Blue_and_Whte wrote:Cant handle a coach telling them to sit their sorry asses down when they're playing like crap.
The only guy that complained about that role was Vuc, the player you defend with 100% conviction.
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Blue_and_Whte wrote:Cant handle a coach telling them to sit their sorry asses down when they're playing like crap.
BadMofoPimp wrote:Bensational wrote:Perry was a part of building s championship Pistons team, then worked under Presti whilst they built a finals contending team (with Hennigan). Lloyd helped recruit guys that Thibs was able to turn into a contending force.
I'm gonna wager that those guys know more about how to handle players than a coach with very middling success and a reputation for alienating players. Or Martins for that matter.
It's pretty hypocritical for guys like Skiles and Martins to complain about accountability when neither of them have taken any lately. Skiles quit, and Martins threw Hennigan under the bus.
This is hypothetical, but I have a feeling Henny threw Skiles under the bus to hire Vogel.
RickB-Orlando wrote:magicfan4life88 wrote:Tobias Harris would not, will not, not, not, not save this team, much like oladipo he was inconsistent, does anyone remember Harris in his time here? He didn't make our team better, he didn't make the pistons better, he can score at times, he can't do what this team needs, we need a player who can take over a game and before you bitch about Fournier he is our most consistent player since he's been with us, I know he isn't the player this team needs like I was talking about but he is the perfect player to play next to the guy we need, or even off the bench, ala Terry, ala manu
I always thought the criticism of Tobias was a bit unfair. He's a consistent 17/8 guy when given 30 mpg. He's not a go-to scorer, but is a qualified third option, maybe even second option if the first option is a real star.
Criticizing Tobias for not being a go to scorer is the same as criticizing Fournier for not being a go to scorer. They're both fine 2d or 3d options.
magicfan4life88 wrote:RickB-Orlando wrote:magicfan4life88 wrote:Tobias Harris would not, will not, not, not, not save this team, much like oladipo he was inconsistent, does anyone remember Harris in his time here? He didn't make our team better, he didn't make the pistons better, he can score at times, he can't do what this team needs, we need a player who can take over a game and before you bitch about Fournier he is our most consistent player since he's been with us, I know he isn't the player this team needs like I was talking about but he is the perfect player to play next to the guy we need, or even off the bench, ala Terry, ala manu
I always thought the criticism of Tobias was a bit unfair. He's a consistent 17/8 guy when given 30 mpg. He's not a go-to scorer, but is a qualified third option, maybe even second option if the first option is a real star.
Criticizing Tobias for not being a go to scorer is the same as criticizing Fournier for not being a go to scorer. They're both fine 2d or 3d options.
My point is he gets way too much praise on here for what he is, he isnt a guy that makes his team better, he puts up stats here and there but he is no go to guy, hes not the shooter Evan is, get a 20+ppg scorer here and everyone will love Evan again
Harris is a very poor mans melo, he can score a little but doesn't make his teams better, hes a better rebounder and defender then melo but not by much really and still doesnt make his teams better, I like Harris when he was here but I'm perfectly fine without him, TOO MANY PEOPLE ON HERE ACT AS IF HARRIS AND DIPO ARE STARS ON THE RISE WHEN THEY AREN'T EVEN ON THE RISE, THEY'VE PEAKED
pepe1991 wrote:magicfan4life88 wrote:RickB-Orlando wrote:
I always thought the criticism of Tobias was a bit unfair. He's a consistent 17/8 guy when given 30 mpg. He's not a go-to scorer, but is a qualified third option, maybe even second option if the first option is a real star.
Criticizing Tobias for not being a go to scorer is the same as criticizing Fournier for not being a go to scorer. They're both fine 2d or 3d options.
My point is he gets way too much praise on here for what he is, he isnt a guy that makes his team better, he puts up stats here and there but he is no go to guy, hes not the shooter Evan is, get a 20+ppg scorer here and everyone will love Evan again
Harris is a very poor mans melo, he can score a little but doesn't make his teams better, hes a better rebounder and defender then melo but not by much really and still doesnt make his teams better, I like Harris when he was here but I'm perfectly fine without him, TOO MANY PEOPLE ON HERE ACT AS IF HARRIS AND DIPO ARE STARS ON THE RISE WHEN THEY AREN'T EVEN ON THE RISE, THEY'VE PEAKED
TObias Harris was salary dump trade so Hennigan can salary space to sign non other than Jeff Green and failed in attemp to get Chandler Parsons. It's actually hard to decide who is worst, Green or Parsons.
magicfan4life88 wrote:pepe1991 wrote:magicfan4life88 wrote:
My point is he gets way too much praise on here for what he is, he isnt a guy that makes his team better, he puts up stats here and there but he is no go to guy, hes not the shooter Evan is, get a 20+ppg scorer here and everyone will love Evan again
Harris is a very poor mans melo, he can score a little but doesn't make his teams better, hes a better rebounder and defender then melo but not by much really and still doesnt make his teams better, I like Harris when he was here but I'm perfectly fine without him, TOO MANY PEOPLE ON HERE ACT AS IF HARRIS AND DIPO ARE STARS ON THE RISE WHEN THEY AREN'T EVEN ON THE RISE, THEY'VE PEAKED
TObias Harris was salary dump trade so Hennigan can salary space to sign non other than Jeff Green and failed in attemp to get Chandler Parsons. It's actually hard to decide who is worst, Green or Parsons.
definitely dont think his intention the whole time was so he could sign green, or even parsons, but to have cap room to entice someone to come over and unfortunateyl got stuck with what we got stuck with, remember hennigan never really let alot out so we dont even know how many free-agents turned us down, like barnes, batum, derozan, marvin williams(who would have been much better then JGreen) and Durant, guarentee they were all contacted and agents laughed at us
pepe1991 wrote:magicfan4life88 wrote:pepe1991 wrote:
TObias Harris was salary dump trade so Hennigan can salary space to sign non other than Jeff Green and failed in attemp to get Chandler Parsons. It's actually hard to decide who is worst, Green or Parsons.
definitely dont think his intention the whole time was so he could sign green, or even parsons, but to have cap room to entice someone to come over and unfortunateyl got stuck with what we got stuck with, remember hennigan never really let alot out so we dont even know how many free-agents turned us down, like barnes, batum, derozan, marvin williams(who would have been much better then JGreen) and Durant, guarentee they were all contacted and agents laughed at us
His inability to understand how a build a team started long time before any of that. When he tried to sign Millsap who plays same position as Gordon who he drafted that year with 4th overall pick .
That's why he should have been fired last year. He simply didn't understand or value his assets high enough, so he sold them for nothing.
magicfan4life88 wrote:pepe1991 wrote:magicfan4life88 wrote: definitely dont think his intention the whole time was so he could sign green, or even parsons, but to have cap room to entice someone to come over and unfortunateyl got stuck with what we got stuck with, remember hennigan never really let alot out so we dont even know how many free-agents turned us down, like barnes, batum, derozan, marvin williams(who would have been much better then JGreen) and Durant, guarentee they were all contacted and agents laughed at us
His inability to understand how a build a team started long time before any of that. When he tried to sign Millsap who plays same position as Gordon who he drafted that year with 4th overall pick .
That's why he should have been fired last year. He simply didn't understand or value his assets high enough, so he sold them for nothing.
yes because they didnt believe at all that Gordon could play the 3, oh wait they did, yes it didnt work out but they obviously had a plan in place, fact is they still resigned Harris that year to play the same position, signing milsap instead of harris that year would have made this team much better, and then we still had AG as a trade asset or he would have learned alot from milsap
pepe1991 wrote:magicfan4life88 wrote:pepe1991 wrote:
His inability to understand how a build a team started long time before any of that. When he tried to sign Millsap who plays same position as Gordon who he drafted that year with 4th overall pick .
That's why he should have been fired last year. He simply didn't understand or value his assets high enough, so he sold them for nothing.
yes because they didnt believe at all that Gordon could play the 3, oh wait they did, yes it didnt work out but they obviously had a plan in place, fact is they still resigned Harris that year to play the same position, signing milsap instead of harris that year would have made this team much better, and then we still had AG as a trade asset or he would have learned alot from milsap
Plan was ***t to being with. Building around 30 years old borderline allstar . It's like rebuilding around Brook Lopez now.
magicfan4life88 wrote:pepe1991 wrote:magicfan4life88 wrote: yes because they didnt believe at all that Gordon could play the 3, oh wait they did, yes it didnt work out but they obviously had a plan in place, fact is they still resigned Harris that year to play the same position, signing milsap instead of harris that year would have made this team much better, and then we still had AG as a trade asset or he would have learned alot from milsap
Plan was ***t to being with. Building around 30 years old borderline allstar . It's like rebuilding around Brook Lopez now.
I'm done with this, feels like I'm arguing with a wall, you essentially are saying nothing back, not anything intelligent anyways
pepe1991 wrote:magicfan4life88 wrote:pepe1991 wrote:
TObias Harris was salary dump trade so Hennigan can salary space to sign non other than Jeff Green and failed in attemp to get Chandler Parsons. It's actually hard to decide who is worst, Green or Parsons.
definitely dont think his intention the whole time was so he could sign green, or even parsons, but to have cap room to entice someone to come over and unfortunateyl got stuck with what we got stuck with, remember hennigan never really let alot out so we dont even know how many free-agents turned us down, like barnes, batum, derozan, marvin williams(who would have been much better then JGreen) and Durant, guarentee they were all contacted and agents laughed at us
His inability to understand how a build a team started long time before any of that. When he tried to sign Millsap who plays same position as Gordon who he drafted that year with 4th overall pick .
That's why he should have been fired last year. He simply didn't understand or value his assets high enough, so he sold them for nothing.
RickB-Orlando wrote:pepe1991 wrote:magicfan4life88 wrote: definitely dont think his intention the whole time was so he could sign green, or even parsons, but to have cap room to entice someone to come over and unfortunateyl got stuck with what we got stuck with, remember hennigan never really let alot out so we dont even know how many free-agents turned us down, like barnes, batum, derozan, marvin williams(who would have been much better then JGreen) and Durant, guarentee they were all contacted and agents laughed at us
His inability to understand how a build a team started long time before any of that. When he tried to sign Millsap who plays same position as Gordon who he drafted that year with 4th overall pick .
That's why he should have been fired last year. He simply didn't understand or value his assets high enough, so he sold them for nothing.
Hindsight is always 20/20. There were numerous posters who argued that AG would be superior at the 3 rather than the 4 back as far as 2015. Only this past season was that experiment tried and the theory refuted.
pepe1991 wrote:magicfan4life88 wrote:pepe1991 wrote:
TObias Harris was salary dump trade so Hennigan can salary space to sign non other than Jeff Green and failed in attemp to get Chandler Parsons. It's actually hard to decide who is worst, Green or Parsons.
definitely dont think his intention the whole time was so he could sign green, or even parsons, but to have cap room to entice someone to come over and unfortunateyl got stuck with what we got stuck with, remember hennigan never really let alot out so we dont even know how many free-agents turned us down, like barnes, batum, derozan, marvin williams(who would have been much better then JGreen) and Durant, guarentee they were all contacted and agents laughed at us
His inability to understand how a build a team started long time before any of that. When he tried to sign Millsap who plays same position as Gordon who he drafted that year with 4th overall pick .
That's why he should have been fired last year. He simply didn't understand or value his assets high enough, so he sold them for nothing.
pepe1991 wrote:RickB-Orlando wrote:pepe1991 wrote:
His inability to understand how a build a team started long time before any of that. When he tried to sign Millsap who plays same position as Gordon who he drafted that year with 4th overall pick .
That's why he should have been fired last year. He simply didn't understand or value his assets high enough, so he sold them for nothing.
Hindsight is always 20/20. There were numerous posters who argued that AG would be superior at the 3 rather than the 4 back as far as 2015. Only this past season was that experiment tried and the theory refuted.
IMO Gordon was always PF prospect. Simply not good enough ballhandling,passing or shooting for SF.
RickB-Orlando wrote:pepe1991 wrote:magicfan4life88 wrote: definitely dont think his intention the whole time was so he could sign green, or even parsons, but to have cap room to entice someone to come over and unfortunateyl got stuck with what we got stuck with, remember hennigan never really let alot out so we dont even know how many free-agents turned us down, like barnes, batum, derozan, marvin williams(who would have been much better then JGreen) and Durant, guarentee they were all contacted and agents laughed at us
His inability to understand how a build a team started long time before any of that. When he tried to sign Millsap who plays same position as Gordon who he drafted that year with 4th overall pick .
That's why he should have been fired last year. He simply didn't understand or value his assets high enough, so he sold them for nothing.
Hindsight is always 20/20. There were numerous posters who argued that AG would be superior at the 3 rather than the 4 back as far as 2015. Only this past season was that experiment tried and the theory refuted.
RickB-Orlando wrote:pepe1991 wrote:RickB-Orlando wrote:
Hindsight is always 20/20. There were numerous posters who argued that AG would be superior at the 3 rather than the 4 back as far as 2015. Only this past season was that experiment tried and the theory refuted.
IMO Gordon was always PF prospect. Simply not good enough ballhandling,passing or shooting for SF.
And again, there were many others (not you, as you say) that claimed AG was the perfect fit for the SF spot.
Personally I always thought he had the potential to be a Blake Griffin Light at the 4, which he sort of showed at the end of last season (albeit with less rebounding).
SOUL wrote:Blue_and_Whte wrote:Cant handle a coach telling them to sit their sorry asses down when they're playing like crap.
The only guy that complained about that role was Vuc, the player you defend with 100% conviction.
Jameerthefear wrote:RickB-Orlando wrote:pepe1991 wrote:
IMO Gordon was always PF prospect. Simply not good enough ballhandling,passing or shooting for SF.
And again, there were many others (not you, as you say) that claimed AG was the perfect fit for the SF spot.
Personally I always thought he had the potential to be a Blake Griffin Light at the 4, which he sort of showed at the end of last season (albeit with less rebounding).
In his defense he kind of addressed that. Rob misjudged his assets, I think that's fair to say
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SF_Warriors wrote:Jameerthefear wrote:RickB-Orlando wrote:
And again, there were many others (not you, as you say) that claimed AG was the perfect fit for the SF spot.
Personally I always thought he had the potential to be a Blake Griffin Light at the 4, which he sort of showed at the end of last season (albeit with less rebounding).
In his defense he kind of addressed that. Rob misjudged his assets, I think that's fair to say
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When they traded for ibaka there were a lot of posters on the gen board (both magic fans and fans of other teams) that said AG is not a nba small forward and personally it was quite obvious.
Now some posters did think AG could be a small forward but they were the minority.
However, for a GM who has the abilityto watch a guy play/practice in person so much, and to grossly misjudge his potential is very concerning. Magic are better off without henny. You got guys on this board with nothing else but league pass at the most that could easily tell that AG couldnt play the 3.
SOUL wrote:Blue_and_Whte wrote:Cant handle a coach telling them to sit their sorry asses down when they're playing like crap.
The only guy that complained about that role was Vuc, the player you defend with 100% conviction.