This team needs a five--a REAL five....

[basketballwacko2]

Not trying to argue but Myles reminds me of the Al Horford situation in Atlanta. He could do no wrong with Atl's front office, but he was never franchise player material like they tried to market him. They put him at C because they didn't think he could guard 4's and they thought he could be special at the 5 but he always had problems with the real 5's and still does, Robin Lopez is having a great series simply because Horford is too small. Myles is too small, too weak, does not rebound enough, can't finish around the rimn't . Some think those things will change and I am here to tell you they will not.

Here is my big question to those that say position does not matter. Why not play him at the 4 if positions don't matter.

He's gonna grow, gain muscle. Besides we could pick Jarrett Allen from Texas if he's there when we draft. Or we could do something more radical.

Trade Jefferson and our #1 pick for Brook Lopez and the 2 late brooklyn #1 picks.

[8305]

Not trying to argue but Myles reminds me of the Al Horford situation in Atlanta. He could do no wrong with Atl's front office, but he was never franchise player material like they tried to market him. They put him at C because they didn't think he could guard 4's and they thought he could be special at the 5 but he always had problems with the real 5's and still does, Robin Lopez is having a great series simply because Horford is too small. Myles is too small, too weak, does not rebound enough, can't finish around the rimn't . Some think those things will change and I am here to tell you they will not.

Here is my big question to those that say position does not matter. Why not play him at the 4 if positions don't matter.

He's gonna grow, gain muscle. Besides we could pick Jarrett Allen from Texas if he's there when we draft. Or we could do something more radical.

Trade Jefferson and our #1 pick for Brook Lopez and the 2 late brooklyn #1 picks.

I can't see the Nets making this trade. Lopez by himself would probably command a first in the 15 to 20 range.

I can see getting a real 5 but not one who you would need to play 30+ minutes per game. If you size up at other positions I think the rebounding problem goes away and then Myles can work the resulting mismatch on offense.

[Wizop]

Lance can fix the backup size problem in the backcourt. Teague and Ellis together present a size problem but Ellis played most of the year on the second unit and should do that next year barring injuries. Lance is a great second unit fit with Ellis as he has the size to guard the 2 and is enough of a point guard to let Ellis play off the ball.

In the front court, we have a mobility problem and not a size problem in the second unit. I suppose though you might say that we have backup 4's with mobility and others with size but none with both.

[Wizop]

Here is my big question to those that say position does not matter. Why not play him at the 4 if positions don't matter.

position doesn't matter on offense. your scheme can put everyone is a position to succeed regardless of where they are listed in the box score.

defense is another matter. someone has to be able to guard each of the other team's five players. some flexibility is also required as the other team can force you to switch.

[SBM]

Not trying to argue but Myles reminds me of the Al Horford situation in Atlanta. He could do no wrong with Atl's front office, but he was never franchise player material like they tried to market him. They put him at C because they didn't think he could guard 4's and they thought he could be special at the 5 but he always had problems with the real 5's and still does, Robin Lopez is having a great series simply because Horford is too small. Myles is too small, too weak, does not rebound enough, can't finish around the rimn't . Some think those things will change and I am here to tell you they will not.

Here is my big question to those that say position does not matter. Why not play him at the 4 if positions don't matter.

He's gonna grow, gain muscle. Besides we could pick Jarrett Allen from Texas if he's there when we draft. Or we could do something more radical.

Trade Jefferson and our #1 pick for Brook Lopez and the 2 late brooklyn #1 picks.

Not a fan of Jared Allen and I don't think Lopez helps with the rebounding issue enough. I like Zach Collins more than Jared Allen,but I think he might take a while to be starters quality. Thomas Bryant if he is leaving and his reported measurements are true has C size and you may be able to get him as a 2nd rd steal. Selecting a big man in the 1st, this may not be the draft for.

[boomershadow]

I feel like we could have used Turner more at the 4 if we had prepared him better for it. I would have groomed him to be an Ibaka-esque weak side shot blocker and corner 3 shooter when he plays the 4 and more usual rim protector and roll man/put back type when he plays the 5.

[Global Game]

Signing Anthony Randolph, Derrick Brown, and Tyler Honeycutt this summer would help.

Drafting Sindarius Thornwell would help with defense in the backcourt

Trading Miles and a non-guaranteed contract for Alexis Ajinca (2nd option Omer Asik) would help.

Stephenson/Heurtel/Ragland
Robinson/Thornwell/Ellis
George/Brown/Honeycutt
Randolph/Young/Seraphin
Turner/Ajinca or Asik/Jefferson

CJ Miles has a player option not a non-guaranteed contract. Since someone will surely give him 10 million plus he's gonna opt out. Anthony Randoph, Derrick Brown and Tyler Huneycutt? When was the last time any of them played in the NBA? I'd take Ajinca for a 2nd round pick, but wouldn't want Asik at all.

Pelicans are cap challenged. If the Pacers can get Ajinca for a few of their non-guaranteeds or a second that would be great.

Asik would fill a role with a reasonable contract. Protect the rim, be physical, set hard screens, and give hard fouls.
Pacers need to add a dirty work doer.

Yes. Euroleague All Stars are definitely an upgrade over Allen, Niang, Christmas, and Young

3 point shooting for the last 3 years.
Derrick Brown SF/PF (1987) - 44%, 37%, 42% (7'2.5 wingspan)
Anthony Randolph F/C (1989) - 39%, 34%, 39% (7'3" wingspan)
Thomas Heurtel PG (1989) - 40%, 40%, 40%
Joe Ragland PG (1989) - 40%, 38%. 40%
Curtis Jerrells PG (1987) - 36%, 39%, 37%

Honeycutt is a leading rebounder and defender in Euroleague.

Experienced, skilled, and inexpensive role players excelling in Euro(Spurs) ball movement and off ball movement.

You'll have to Google their names and Realgm regarding your other question.

[Revived]

I can see the Pacers being one of the teams that possibly goes after Alex Len in free agency. He's a true 7 footer and is still relatively young.

[babyjax13]

I just want to point out that he's 21. Any physically different big is going to be a potential matchup issue, but Myles can punish even harder on the other end. He can gain about 8-12 pounds this offseason and alleviate a lot of these issues. Remember, Roy Hibbert went from non-factor to all-star (and back to non-factor, but that's not the point). Myles is already an amazing young player who is already a top-5 shotblocker in the league with extremely impressive shooting numbers, despite a late-season fatigue/injury slump. 58% TS is pretty much elite level and he's not doing it with more than 10 shot attempts a game.

Position doesn't matter and it's a huge misdiagnosis of Myles Turner and the Pacers as a whole. Our 5 is already good. We're still starting Monta Ellis at the 2. Next season and long-term, Myles Turner is the big to go with. If we had two Myles Turners playing the 4 and 5, no one would be complaining about them not being "real" PF's or C's. His liabilities come from his lack of gamesense, experience, and development. Our frontcourt is nice.

This is a dumb argument to have. It's like Pelicans fans talking about whether AD is a 4 or 5. Who cares? **** put him on the court and worry about the WAY **** players surrounding him.

This. Rudy Gobert struggled with physical players too (even into last season). Now that's not really a problem. Turner is a modern 5, not a 4, and you would neutralize a lot of his potential matchup advantages by playing him at the 4.

[Pacersike]

Myles Turner will be just fine at the 5 in 2-3 years, but I understand your concern.

Larry Bird should have done a better job getting a center who could hold the fortress till MT is ready.
Mahinmi was not an option with his contract (4years min) but sure they were others better than Jefferson.

[Clutch31]

We should have aimed for Nerlens Noel when he was available.

[Wizop]

Larry Bird should have done a better job getting a center who could hold the fortress till MT is ready.

Jefferson, Seraphin, Christmas, and even Allen can get meaningful minutes at center. the problem is that none of them can get meaningful minutes at power forward when TYoung needs rest. Perhaps a three man rotation with Turner getting 12 minutes at power forward would help but unless the summer produces an answer the obvious solution is to play PG there a few minutes each half. I know he doesn't want to play there but was't that the obvious counter to Cleveland playing LeBron there?

[tocooks101]

Larry Bird should have done a better job getting a center who could hold the fortress till MT is ready.

Jefferson, Seraphin, Christmas, and even Allen can get meaningful minutes at center. the problem is that none of them can get meaningful minutes at power forward when TYoung needs rest. Perhaps a three man rotation with Turner getting 12 minutes at power forward would help but unless the summer produces an answer the obvious solution is to play PG there a few minutes each half. I know he doesn't want to play there but was't that the obvious counter to Cleveland playing LeBron there?

All of those guys aside from Jefferson are undersized, which is the issue Turner faces. He was exposed a bit without Mahhimi in there, not a shot at Turner, he is still hella young.

Playing PG at the 4 is not an option, after two years, a coaching change, 2 first round exits, Larry stepping down, we can all agree PG at the 4 is not an option, right?

[Wizop]

I only want to play PG at the 4 about 12 minutes a game. I'm not asking him to start there just backup Thad there a little so that the team is used to playing with him there so that when the Cavs play LeBron at the 4 PG can follow him there.

[boomershadow]

Paul George is not gonna play the 4 except in those rare instances a team like Cleveland puts Lebron there. Just isn't gonna happen. One thing I'm sure of is that whatever team he ends up on long term, he is gonna make sure they know he don't wanna play no power forward. And I bet we are the only team in the league stupid enough to ask him to.

[Pacersike]

I have read somewhere that Teague Ellis Miles PG Turner was one of the best Pacers lineups and that it was a shame that McMillan didn't use it more often. Can 't remember where I read it though, but we saw the same thing happening last season, november 2015, where a similar lineup was doing great.

Paul George should be openminded enough to try it for more than just 1 game, otherwise he isn't doing everything it takes to win games.

[Wizop]

In my opinion he must play four when LeBron does and against Draymond and that requires him to do it on enough other nights for everyone to be comfortable with that lineup.

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