of the pack in the conference isn't working well. It is being mediocre. This team is mediocre with no reason to believe it can be anything more. If they can't get a team to take Kanter they will lose Taj and Roberson this off-season and replace them with league minimum players. If that happens I won't expect them to make the playoffs next season.
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Post#10 » by Pillendreher » Mon Apr 24, 2017 2:03 pm

Kizz Fastfists wrote:I've been the person screaming trade Russ and blow it up since kd ran off. It has nothing to do with Russ being a bad player or someone you can't build around. I have issues with Russ' game, but no player has a perfect game. My issues are when Russ goes into his bad shot selection mode. I think everyone can acknowledge this happens from time to time. My reason for wanting to blow it up is that I don't think OKC has the ability to get the #2 player needed with Russ. If OKC can somehow get Jimmy Butler or another legitimate #2 player to pair with Russ then you build around them. With Russ, a pair of guys that should be #3/4 options on a contender and a group of bad players there isn't anything Russ can do to carry that team. The only player you could replace Russ with to give OKC a chance to get out of the first round of the playoffs is LeBron and I'm not sure he could pull it off.


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Post#11 » by Andre Roberstan » Mon Apr 24, 2017 2:15 pm

The cool thing to me is how every year he finds a way to improve his game and simultaneously take away part of the narrative against him.

And yeah, pretty much agreed with Dom. Ride or die with Russ.
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Post#12 » by MartinToVaught » Mon Apr 24, 2017 2:19 pm

Bergmaniac wrote:Honestly I started long ago to just laugh at all the dumb hot takes from people who obviously watch a player or a team 7-8 times per year at most and have no clue what the hell they are talking about (aka 90% of the GB or r/nba posters on any topic). A major problem with the GB or almost any other NBA board is that most posters don't watch enough games to know what the hell they are talking about but that never stops a lot of them from making big claims. Same nonsense is repeated over and over again because people rely on dumb memes or 30 seconds Youtube videos instead of actually watching the games.

Most of the Westbrook haters come storming into the game threads right after the games. It's clear from how the tone of the thread changes and Westbrook starts getting blamed for everything that it's coming from agenda-driven haters who didn't even watch the game.

As a Clipper fan, I can empathize. Blake gets treated the same way. Everything he does well gets swept under the rug, but God forbid he misses a shot in the fourth quarter or has a fluke injury. Then he's suddenly the worst and most overrated player in the league and we'd somehow be a better team if we let him walk for nothing. Everyone complains about Skip and Stephen A. on the GB, but most people act exactly like them.

I used to really dislike Westbrook, but he won me over the year Cupcake was out with that foot injury and he almost led them to the playoffs by himself. That season made me realize that Westbrook wasn't the scrub chucker the media made him out to be in order to protect Cupcake's reputation. It showed that he was really a beast and a true leader in his own right. I hope the Thunder can get that man some help, because he needs it.
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Post#13 » by Pillendreher » Mon Apr 24, 2017 2:29 pm

Andre Roberstan wrote:The cool thing to me is how every year he finds a way to improve his game and simultaneously take away part of the narrative against him.

And yeah, pretty much agreed with Dom. Ride or die with Russ.


I fully expect him to become a 40 % 3pt shooter within the next two years.
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Post#14 » by bondom34 » Mon Apr 24, 2017 2:31 pm

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Bergmaniac wrote:Honestly I started long ago to just laugh at all the dumb hot takes from people who obviously watch a player or a team 7-8 times per year at most and have no clue what the hell they are talking about (aka 90% of the GB or r/nba posters on any topic). A major problem with the GB or almost any other NBA board is that most posters don't watch enough games to know what the hell they are talking about but that never stops a lot of them from making big claims. Same nonsense is repeated over and over again because people rely on dumb memes or 30 seconds Youtube videos instead of actually watching the games.

Most of the Westbrook haters come storming into the game threads right after the games. It's clear from how the tone of the thread changes and Westbrook starts getting blamed for everything that it's coming from agenda-driven haters who didn't even watch the game.

As a Clipper fan, I can empathize. Blake gets treated the same way. Everything he does well gets swept under the rug, but God forbid he misses a shot in the fourth quarter or has a fluke injury. Then he's suddenly the worst and most overrated player in the league and we'd somehow be a better team if we let him walk for nothing. Everyone complains about Skip and Stephen A. on the GB, but most people act exactly like them.

I used to really dislike Westbrook, but he won me over the year Cupcake was out with that foot injury and he almost led them to the playoffs by himself. That season made me realize that Westbrook wasn't the scrub chucker the media made him out to be in order to protect Cupcake's reputation. It showed that he was really a beast and a true leader in his own right. I hope the Thunder can get that man some help, because he needs it.

I've always had a soft spot for the Clippers and really root for you guys as well. Hope the best for BG and that you can get an actually decent GM to get some assets and depth to that team, was really hoping this was your year.
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Post#15 » by Pillendreher » Mon Apr 24, 2017 2:36 pm

bondom34 wrote:
MartinToVaught wrote:
Bergmaniac wrote:Honestly I started long ago to just laugh at all the dumb hot takes from people who obviously watch a player or a team 7-8 times per year at most and have no clue what the hell they are talking about (aka 90% of the GB or r/nba posters on any topic). A major problem with the GB or almost any other NBA board is that most posters don't watch enough games to know what the hell they are talking about but that never stops a lot of them from making big claims. Same nonsense is repeated over and over again because people rely on dumb memes or 30 seconds Youtube videos instead of actually watching the games.

Most of the Westbrook haters come storming into the game threads right after the games. It's clear from how the tone of the thread changes and Westbrook starts getting blamed for everything that it's coming from agenda-driven haters who didn't even watch the game.

As a Clipper fan, I can empathize. Blake gets treated the same way. Everything he does well gets swept under the rug, but God forbid he misses a shot in the fourth quarter or has a fluke injury. Then he's suddenly the worst and most overrated player in the league and we'd somehow be a better team if we let him walk for nothing. Everyone complains about Skip and Stephen A. on the GB, but most people act exactly like them.

I used to really dislike Westbrook, but he won me over the year Cupcake was out with that foot injury and he almost led them to the playoffs by himself. That season made me realize that Westbrook wasn't the scrub chucker the media made him out to be in order to protect Cupcake's reputation. It showed that he was really a beast and a true leader in his own right. I hope the Thunder can get that man some help, because he needs it.

I've always had a soft spot for the Clippers and really root for you guys as well. Hope the best for BG and that you can get an actually decent GM to get some assets and depth to that team, was really hoping this was your year.


You traitor! We're getting Blake! :D :P
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Post#16 » by Thundershock88 » Mon Apr 24, 2017 3:07 pm

I think Taj and Robes are gone. Next year will be even worse if we don't make some moves. It's going to be very hard to move Adams, Kanter or Dipo. Let alone all 3. Presti has done a great job of making this team worse. We gave so much money to 2 centers when the league is moving towards small ball and 3 point shooting.
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Post#17 » by Dadouv47 » Mon Apr 24, 2017 7:22 pm

Adams played great for most than a year and a half, and bad for 3 months. That's not a reason to trade him in my opinion. Just hope he can back play like he used to. But if you want to get rid of hm, he has trade value for sure.

Oladipo has never been the kind of player we need. He needs the ball in his hand to score, which is not compatible with RW (even if he improved his 3pts %). It was such a stupid idea to extend him (not to trade for him). There are still trade possibilities since the new salaries are absurd and he can be valuable on another team with the ball in his hand (even if his trade value is far than good).

Kanter had some value but had been exposed so much during this series. I don't know how we can make a good move with him. Don't see any team that can use him well enough to trade for him.

Robes will stay if no other team gives a lot for him.
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Post#18 » by oken » Tue Apr 25, 2017 12:00 pm

For some teams playoffs are a change to shake the dust off them and become better (Cavs & Hawks every year) but for some teams it is time for the young ones to get exposed against the veterans (Thunder every year). That fully lies on Presti who has time after time failed to bring any kind of veteran experience to this team for the playoff time.

He values youth above everything else which brings Alan Hansen's statistically proved (best chance to win a cup is with a team of average 28.5 years old) statement to mind:

"You can't win anything with kids"
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Post#19 » by Old Man Game » Tue Apr 25, 2017 12:04 pm

Don't sweat it you guys. Haters gonna hate.
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Post#20 » by ThunderBolt » Tue Apr 25, 2017 12:06 pm

oken wrote:For some teams playoffs are a change to shake the dust off them and become better (Cavs & Hawks every year) but for some teams it is time for the young ones to get exposed against the veterans (Thunder every year). That fully lies on Presti who has time after time failed to bring any kind of veteran experience to this team for the playoff time.

He values youth above everything else which brings Alan Hansen's statistically proved (best chance to win a cup is with a team of average 28.5 years old) statement to mind:

"You can't win anything with kids"
http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/33982195


That's one reason I would reall like to re-sign Taj.
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