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Johnny Firpo wrote:Ettorefm wrote:So he's going to be a SF? The most athletic position on average and the one with the best defenders in the league?
If Gallo can score 20 on 58%TS, and 19 on 62%TS, I'm not really worried about Doncic, who is quicker, has better handles, a better passer, and arguably a better shooter. But please, explain me Gallo then.
peja_the_legend wrote:Johnny Firpo wrote:Ettorefm wrote:So he's going to be a SF? The most athletic position on average and the one with the best defenders in the league?
If Gallo can score 20 on 58%TS, and 19 on 62%TS, I'm not really worried about Doncic, who is quicker, has better handles, a better passer, and arguably a better shooter. But please, explain me Gallo then.
Essentially you are claiming that Doncic is a better player than Gallinari right now.
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bagsboy wrote:For two hundred years Democrats stole the productive output of slaves and now they seek to enrich themselves with the productive output from the 'rich'. First, Republicans needed to end slavery and next they need to fix taxation with a flat fair tax.
UcanUwill wrote:Bob8 wrote:916fan wrote:Yes, you're exactly right. I think most of us are just wondering how he'll translate to the NBA level. No one is questioning his talent, or even doubting it. I don't want to start another chain reaction, but I think his official measured height at the combine will be very important. It will determine what position he plays and guards. Again, we will just have to see in a year from now. He is also still young and not done growing, so it's just a waiting game. No need to discuss that further.
NBA and Eurogame is very different. I am just judging him by how he will develop as a NBA player, not as a Euro player. I hope others can understand that and not take it the wrong way. He's a very exceptional young player for Real right now.
I understand all that, I'm not 100 % sure how he will look in Nba too. But there is one thing many don't want to understand or can't understand. Because of different rules, different defenses, different courts and different understandings how the game should be played, it's much easier to score in Nba than in Euroleague. Just look playoffs game Efes: Olympiacos, 64:60. How can anybody shine offensively in that kind of game? You're telling us he can't beat anybody with his first step. But the rules allows different first step in Nba than in Euroleague. In Euroleague defenses in many games look more similar to rugby games than Nba games. There are many offensive fouls called, that makes more difficult attacking the rim. Number of possession is much lower in Euroleague. Courts are bigger in Nba. In Euroleague any game in regular season counts. Pressure is big, coaches being fired after a bad month. You don't need to look what Doncic does, look at others. The best scorer in Euroleague has around 20 PPG. All others less than 20. 30 points in a game is very rare in Euroleague. Triple double was made only twice in 17 years, by the same player, 10 years ago. Doncic was very near that, with 10/11/8. Westbrook had triple double average this year.Put any Nba star in Euroleague and he won't look not nearly as impressive as in Nba. I agree we have to wait, how he will look in 2 or 3 years time in Nba.
I agree that Euro rules makes it harder to score, but the biggest reason, not the only one, but the biggest reason why NBa games are so high scoring in comparison, is not because of the different rules, but the fact NBA players are just so much better. NBA has by far the best slashers, shooters and finishers.
Look at scoring rates Nando De Colo puts up. Look at prime Bo McCalebb, they said slashing is ineffective in Europe, but he did pretty good job. Its all can be done in Europe if you good enough.
Ettorefm wrote:Essentially you are claiming that Doncic is a better player than Gallinari right now.
UcanUwill wrote:Watching Joe Ingles right now makes me way more confident about Doncic's chances in the league
bagsboy wrote:For two hundred years Democrats stole the productive output of slaves and now they seek to enrich themselves with the productive output from the 'rich'. First, Republicans needed to end slavery and next they need to fix taxation with a flat fair tax.
Bob8 wrote:I understand all that, I'm not 100 % sure how he will look in Nba too. But there is one thing many don't want to understand or can't understand. Because of different rules, different defenses, different courts and different understandings how the game should be played, it's much easier to score in Nba than in Euroleague. Just look playoffs game Efes: Olympiacos, 64:60. How can anybody shine offensively in that kind of game? You're telling us he can't beat anybody with his first step. But the rules allows different first step in Nba than in Euroleague. In Euroleague defenses in many games look more similar to rugby games than Nba games. There are many offensive fouls called, that makes more difficult attacking the rim. Number of possession is much lower in Euroleague. Courts are bigger in Nba. In Euroleague any game in regular season counts. Pressure is big, coaches being fired after a bad month. You don't need to look what Doncic does, look at others. The best scorer in Euroleague has around 20 PPG. All others less than 20. 30 points in a game is very rare in Euroleague. Triple double was made only twice in 17 years, by the same player, 10 years ago. Doncic was very near that, with 10/11/8. Westbrook had triple double average this year.
burek3 wrote:He will definitely have more freedom in NT at Eurobasket this year. It's a waiting game, we shall see.
Though nobody mentioned that he was MVP of the round this time in EL playoffs. Granted, he's sharing the title with Ayon and Dunston, and you guys seemingly don't like the PIR stat, but I think it's still quite a nice accomplishment.
Ettorefm wrote:UcanUwill wrote:Watching Joe Ingles right now makes me way more confident about Doncic's chances in the league
Agreed. Which is funny, because when I said Ingles is a good comparison, a guy laughed at me.
Mirotic12 wrote:Bob8 wrote:I understand all that, I'm not 100 % sure how he will look in Nba too. But there is one thing many don't want to understand or can't understand. Because of different rules, different defenses, different courts and different understandings how the game should be played, it's much easier to score in Nba than in Euroleague. Just look playoffs game Efes: Olympiacos, 64:60. How can anybody shine offensively in that kind of game? You're telling us he can't beat anybody with his first step. But the rules allows different first step in Nba than in Euroleague. In Euroleague defenses in many games look more similar to rugby games than Nba games. There are many offensive fouls called, that makes more difficult attacking the rim. Number of possession is much lower in Euroleague. Courts are bigger in Nba. In Euroleague any game in regular season counts. Pressure is big, coaches being fired after a bad month. You don't need to look what Doncic does, look at others. The best scorer in Euroleague has around 20 PPG. All others less than 20. 30 points in a game is very rare in Euroleague. Triple double was made only twice in 17 years, by the same player, 10 years ago. Doncic was very near that, with 10/11/8. Westbrook had triple double average this year.
This is 100% true, and has been explained here over and over by numerous people. But no matter what, some people just absolutely refuse to accept that this is reality, and even some people respond to these kinds of posts with things like NCAA is better than EuroLeague or whatever.
I think after something totally factual and true, and totally verifiable upon simply watching a game........is explained over and over, by multiple people, and others still refuse to acknowledge it as true - that we should just simply ignore it when people argue this stuff.
Just start ignoring the posts that won't acknowledge these things. Many of the views of Doncic here, and European basketball in general, simply don't deal with reality. It's just personal opinions of people that clearly have never seen a European basketball game, and that believe they know all about it, based solely and entirely on myths and stereotypes, that largely came from NBA marketing schemes.
bagsboy wrote:For two hundred years Democrats stole the productive output of slaves and now they seek to enrich themselves with the productive output from the 'rich'. First, Republicans needed to end slavery and next they need to fix taxation with a flat fair tax.
Johnny Firpo wrote:If Gallo can score 20 on 58%TS, and 19 on 62%TS, I'm not really worried about Doncic, who is quicker, has better handles, a better passer, and arguably a better shooter. But please, explain me Gallo then.
kayath wrote:His offensive ceiling is Magic Johnson + 3point shot.
Ettorefm wrote:Says the guy who said Curry is an awful defender and would get torched in the Euroleague
Mirotic12 wrote:Gallo is easily quicker than Doncic.
Johnny Firpo wrote:Mirotic12 wrote:Gallo is easily quicker than Doncic.
He is easily not though. That's just plain wrong, I watched them both excessively, at this point, Doncic is definitely quicker. Maybe rookie Gallo was quicker than Doncic. Maybe.
Mirotic12 wrote:Johnny Firpo wrote:If Gallo can score 20 on 58%TS, and 19 on 62%TS, I'm not really worried about Doncic, who is quicker, has better handles, a better passer, and arguably a better shooter. But please, explain me Gallo then.
Gallo is easily quicker than Doncic.kayath wrote:His offensive ceiling is Magic Johnson + 3point shot.
I would say that qualifies as an extreme exaggeration.Ettorefm wrote:Says the guy who said Curry is an awful defender and would get torched in the Euroleague
I'll just let you know directly, I'm just going to ignore these types of posts from people that clearly have never seen a EuroLeague game from now on. No matter how many times things are explained about the EuroLeague - there is an outright refusal to even consider it. So don't bother with these kinds of posts again to me, because I'm just going to ignore them.
Mirotic12 wrote:burek3 wrote:He will definitely have more freedom in NT at Eurobasket this year. It's a waiting game, we shall see.
Though nobody mentioned that he was MVP of the round this time in EL playoffs. Granted, he's sharing the title with Ayon and Dunston, and you guys seemingly don't like the PIR stat, but I think it's still quite a nice accomplishment.
PIR being used for MVP awards is absurd. And I think most people with any understanding of what PIR is, get that. It's not that I hate the stat - it's an OK stat, and has some use. It's the using of it to determine the best players, which is absolutely absurd.
This stat comes from 1960, and originally, in 1960, it was a weighted stat and also adjusted. In 1991, the Spanish League decided to take the stat from 1960, make it non-weighted, and non-adjusted for pace, and then proclaim it should be used for MVP awards.
The new EuroLeague, which was created by the same people that ran the Spanish League, then kept the stat for the same reasons...
So we have a stat from 1960, that was then made less modern and less advanced ("simplified") in 1991..........and to this day is the "advanced stat that determines best players in Europe"......
It's like a joke really. Especially considering several European national leagues used to use the weighted and pace adjusted form (from 1960) back in the 1990s......then because EuroLeague kept pushing PIR, those leagues eventually shifted from that old stat, which is more advanced, to PIR, which is less advanced.
UcanUwill wrote:Bob8 wrote:
Like I said, Efes has very few chances, they're to soft for this Oly. I think 3:0 will not be big surprise.
OLY is toast man, thats what I was saying. I knew this series is about to go south when they lost game 2 at home despite vintage Spanoulis and Printezis performance. When Spanoulis is off, this team is no match for Efes. Their offensive talent is pitiful.