Time to Hit the Reset Button (while exploiting Vivek/Vlade)

[sfballa13]

Such negativity.
We will bounce back next year. We weren't far off the #4 seed basically without our starting PG the whole year.
I'd put money on us being top 5 in East next year.

What kind of clown statement is this!?! "We weren't far off the #4 seed"!?! Buddy, we didn't even get the #8 seed. We were never in range for the 4 past the first couple weeks of the season.

And guess what? We're probably bringing effectively the same group back next year for another 34-40 wins. We have no clue if Reggie's knee will ever be what it was two years ago.

wow someone finally gets its

we are stuck with this team for years, capped out unable to add anyone significant unless via trade

[Pharaoh]

Such negativity.
We will bounce back next year. We weren't far off the #4 seed basically without our starting PG the whole year.
I'd put money on us being top 5 in East next year.

What kind of clown statement is this!?! "We weren't far off the #4 seed"!?! Buddy, we didn't even get the #8 seed. We were never in range for the 4 past the first couple weeks of the season.

And guess what? We're probably bringing effectively the same group back next year for another 34-40 wins. We have no clue if Reggie's knee will ever be what it was two years ago.

wow someone finally gets its

we are stuck with this team for years, capped out unable to add anyone significant unless via trade

Capped out unable to add anyone significant unless via trade...

Which is the same situation a lot of teams are in dude - it's why there are exceptions above the cap!

Since we're not a free agent destination I have no problem being capped out! We're never gonna sign the Durant's or Lebron's and couldn't even land the likes of Carroll, Danny Green or Thomas when they were available!

The smart thing to do is sign guys to reasonable deals...or acquire them via trade. We did this already!

Tobias, Mook, Bobo, Ish, possibly Jon...that's 5 dudes NOT on rookie contracts that almost everyone can agree are reasonable contracts.

Throw in SJ & Henry & our pick this Draft...that's 8 guys on reasonable contracts!

Of the remaining roster spots guaranteed to be taken we've got:

Dre - who most believed was worthy of the MAX prior this past season

RJ - who most believed was on a reasonable contracts prior to this past season

KCP - who's market value will be determined this off-season.

So 8 of 11 dudes have reasonable contracts - WTF do you expect?

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[El Chivo]

Such negativity.
We will bounce back next year. We weren't far off the #4 seed basically without our starting PG the whole year.
I'd put money on us being top 5 in East next year.

What kind of clown statement is this!?! "We weren't far off the #4 seed"!?! Buddy, we didn't even get the #8 seed. We were never in range for the 4 past the first couple weeks of the season.

And guess what? We're probably bringing effectively the same group back next year for another 34-40 wins. We have no clue if Reggie's knee will ever be what it was two years ago.

At some point in early March we were 5 games out of HCA for the first round.

I posted as much at the time because the board was overrun with negativity

What happened from there is the biggest issue facing the team:7

With the playoffs less than 6 weeks away we folded like a house of cards!

That's not on one guy - it's on all of them!

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Nothing happened. Ball stopped lying, simply.

[Pharaoh]

What kind of clown statement is this!?! "We weren't far off the #4 seed"!?! Buddy, we didn't even get the #8 seed. We were never in range for the 4 past the first couple weeks of the season.

And guess what? We're probably bringing effectively the same group back next year for another 34-40 wins. We have no clue if Reggie's knee will ever be what it was two years ago.

At some point in early March we were 5 games out of HCA for the first round.

I posted as much at the time because the board was overrun with negativity

What happened from there is the biggest issue facing the team:7

With the playoffs less than 6 weeks away we folded like a house of cards!

That's not on one guy - it's on all of them!

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Nothing happened. Ball stopped lying, simply.

LMAO!

Issues are/were:

1 - too many changes to the starting line up!

Started the season with Dre, Mook, Tobias, KCP & Ish. Just as they were getting acclimated BOOM RJ gets inserted for Ish - completely different types of players!

We wait awhile...it never really clicks...so we put Jon into the line up for Tobias...again completely different types of players!

We wait...it doesn't really click...so we decide to change the way we use RJ...shorter bursts, utilise Ish more...never really works

Too many major changes where we're swapping guys that are completely different kinds of players

We would have been better served by bringing RJ back slowly as the 6th Man for the duration and left the starting unit as it was but such is life.

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[El Chivo]

Pistons have been awful for 70 games, at least. They won more games than they deserved, unfortunately.

You keep blinding yourself with your faith in this bunch of mediocre people.

Other teams made trade, changed lineup and that didn't effect their season.

Alibis...

[Pharaoh]

Pistons have been awful for 70 games, at least. They won more games than they deserved, unfortunately.

You keep blinding yourself with your faith in this bunch of mediocre people.

Other teams made trade, changed lineup and that didn't effect their season.

Alibis...

I actually have very little faith tbh

I have very little emotional attachment to this current squad so it doesn't bother me if they're great or not - and they're not!

In an ideal world I'd trade almost everybody - but we don't live in an ideal world

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[ImHeisenberg]

At some point in early March we were 5 games out of HCA for the first round.

The math of that seems to completely be lost on people. Five games behind means you're effectively 10 wins behind. That's not "close" on any scale I could imagine.

[Pharaoh]

At some point in early March we were 5 games out of HCA for the first round.

The math of that seems to completely be lost on people. Five games behind means you're effectively 10 wins behind. That's not "close" on any scale I could imagine.

Maybe it's late, maybe I misplaced my brain but please explain how 5 wins behind becomes effectively 10 wins behind?



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[ImHeisenberg]

At some point in early March we were 5 games out of HCA for the first round.

The math of that seems to completely be lost on people. Five games behind means you're effectively 10 wins behind. That's not "close" on any scale I could imagine.

Maybe it's late, maybe I misplaced my brain but please explain how 5 wins behind becomes effectively 10 wins behind?

Because a win only moves you 0.5 wins up the standings, and a loss 0.5, because it's a win AND loss column.

[hoophabit]

AND the teams you're chasing won't lose any games?

[mercury]

It's easy to relate to the "blow it up" mindset... however there is also a downside to bringing in several new players that are not yet comfortable with the system and their roles... uncertainty leads to more mistakes and less efficient performance.
We may want to reconsider wiping the slate clean. A good start would be bringing in players that compliment the keepers.
If there is one important take home is that players reach their peak level when they understand the system and how they can best integrate their skills.... nobody wins with a revolving door.
Management will have to take a hard look at which players have more room to grow within the system... and is the system right for the roster (re. maximizing their potential).
Can Dre work better inside with trusted shooters?... can RJ defend better with solid legs?... Can Tobias become a better defender with better preparation (starting in the film room)?
Blow it all up... I dunno about that.

[Pharaoh]

I think any person hoping for a "blow it up" scenario will be bitterly disappointed

SVG has spoken about continuity and system...

We have the largest pro scouting staff in the league and all of these players (except Dre & KCP) were acquired by this FO

IF I was a gambling man I'd bet that we'll be lucky to see one significant roster move!

We'll use our first round pick, wave goodbye to Baynes, Beno & Bullock, probably sign good buddy Ray again...match KCPs offer sheet

Dre
Tobias
Jon
Mook
SJ
KCP
RJ
Ish
Bobo
King
Ray
Hilliard
Benji
First Rounder

That's 14 guys...



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[BIG BEN'S FRO]

Pharaoh,

Continuity doesn't work unless you get almost immediate results or sign a coach to a super long contract like Boston did. There simply isn't that shelf life for them to establish that.

Also being called out as a mediocre team is terrible since basically all you can add is another mediocre player. No chance at a superstar means minimal chance to win it all. I can't think of a team outside of our 2004 team and that's why I wrote minimal.
We have a huge scouting team that somehow missed on Stanley. I hope all he needs is more time but I feel like that is wrong.
I am not in favor of blowing it up but I am really close.

[ImHeisenberg]

I think any person hoping for a "blow it up" scenario will be bitterly disappointed

SVG has spoken about continuity and system...

I agree. I don't think SVG does anything close blowing it up. At most, maybe one starter gets moved.

The whole "continuity" line pisses me off. You can let the same crap team play ten seasons together, doesn't mean they'll stop being a bad team.

[DBC10]

I think any person hoping for a "blow it up" scenario will be bitterly disappointed

SVG has spoken about continuity and system...

I agree. I don't think SVG does anything close blowing it up. At most, maybe one starter gets moved.

The whole "continuity" line pisses me off. You can let the same crap team play ten seasons together, doesn't mean they'll stop being a bad team.

Yeah, I think you can't have/preach continuity when we have two "leaders" who don't really have that hard work and no excuses attitude like let's say Curry and Green have. I think they're a great example of two players that were homegrown along with Thompson that continuity really matters.

We just have duds.

[Pharaoh]

Pharaoh,

Continuity doesn't work unless you get almost immediate results or sign a coach to a super long contract like Boston did. There simply isn't that shelf life for them to establish that.

Almost immediate results - made the playoffs in Year 3 of SVG...who was signed to a 5 year deal not just as coach but to rebuild the entire franchise

When SVG has spoken about continuity he's stated that in most cases the best teams saw gradual improvement over X amount of time before making a big move up the standings.

That was the Going to Work Pistons - started out with Stackhouse, Cliffy, Ben & Chunky before it became what it did

We made the playoffs BEFORE Sheed!

SVG has also stated that if we were to flip the last 2 seasons results we'd be extremely happy about our future

Now, I believe SVG spins a lot of bull cause thats his job -misdirection, smoke & mirrors, can't reveal anything to the other 29 teams - BUT there's an element of truth in what he's said in relation to continuity

In the real world we all know everything takes time - you don't get instant gratification. For some reason some people don't apply that to sport



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