Trade Post-Mortem 2017: Eight is Enough

[Banks2Pierce]

He's going to be more expensive over the long haul but Bradley reinforcing over and over again he's a much better player than Crowder.

AB's had great games 3 and 5, but I'm not seeing this at all.

[BigTrade92]

He's going to be more expensive over the long haul but Bradley reinforcing over and over again he's a much better player than Crowder.

AB's had great games 3 and 5, but I'm not seeing this at all.

Crowder has done virtually nothing this entire series.

His shooting is abysmal and is getting abused defensively by Wade.

Meanwhile Bradley has been the second best scorer on the C's behind Isaiah and has locked down Butler in 4 out of the 6 games, one of the two because he was in foul trouble for cheap, cheap calls.

Bradley has clearly been the second best player on the team, while Crowder has easily been one of the worst, and the most obvious disappointment.

[klemen4]

We all like AB, but we just can not afford both it and ab getting payed combined more than 50 million. Then there is also smart. I see us keeping both only if we are unable to get griffin/Hayward or trade for George/Butler.

We could return with a same team plus Brooklyn 17 pick, Zizic, yabu and Nader if we strike out in fa.

It/brk 17/ rozier
Ab/smart
Crowder/brown/nader
Olynyk/yabu
Horford/zizic

We would need improvements from basically everyone to be a better serious threat to Cleveland.
Brown should improve, Brooklyn should have impact, Zizic on defense and rebounding...

Sure would be fun seeing all the youngsters play off the bench.

[Banks2Pierce]

Crowder has done virtually nothing this entire series.

I'm on board valuing the playoffs over the regular season, but you can't just throw out the entire sample of 82 games. Especially as Crowder's issues have been behind the arc and that's where he does a lot of his damage on offense. And 3 point shooting is majorly susceptible to sample size nonsense.

Wade isn't really doing anything. Nor is Mirotic when we go small. Crowder's boss. I'll die on the Crowder and Olynyk being very good hill.

[TheOGJabroni]

Brooklyn 17 for Zinger?

Wow I must overrate Zinger ...no way I'm doing that if I'm NY

I don't think they do either & I don't think the C's do if it falls #1. If it falls 2-4, I would trade the pick, our own pick next year & Crowder (reports Jackson likes him) for KP; we add another really enticing prospect who's already performing at a terrific level & can pair with Al. Sign Hayward & roll with:

Thomas / Rozier
Bradley / Smart
Hayward / Brown
Porzingis / Yabusele
Horford / Zizic

[165bows]

Crowder has done virtually nothing this entire series.

I'm on board valuing the playoffs over the regular season, but you can't just throw out the entire sample of 82 games. Especially as Crowder's issues have been behind the arc and that's where he does a lot of his damage on offense. And 3 point shooting is majorly susceptible to sample size nonsense.

Wade isn't really doing anything. Nor is Mirotic when we go small. Crowder's boss. I'll die on the Crowder and Olynyk being very good hill.

I've been a big fan of Crowder all along, I think it is just clear in my own mind that Bradley is the superior player. Not only has he been better on offense, he's guarded the other team's best player the entire game.

The advantage Crowder has on this team is that they are thin at SF compared to guard, and his cheap, long-term contract.

But in terms of who is the actual better player, I don't see the answer being anything other than Bradley.

[jmr07019]

And whatever Zingis says publicly, he seems to be really irritated with NY. The number 1 pick might be their ticket to save face and move on from last year's embarrassment.

exactly! hopefully they fire Phil and we can send them #1 for Zinger and they can get a fresh start. Fultz is easy to market and if you give him 30 mpg and 15+ FGA he'll put up 20 ppg and put buts in seats

I love that Kristaps is upset with how the Knicks are being run. Shows he cares about winning. I think he'd be much better with competent coaching and not trying to run the triangle lol

[Celts17Pride]

Crowder is a one trick pony. Crowder either hits the three point shot or he is useless. His mid range game is awful and he is even worst taking the ball to the hoop. Nice role player but that's it.

If Ainge can package Crowder, Smart and the Brooklyn 2018 pick for a star he should do it in a heartbeat.

[Curmudgeon]

I don't think Porzingis for #1 is all that far-fetched. I've read in a couple of places that Phil covets Fultz. Maybe it's just hype, but maybe not.

My proposed draft night trade would be Olynyk, rights to Yabusele or Nader and #1 for Porzingis and #7. I think that helps both teams.

[sam_I_am]

I don't think Porzingis for #1 is all that far-fetched. I've read in a couple of places that Phil covets Fultz. Maybe it's just hype, but maybe not.

My proposed draft night trade would be Olynyk, rights to Yabusele or Nader and #1 for Porzingis and #7. I think that helps both teams.

I'd do that in a heartbeat.... but Kelly is a free agent and Knicks can't give up KP and 7. If this trade happens it will be Melo and KP for Amir/Sign and trade KO/Jae/#1. Maybe you could get 7 back in your scenario if you gave Jaylen Brown instead of Nader/Yabs

[Curmudgeon]

Olynyk is restricted, so the Knicks can always keep him if they want. As for Brown, yes, I'd probably do it.

[jmr07019]

I don't think Porzingis for #1 is all that far-fetched. I've read in a couple of places that Phil covets Fultz. Maybe it's just hype, but maybe not.

My proposed draft night trade would be Olynyk, rights to Yabusele or Nader and #1 for Porzingis and #7. I think that helps both teams.

I'd do that in a heartbeat.... but Kelly is a free agent and Knicks can't give up KP and 7. If this trade happens it will be Melo and KP for Amir/Sign and trade KO/Jae/#1. Maybe you could get 7 back in your scenario if you gave Jaylen Brown instead of Nader/Yabs

I wouldn't pull the trigger on the deal on draft night if Melo is coming back. If we strike out in Hayward then I don't mind getting Melo back but we gotta take our shot

[Curmudgeon]

My trade proposal had nothing to do with Melo.

[Valid]

The Knicks aren't trading Porzingis, guys. Their fans would absolutely revolt if they even entertained the idea.

[Curmudgeon]

The Knicks aren't trading Porzingis, guys. Their fans would absolutely revolt if they even entertained the idea.

Meh. They would fall in love with Fultz. Remember they booed when Porzingis was selected.

[Darth Celtic]

Olynyk is restricted, so the Knicks can always keep him if they want. As for Brown, yes, I'd probably do it.

NBA doesn't work that way. KO can't be traded until after the draft as it would have to be a sign and trade.

[Valid]

The Knicks aren't trading Porzingis, guys. Their fans would absolutely revolt if they even entertained the idea.

Meh. They would fall in love with Fultz. Remember they booed when Porzingis was selected.

And? They love him now. You think Knicks fans are gonna say, "Well, it's okay that we are trading one of the best young studs in the league because we booed him on draft day?"

Porzingis is the brightest star New York has had since Patrick Ewing. They aren't moving him.

[Edug27]

I don't think Porzingis for #1 is all that far-fetched. I've read in a couple of places that Phil covets Fultz. Maybe it's just hype, but maybe not.

My proposed draft night trade would be Olynyk, rights to Yabusele or Nader and #1 for Porzingis and #7. I think that helps both teams.

Phil would never be able to show his face at the Garden again.

[Valid]

I don't think Porzingis for #1 is all that far-fetched. I've read in a couple of places that Phil covets Fultz. Maybe it's just hype, but maybe not.

My proposed draft night trade would be Olynyk, rights to Yabusele or Nader and #1 for Porzingis and #7. I think that helps both teams.

Phil would never be able to show his face at the Garden again.

Yeah. All of this Porzingis speculation is silly. It's not happening. The only way Phil would trade Porzingis is if he gets a bona fide superstar in return, and even then he would probably have to think about it.

[bucknersrevenge]

I'd at least try to tempt him. BKN 17, rights to Yabusele, and Jae for KP and O'Quinn. Even if it was the #1 I'd do it. Unlikely Phil bails this early but I'd offer.