Luka Doncic

[Bob8]

Doncic has only one big problem, he's playing in 3 class better competition than all black americans play. He would have look great in high school against school kids. Put any 2018 draft prospect in Euroleague and they will look slow, with no ISO ability and unable to finish around the rim. Even many Nba players would have that kind of problems, because the game, rules and courts are different.

[UcanUwill]

Doncic has only one big problem, he's playing in 3 class better competition than all black americans play. He would have look great in high school against school kids. Put any 2018 draft prospect in Euroleague and they will look slow, with no ISO ability and unable to finish around the rim. Even many Nba players would have that kind of problems, because the game, rules and courts are different.

I know Euroleague competition is landslide better than American college/highschool competition, but I wouldn't be so absolute in such statements. I am not very familiar with American highschool prospects, but top guys I know would definitely not look slow and incapable of finishing. Yeah, they would probably struggle, but thats beside the point. Doncic is slowish and thats a legit gripe, these type of responses are just lame.

[Ettorefm]

Doncic has only one big problem, he's playing in 3 class better competition than all black americans play. He would have look great in high school against school kids. Put any 2018 draft prospect in Euroleague and they will look slow, with no ISO ability and unable to finish around the rim. Even many Nba players would have that kind of problems, because the game, rules and courts are different.

I know Euroleague competition is landslide better than American college/highschool competition, but I wouldn't be so absolute in such statements. I am not very familiar with American highschool prospects, but top guys I know would definitely not look slow and incapable of finishing. Yeah, they would probably struggle, but thats beside the point. Doncic is slowish and thats a legit gripe, these type of responses are just lame.

Agreed. De'aaron fox would be exposed for his lack of shooting FOR SURE, for example, and teams could contain him just by playing zone, but he's able to beat ANYONE in Europe off the drible. And he's not John Wall athletic, he's pretty fast.

Zone, european style, grit and grind, physical play, that doesn't stop dudes from blowing by slower defenders (which in the case of the top prospects in the US at 18, it means everyone is slower aside from NBA players).

Markelle Fultz is still 18. Would he dominate in Europe? Absolutely not. Dude is too raw and weak, of course not. He would be just okay. But no single defender could stop him, and he's not that elite athletically.

The point is, if Doncic can't blow by 6'8 white dudes with mediocre athleticism, how is he going to play in the NBA against the most athletic position in the league (for its size, I mean) AND THE BEST DEFENDERS?

As he can't guard PG or SG, he'd have to play SF defensively and face these guys on offense and defense

Lebron, Giannis, Kawhi, Butler, PG, Durant, Draymond, Hayward, Barnes, Wiggins, MKG, Porter, Iguodala, Crowder...

And you have the next generation of athletic freaks such as Jaylen Brown, Ben Simmons, Brandon Ingram, and the future players like Josh Jackson.

And to those who think it's open season on Doncic, people say the same thing about other prospects. Tatum is a great prospect, but nobody would be as much of a fanboy to say that his first step and lateral quickness are going to improve as he becomes a pro. This is as quick as he's going to get; maybe better in general because he's going to work out with NBA coaches and well...PEDs...

There is a reason why Tatum is compared to Tobias Harris and Rudy Gay and not Kevin Durant; we all know this is who he is athletically, and he'll never be better. The difference is that everyone agrees, even Tatum fans. On the other hand, some Doncic fans have this wet dream that his defensive and athletic shortcomings are everyone else's fault but his - it's the coach, the style, the strong players, the competition, age, bad decisions...never the player itself.

[Bob8]

Doncic has only one big problem, he's playing in 3 class better competition than all black americans play. He would have look great in high school against school kids. Put any 2018 draft prospect in Euroleague and they will look slow, with no ISO ability and unable to finish around the rim. Even many Nba players would have that kind of problems, because the game, rules and courts are different.

I know Euroleague competition is landslide better than American college/highschool competition, but I wouldn't be so absolute in such statements. I am not very familiar with American highschool prospects, but top guys I know would definitely not look slow and incapable of finishing. Yeah, they would probably struggle, but thats beside the point. Doncic is slowish and thats a legit gripe, these type of responses are just lame.

Agreed. De'aaron fox would be exposed for his lack of shooting FOR SURE, for example, and teams could contain him just by playing zone, but he's able to beat ANYONE in Europe off the drible. And he's not John Wall athletic, he's pretty fast.

Zone, european style, grit and grind, physical play, that doesn't stop dudes from blowing by slower defenders (which in the case of the top prospects in the US at 18, it means everyone is slower aside from NBA players).

Markelle Fultz is still 18. Would he dominate in Europe? Absolutely not. Dude is too raw and weak, of course not. He would be just okay. But no single defender could stop him, and he's not that elite athletically.

The point is, if Doncic can't blow by 6'8 white dudes with mediocre athleticism, how is he going to play in the NBA against the most athletic position in the league (for its size, I mean) AND THE BEST DEFENDERS? (SF)

Than I'm a little bit suprice that no former NCAA star or former Nba player can dominate in Euroleague or at least beat his defender and finish on the rim every time he wants. What Nba players are doing when beating his defender is traveling every time in Europe. Please tell me, what kind of numbers would Fultz have in Euroleague?

[Ettorefm]

Than I'm a little bit suprice that no former NCAA star or former Nba player can dominate in Euroleague

Considering I never said that (and went out of my way to say in no way Fultz would dominate, at most he would be okay, but probably just mediocre as basketball is more than just driving to the hoop and experience matters), I see no point in answering you. Just read my previous post

[Bob8]

Doncic has only one big problem, he's playing in 3 class better competition than all black americans play. He would have look great in high school against school kids. Put any 2018 draft prospect in Euroleague and they will look slow, with no ISO ability and unable to finish around the rim. Even many Nba players would have that kind of problems, because the game, rules and courts are different.

I know Euroleague competition is landslide better than American college/highschool competition, but I wouldn't be so absolute in such statements. I am not very familiar with American highschool prospects, but top guys I know would definitely not look slow and incapable of finishing. Yeah, they would probably struggle, but thats beside the point. Doncic is slowish and thats a legit gripe, these type of responses are just lame.

Slowish for 18 years old Sf or slowish for adult Nba Pg?;)

[Ettorefm]

Doncic has only one big problem, he's playing in 3 class better competition than all black americans play. He would have look great in high school against school kids. Put any 2018 draft prospect in Euroleague and they will look slow, with no ISO ability and unable to finish around the rim. Even many Nba players would have that kind of problems, because the game, rules and courts are different.

I know Euroleague competition is landslide better than American college/highschool competition, but I wouldn't be so absolute in such statements. I am not very familiar with American highschool prospects, but top guys I know would definitely not look slow and incapable of finishing. Yeah, they would probably struggle, but thats beside the point. Doncic is slowish and thats a legit gripe, these type of responses are just lame.

Slowish for 18 years old Sf or slowish for adoult Nba Pg?;)

He's never, EVER going to play PG in the NBa. Are you serious?

[Bob8]

Than I'm a little bit suprice that no former NCAA star or former Nba player can dominate in Euroleague

Considering I never said that (and went out of my way to say in no way Fultz would dominate, at most he would be okay, but probably just mediocre as basketball is more than just driving to the hoop and experience matters), I see no point in answering you. Just read my previous post

I'm not saying only Fultz, but no one adult former NCAA star or Nba player.

[Bob8]

I know Euroleague competition is landslide better than American college/highschool competition, but I wouldn't be so absolute in such statements. I am not very familiar with American highschool prospects, but top guys I know would definitely not look slow and incapable of finishing. Yeah, they would probably struggle, but thats beside the point. Doncic is slowish and thats a legit gripe, these type of responses are just lame.

Slowish for 18 years old Sf or slowish for adoult Nba Pg?;)

He's never, EVER going to play PG in the NBa. Are you serious?

that's my point.

[Ettorefm]

Slowish for 18 years old Sf or slowish for adoult Nba Pg?;)

He's never, EVER going to play PG in the NBa. Are you serious?

that's my point.

So he's going to be a SF? The most athletic position on average and the one with the best defenders in the league?

[Bob8]

He's never, EVER going to play PG in the NBa. Are you serious?

that's my point.

So he's going to be a SF? The most athletic position on average and the one with the best defenders in the league?

I don't know what he will be, but I'm sure we can't compare him with Pg's. And I'm even more sure that he will be physically totally different player in 5 years time.

[Ettorefm]

Considering I never said that (and went out of my way to say in no way Fultz would dominate, at most he would be okay, but probably just mediocre as basketball is more than just driving to the hoop and experience matters), I see no point in answering you. Just read my previous post

I'm not saying only Fultz, but no one adult former NCAA star or Nba player.

Good NBA players stay in the NBA. Even bad NBA players tend to prefer the D-league than Europe, and those who go to europe are clearly below average, as they couldn't stay in the league.

I'm not one of those people who say that non-NBA players would dominate in Europe. Of course not. That 's not how it works.

Nobody expects Doncic to do it either. I just want to see his skillset so we can project how he's going to translate to NBA basketball. And years, decades of experience show us a pattern; dudes who can't guard their position or can't score 1 on 1 don't end up being more than average starters or role players.

I think Doncic will be a very good player

[Rasho Brezec]

On the other hand, some Doncic fans have this wet dream that his defensive and athletic shortcomings are everyone else's fault but his - it's the coach, the style, the strong players, the competition, age, bad decisions...never the player itself.

His athletic shortcomings are nobody's fault. That's just genetics.

[Bob8]

Considering I never said that (and went out of my way to say in no way Fultz would dominate, at most he would be okay, but probably just mediocre as basketball is more than just driving to the hoop and experience matters), I see no point in answering you. Just read my previous post

I'm not saying only Fultz, but no one adult former NCAA star or Nba player.

Good NBA players stay in the NBA. Even bad NBA players tend to prefer the D-league than Europe, and those who go to europe are clearly below average, as they couldn't stay in the league.

I'm not one of those people who say that non-NBA players would dominate in Europe. Of course not. That 's not how it works.

Nobody expects Doncic to do it either. I just want to see his skillset so we can project how he's going to translate to NBA basketball. And years, decades of experience show us a pattern; dudes who can't guard their position or can't score 1 on 1 don't end up being more than average starters or role players.

I think Doncic will be a very good player

How we know that he won't guard his position or frequently score 1 on 1 in 2 years time? You have to understand he's only player who regularly plays in Euroleague and is under 20. He can do whatever he wants in under 18 competition, he has done that when he was 15 years old. Someone here is talking about Doncic like he's a grown man. He's still a high school kid. And it's very likely he will improve in every aspect of the game. If he won't..., but normally 18 years old players improve physically, develop more skills and gain experience.

[agentofatlas]

I don't think he'll have problems getting past defenders in offense since he looks like he can handle himself in the pick and roll. Second, he looks to be a good outside shooter and that more or less creates speed. Would like to see more volume scoring from him though but I doubt that happens in where he is playing now.

My only real concern is probably defense but then again I don't think he'll be the primary wing defender. Also he won't be a point in the NBA. He'll either be and SG or a SF. Can he play some spot PF mins? If he can then his value is even better.

[WalterBenjamin]

He seems to be an excellent passer and pick and roll player. If he can shoot decent out of pick and roll he will be a great NBA player. He has the passing. What will open the floor for him is the question. Kind of like Hawyard has become great because his shooting of the dribble has become elite.
Hayward with better passing skills is a nuber one pick.

[reanimator]

Its been stated that if Doncic somehow gets a pull up game, or becomes a good finisher, or develops a post game then his prospects go from great utility guy to offensive anchor....but you can say similar things about most high-end lottery picks.

[Johnny Firpo]

Black American players with slow feet, no ISO ability and an inability to finish around the rim don't get criticized?

First of all, all of these so called flaws are exaggerated. He is not particularly slow for a small forward, he is actually quite good at ISOs for his age, and he is also above average at finishing around the rim. Even if you are right - which you are not -, your opinion just blatantly ignores the fact that he plays against infinitely superior (both physically and skill-wise) competition than any American high schooler, or college player for that matter. You can't ignore this. Well, I guess you can, it just makes you look ignorant.

[Johnny Firpo]

from great utility guy

Let's point out though that this is your prognosis, and not a whole lot of scouts or players agree with you on it. You could be right, of course, but right now there is nothing objectively clear about it. You never know how a player develops, heck, he could decide to never come over to the NBA, but based on his already existing, developed skills, there is no way he can't be more than a utility guy.

[reanimator]

Black American players with slow feet, no ISO ability and an inability to finish around the rim don't get criticized?

First of all, all of these so called flaws are exaggerated. He is not particularly slow for a small forward, he is actually quite good at ISOs for his age, and he is also above average at finishing around the rim.

Agree to disagree