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Post#1701 » by ampd » Sat Apr 22, 2017 7:04 am

xTitan wrote:I think this is actually pretty huge....I agree with everyone who questions Kidd as a game day coach, lots to be desired, but when it comes to player development he gets huge marks for Zgiannis, Thon, Middleton, and Parker to a certain extent.

Mark Stein said today the Kidd is working hard to get Dirk's shooting coach to work all summer with Giannis, he seems to believe Kidd will pull this off, this will be huge.


It would not surprise me at all if Giannis came back next year raining 3s :lol:
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Post#1702 » by TheAttckRack » Sat Apr 22, 2017 7:11 am

**** Ya. Love the Freak. What an athlete! The layups from the 3 point line are particularly incredible. Just has to keep growing as a player. Can go down as an All-Timer.
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Post#1703 » by HKPackFan » Sat Apr 22, 2017 9:09 am

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Giannis has developed very well for yet another season. Got some more lean muscle weight without losing explosiveness, balance or speed, learned how to play in a more physical way both in offense and defense, and it much more difficult to guard now, than last year.

The team has started to properly incorporate his physical attributes into half court strategy too. Due to the penetration danger that Giannis presents, opposing teams have to either give him space for rim protection or to double team. The Bucks are starting to use this to their advantage, with Giannis forcing the double team to expose an unopposed assist to the perimeter.

The next stage is to eliminate the space given by the opposing defense, by having Giannis develop a dependable JS from range. I'm pretty sure that Giannis is going to focus on this during the off-season.

And if he masters it, he will be a truly terrifying all around player. With no weaknesses left.



Listening to the raptors feed I think game 2. Giannis hit some jumpers. They were like, if Giannis can hit that shot, it's not just trouble for the raptors, but the whole league.
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Post#1704 » by Dante80 » Sat Apr 22, 2017 10:17 am

HKPackFan wrote:Listening to the raptors feed I think game 2. Giannis hit some jumpers. They were like, if Giannis can hit that shot, it's not just trouble for the raptors, but the whole league.


It is a matter of both confidence and practice. Giannis came to the league with a respectable 3pt and JS ability. Then he continued to grow for another year, bulked up considerably and had some problems adjusting this particular aspect of his game.

As I said in my previous post, I expect him to focus on this going forward. And, given his work ethic, I think he has a chance to succeed.
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Post#1705 » by Pachinko_ » Sat Apr 22, 2017 12:23 pm

ampd wrote:
xTitan wrote:I think this is actually pretty huge....I agree with everyone who questions Kidd as a game day coach, lots to be desired, but when it comes to player development he gets huge marks for Zgiannis, Thon, Middleton, and Parker to a certain extent.

Mark Stein said today the Kidd is working hard to get Dirk's shooting coach to work all summer with Giannis, he seems to believe Kidd will pull this off, this will be huge.


It would not surprise me at all if Giannis came back next year raining 3s :lol:

Holger Geschwindner is not a "shooting coach", he was Dirk's development coach on everything from conditioning to dribbling, and was also his mentor off the court and his agent at some point. He doesn't just teach to shoot. And you don't have to try too hard to work with him, it's his job, he travels the world to teach basketball and he also has a basketball camp in Germany that lots of young players join every summer.

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Post#1706 » by HKPackFan » Thu Apr 27, 2017 4:52 am

Who knew the New Yorker of all publications would write an article about Giannis.

I'm guessing that means, he's arrived.

http://www.newyorker.com/news/sporting-scene/trying-to-describe-giannis-antetokounmpo

Late in the Milwaukee Bucks’ close second-game loss to the Toronto Raptors, on Tuesday night, the team’s sui-generis star Giannis Antetokounmpo backed his way toward the basket, along the baseline. His defender, Raptors forward P. J. Tucker, buttressed himself, but Antetokounmpo, all roughly seven feet of him, nimbly spun and charged the hoop. Tucker, a good and muscular defender, kept pace, forcing Antetokounmpo behind the basket—but Antetokounmpo spun again, and extended one cartoonishly long arm to flick the ball into the basket as his body sailed in the other direction. Tucker was called for a foul on the play. “He is one step away from being able to dunk the ball from almost anywhere on the court,” Tucker had said after the first game in the series, which the Bucks handily and unexpectedly won. (Milwaukee is the No. 6 seed; Toronto, No. 3.) At one point in that first game, Antetokounmpo got a high screen, drove, and then dunked over Tucker’s teammate Serge Ibaka. Hanging from the rim post-dunk, his right shoe simultaneously touched the floor.

This past season, Antetokounmpo led his team in points, rebounds, assists, steals, and blocked shots, a feat that only four previous players have managed. But with Antetokounmpo, it is not so much about the numbers as it is the sheer sense of improbability one has while watching him play. That sense, along with his country of origin and the challenge of pronouncing his last name, led to Antetokounmpo’s nickname, the Greek Freak—though lately that moniker has mostly given way among basketball fans to a simple first-name basis: Giannis. “The basketball world has always been compelled by big people who can move gracefully,” Sports Illustrated’s Lee Jenkins, who wrote a January cover story about Antetokounmpo, said recently. “And what’s going on right now is you have big people who are really moving more gracefully than they ever have before—not necessarily sure why that is—and he seems to be the prime example.”

Jenkins was thinking of the Knicks’ Kristaps Porzingis, Anthony Davis of the New Orleans Pelicans, Karl Anthony Towns of the Minnesota Timberwolves, and the injured 76er center Joel Embiid. All of them have lately been called “unicorns,” a label that seeks to capture their almost mythical rarity. But that term starts to lose its meaning when you apply it to five or six young players at a time. Antetokounmpo is the only one of this cohort who regularly handles the duties of a point guard, bringing the ball up the court, creating shots for his teammates. “I don’t think there’s really anyone else like him,” the Bucks’ reserve point guard, Matthew Dellavedova—who, at six-four, has more familiar dimensions for the position—told me earlier this season. “I don’t think you’ll see someone in the exact mold of Giannis.”

The ineffability of Giannis’s play hasn’t discouraged those intent on describing it, but it has posed a challenge. Two years ago, for Grantland, Zach Lowe wrote that, “on any given possession, the Greek Freak can look like he knows nothing and everything at once. He is an empty vessel, and in a blink, he is one vision of modern basketball fulfilled.” In January of this year, after Antetokounmpo hit a contested turnaround at the buzzer against the Knicks, in Madison Square Garden, Jay Caspian Kang wrote, in the Times Magazine, that it was “as if T-1000 from ‘Terminator 2’ had challenged a Wang computer to a jumping contest.” Following Game 1 against Toronto, Tim Bontemps, of the Washington Post, made a more familiar pop-culture comparison: Inspector Gadget, with his go-go bionic limbs.

Antetokounmpo was drafted by Milwaukee with the fifteenth pick, in 2013, at just eighteen years old, and two and a half inches shorter than he is now. Last February, the Bucks coach Jason Kidd, who was himself one of the league’s great point guards, began experimenting with Antetokounmpo at his own former position. The Bucks, a losing team, had room to experiment. And, as with all things basketball-related, Antetokounmpo took to the task with astonishing immediacy. “You hear about all the ten thousand hours, but this guy sort of flies in the face of all that,” Jenkins said, alluding to the popular conviction that reaching an exhaustive threshold of practice results in expertise. “These guys are sometimes born more than made.” Another Bucks point guard, the six-two Jason Terry, who is an eighteen-year N.B.A. veteran, put it similarly, when I visited the team’s locker room in February: “Someone like him is God-given, heaven-sent.”

An angel, a unicorn, a T-1000, a freak, an empty vessel: in every description of Antetokounmpo, one can sense the strain of people trying to put into words a sight they haven’t seen before. On Thursday night, I went to a pub outside Milwaukee to watch Game 3 of the series, against Toronto, and I asked a few of the fans there if they could do any better than the flailing sportswriters. “He plays like a little guy, but he’s seven feet tall,” Brad Lauterbach, a local cabinetmaker who was watching with his wife, Kate, said. Others described Antetokounmpo, whose parents immigrated to Greece when they couldn’t find any work in Nigeria, and who signed a contract worth a hundred million dollars earlier this season, as humble.

In front of a clamorous home crowd, the Bucks pulled ahead early, and their lead ballooned to as much as thirty-two points in the first half. They won by twenty-seven. Giannis put up unremarkable numbers, scoring nineteen points, but they were enough. Late in the third quarter, the Raptors guard Norman Powell drove past Antetokounmpo—and then, with one outsized stride, Antetokounmpo caught up with him just as he torqued his body for a layup. Powell released the ball, and Antetokounmpo sent it flying into the stands. Lauterbach, the cabinetmaker, enjoyed it. “He’s a little man in a big man’s body,” he said.
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Re: Giannis' Development part 3 - SI Cover/Article - Page 35 

Post#1707 » by chonestown » Thu Apr 27, 2017 3:30 pm

https://sports.vice.com/en_us/article/the-unlikely-story-of-spiros-velliniatis-the-coach-who-discovered-giannis-antetokounmpo

Giannis Antetokounmpo's success story wasn't actualized solely because of his talent and physical skill, but also because of his character. "Giannis wasn't a child back then. He'd had to survive since the day he was born. He was a desperate child when I met him, but he still had [his wits about him]. His eyes were sparkling, but he was ruthless. It made him a very tough person, and that's obvious in his game. When he roughs someone up, that 'feeling of hunger' is awakened. He feels that, if he doesn't crush—in sports terms—his opponent on the court, he's not going to earn his daily bread. [He] went through a lot of difficulties, and that steeled him. He wasn't unnerved by the daily hunger and hard routine of a Nigerian family living in Sepolia. That's the biggest legacy career: Giannis' true coach is his own life."
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Post#1708 » by MoreTrife » Thu Apr 27, 2017 8:48 pm

chonestown wrote:https://sports.vice.com/en_us/article/the-unlikely-story-of-spiros-velliniatis-the-coach-who-discovered-giannis-antetokounmpo

Giannis Antetokounmpo's success story wasn't actualized solely because of his talent and physical skill, but also because of his character. "Giannis wasn't a child back then. He'd had to survive since the day he was born. He was a desperate child when I met him, but he still had [his wits about him]. His eyes were sparkling, but he was ruthless. It made him a very tough person, and that's obvious in his game. When he roughs someone up, that 'feeling of hunger' is awakened. He feels that, if he doesn't crush—in sports terms—his opponent on the court, he's not going to earn his daily bread. [He] went through a lot of difficulties, and that steeled him. He wasn't unnerved by the daily hunger and hard routine of a Nigerian family living in Sepolia. That's the biggest legacy career: Giannis' true coach is his own life."



Pretty humorous at the end of the article Spiros mentions that there was a verbal agreement for 7% of Giannis's first contract.
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Post#1709 » by emunney » Thu Apr 27, 2017 10:27 pm

chonestown wrote:https://sports.vice.com/en_us/article/the-unlikely-story-of-spiros-velliniatis-the-coach-who-discovered-giannis-antetokounmpo

Giannis Antetokounmpo's success story wasn't actualized solely because of his talent and physical skill, but also because of his character. "Giannis wasn't a child back then. He'd had to survive since the day he was born. He was a desperate child when I met him, but he still had [his wits about him]. His eyes were sparkling, but he was ruthless. It made him a very tough person, and that's obvious in his game. When he roughs someone up, that 'feeling of hunger' is awakened. He feels that, if he doesn't crush—in sports terms—his opponent on the court, he's not going to earn his daily bread. [He] went through a lot of difficulties, and that steeled him. He wasn't unnerved by the daily hunger and hard routine of a Nigerian family living in Sepolia. That's the biggest legacy career: Giannis' true coach is his own life."

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Post#1710 » by HKPackFan » Fri Apr 28, 2017 5:32 am

MoreTrife wrote:
chonestown wrote:https://sports.vice.com/en_us/article/the-unlikely-story-of-spiros-velliniatis-the-coach-who-discovered-giannis-antetokounmpo

Giannis Antetokounmpo's success story wasn't actualized solely because of his talent and physical skill, but also because of his character. "Giannis wasn't a child back then. He'd had to survive since the day he was born. He was a desperate child when I met him, but he still had [his wits about him]. His eyes were sparkling, but he was ruthless. It made him a very tough person, and that's obvious in his game. When he roughs someone up, that 'feeling of hunger' is awakened. He feels that, if he doesn't crush—in sports terms—his opponent on the court, he's not going to earn his daily bread. [He] went through a lot of difficulties, and that steeled him. He wasn't unnerved by the daily hunger and hard routine of a Nigerian family living in Sepolia. That's the biggest legacy career: Giannis' true coach is his own life."



Pretty humorous at the end of the article Spiros mentions that there was a verbal agreement for 7% of Giannis's first contract.



Did things ends badly with Spiros?
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Post#1711 » by jakecronus8 » Fri Apr 28, 2017 5:39 am

Really hope this mess with the free throws doesn't mess with his head. Hate to see him go all nick Anderson.
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Post#1712 » by HKPackFan » Fri Apr 28, 2017 7:08 am

jakecronus8 wrote:Really hope this mess with the free throws doesn't mess with his head. Hate to see him go all nick Anderson.



Nah man. Giannis's character way too strong for that. This is part of his development. He's probably still shooting free throws at the cousins center right now.
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Post#1713 » by 3Diamantidis » Fri Apr 28, 2017 12:00 pm

Get rest.
Go in Germany for a couple of weeks and if you find time arrange some workouts with hakeem at houston.
Also, please do not make any "antetokounbros" and other stuff like this. Waste of time(just like the national team but i can't have one more convo regarding this so just do whatever you want)

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Post#1714 » by JustinCredible » Fri Apr 28, 2017 1:20 pm

I'm actually pretty pumped that the season ended with Giannis having a great game but also having some critical holes in his game that hurt us during the series. He is a monster but now he is going to be more motivated than ever to get that jumpshot consistent and to knock down FT's regardless of fatigue.

I wouldn't be shocked at all if he is above 35% on 3s next year and above 80% on FTs.

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Post#1715 » by Nightfall » Fri Apr 28, 2017 2:59 pm

The Greek Freak Falls Victim To His Achilles Heel

https://www.si.com/nba/2017/04/28/giannis-antetokounmpo-greek-freak-achilles-heel-nba-playoffs-bucks-raptors

The good:
With apologies to Russell Westbrook, James Harden and everyone else, the most important development of the 2016-17 season was Antetokounmpo’s dramatic ascent. The 22-year-old forward entered training camp as a potential first-time All-Star and heads into the off–season as the future face of the post-LeBron James Eastern Conference. Over the last six months, Antetokounmpo played every position, led Milwaukee in every meaningful statistical category, pulled in nearly one million All-Star votes, carried his franchise to the playoffs despite season-altering injuries to Khris Middleton and Jabari Parker, and established himself as the best player on either team in Milwaukee’s first-round series with Toronto. In a just world, Antetokounmpo would be recognized as the league’s Most Improved Player in a unanimous vote. It’s very, very difficult to be this good at basketball, but it’s damn near impossible to get this good at basketball so quickly.


The Bad
In the moment of truth, Antetokounmpo didn’t pull the trigger, opting instead to drive into an uncontested paint and toss home a dunk with just 3.5 seconds left on the clock. Hall of Famer Reggie Miller, speaking for the entire basketball viewing community, immediately questioned Antetokounmpo’s unwillingness to let it fly.
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Post#1716 » by yannisk » Fri Apr 28, 2017 5:15 pm

nba season is too short, now we have to wait 6 months to watch Giannis again
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Post#1717 » by miwaukee » Fri Apr 28, 2017 7:49 pm



question at the 5:12 mark is very interesting.
hope giannis wont play with his national team this summer and work on the 2 things he mentioned
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Post#1718 » by turbostef » Fri Apr 28, 2017 8:29 pm

Good lord stop it. Giannis will play with the NT. Period.

As will pau marc porzingis and everyone else

He want's to play and it will harm him like the previous years ;)

He will Come back better stronger and even more comitted

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Post#1719 » by AussieBuck » Sat Apr 29, 2017 1:07 am

Happy for Giannis to do the national team thing. He's going to be practicing being a leader and he's going to get a heap of jumpers up in game situations.
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Post#1720 » by MartyConlonOnTheRun » Sat Apr 29, 2017 1:28 am

miwaukee wrote:

question at the 5:12 mark is very interesting.
hope giannis wont play with his national team this summer and work on the 2 things he mentioned

What is he supposed to say? Work on layups and dunks?


He looks like boxer who just went ten rounds. Totally beat up.

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