WCQF: P2 | (4) LA Clippers vs Utah Jazz (5) | UTA 4-3

[MartinToVaught]

Yes he would. You'd have broken up your championship-winning frontcourt while trying to make a ball-dominant player like CP3 fit with Kobe. CP3 on the Lakers would have been just as much of a first/second-round exit waiting to happen as CP3 on the Clippers is.

[Mylie10]

Yes he would. You'd have broken up your championship-winning frontcourt while trying to make a ball-dominant player like CP3 fit with Kobe. CP3 on the Lakers would have been just as much of a first/second-round exit waiting to happen as CP3 on the Clippers is.

Hey Martin, love reading your posts!

What do you see the Clippers doing this offseason?

Do they try to resign everyone?
Do they add Melo?
Do they trade Blake Griffin in a sign and trade for a package that could rebuild the roster?

I'm totally with you that they should fire Doc. I'm in lockstep with you on that. I feel like he's the most overrated coach in the league, and being the GM too? Yuk!

[MartinToVaught]

Doc has to go before anything else happens. We are screwed no matter what if he remains in any capacity.

I'm not on board with bringing in Melo. Never have been, never will be. Our cap situation is bad enough at the moment without taking on his toxic contract. And besides, bringing him in is the typical Doc move: throwing more aging no-defense chuckers at our problems instead of actually fixing them. We don't need more iso-chucking, we need defense, ball movement and savvy players like the Jazz have that make winning plays on both ends. Cutting Joe Ingles was a mistake, to say the least, and I also wish we had Boris Diaw.

We shouldn't give up on Blake. If we're going to split up the frontcourt, we should look to move DJ for picks and young talent while he's still overrated. I've been saying it for years: he provides nothing on offense that isn't spoonfed to him, and his defense just isn't at the level it needs to be to make up for that. He at least used to be counted on to play hard every night, but that changed this year once he got his coveted All-Star appearance.

We should definitely resign CP3 and Blake, but if next season looks like the same old Clippers, then the new front office should consider shopping them in trades at the deadline or next offseason.

[Kswiss]

You can really see why CP3 isn't regarded as one of the elite guards by a lot of people. Has a decent midrange game, but that's about it. Throw in the complete lack of intangibles and you can see why he's won one playoff series in his 10+ year career

Nothing in your post was actually accurate though

Yea I guess he'll get em next year (story of whole career :/)

[Method28]

You can really see why CP3 isn't regarded as one of the elite guards by a lot of people. Has a decent midrange game, but that's about it. Throw in the complete lack of intangibles and you can see why he's won one playoff series in his 10+ year career

Nothing in your post was actually accurate though

Yea I guess he'll get em next year (story of whole career :/)

I'm thinking Og15 was being sarcastic lol

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[bmurph128]

Got to blow that Clipper team up now

[Method28]

Nothing in your post was actually accurate though

Yea I guess he'll get em next year (story of whole career :/)

I'm thinking Og15 was being sarcastic lol

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Nevermind, i thought OG posted that...kswiss is hitting that pipe lol i guess elite vision, ability to get anywhere on the court, great passing, 40% from 3 and good defense are non desired traits.

Cp3 should go 15 for 40 more often. Maybe fans would like him better

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[mvpshaq32]

I know it definitely wouldn't have made sense at the time, but the Clippers should've traded Blake one to two years ago when his value was at a peak.

I thought it was pretty obvious the Clippers were a paper tiger and Blake is an awful fit with this team. Now with the recurring injuries, many teams are going to be hesitant on pursuing him which makes it easier for the Clippers to convince him to come back for the max.

[jazzfan1971]

I have to wonder if Balmer can take another playoff meltdown. He seriously looks about 3 big macs from a heart attack as it is. The strain of watching the Clippers looks legitimately dangerous to his health to me.

[dautjazz]

I know it definitely wouldn't have made sense at the time, but the Clippers should've traded Blake one to two years ago when his value was at a peak.

I thought it was pretty obvious the Clippers were a paper tiger and Blake is an awful fit with this team. Now with the recurring injuries, many teams are going to be hesitant on pursuing him which makes it easier for the Clippers to convince him to come back for the max.

I'll be honest with you, I wasn't very concerned with him, I felt the Clippers played as well or better after his injury. DJ really worried me when Gobert went down, but luckily we were able to adjust (mainly fouling him before getting an easy dunk). CP3 though killed us all series until game 7 4th quarter. I have no idea why he wasn't playing more aggressive at the end of the game. His midrange game is INSANE! I think Paul has A LOT left in the tank, and I think he would excel under a great coach like Snyder or Pops.

[JoeyLightYears]

We shouldn't give up on Blake. If we're going to split up the frontcourt, we should look to move DJ for picks and young talent while he's still overrated. I've been saying it for years: he provides nothing on offense that isn't spoonfed to him, and his defense just isn't at the level it needs to be to make up for that. He at least used to be counted on to play hard every night, but that changed this year once he got his coveted All-Star appearance.

You know who doesn't play hard every night? The guy who is always sitting on the bench when the Clippers need him because he is injured or rehabbing or recovering because he punched a dude. Was Blake even on the bench last night? I didn't see him.

Say what you want about DJ but the guy never misses games. Blake is clearly the trade chip here. Question is if anyone wants him at this point. His athleticism is a fraction of what it once was and he is basically parallelling the career of Amare. This latest thing of turning him into a stretch 4 is a joke. May as well go after a guy like Ryan Anderson if that's all you want out of your four.

[MartinToVaught]

We shouldn't give up on Blake. If we're going to split up the frontcourt, we should look to move DJ for picks and young talent while he's still overrated. I've been saying it for years: he provides nothing on offense that isn't spoonfed to him, and his defense just isn't at the level it needs to be to make up for that. He at least used to be counted on to play hard every night, but that changed this year once he got his coveted All-Star appearance.

You know who doesn't play hard every night? The guy who is always sitting on the bench when the Clippers need him because he is injured or rehabbing or recovering because he punched a dude. Was Blake even on the bench last night? I didn't see him.

Say what you want about DJ but the guy never misses games. Blake is clearly the trade chip here. Question is if anyone wants him at this point. His athleticism is a fraction of what it once was and he is basically parallelling the career of Amare. This latest thing of turning him into a stretch 4 is a joke. May as well go after a guy like Ryan Anderson if that's all you want out of your four.

You do realize that this narrative you're spewing actually proves my point, right? If Blake really is the washed-up scrub that you and many others portray him to be, then we'd have a hard time trading him at all or at least getting anything good in return. That means DJ is the better trade chip and the one who needs to be shipped out if we want any hope of replenishing our asset base and maybe adding some decent talent for once on the wings.

[JoeyLightYears]

DJ is the better trade chip because he is the more valuable player for the Clippers. If he were perpetually injured and Blake were always healthy, I wouldn't have this position. Blake is still a valuable piece and some teams will hopefully want him even at the max (heck even known scrubs like Parsons get the max these days). But if you can't see that he is injury prone and has lost a lot of athleticism already, I don't know what to tell you.

To put it another way, we saw what the Clippers are without Blake this series. They are still pretty good, and possibly could have even won this series with a better coach. Now imagine if they could add Bradley+Smart or Bradley+Crowder or similar to this same roster. It wouldn't be bad.

[MartinToVaught]

DJ is the better trade chip because he is the more valuable player for the Clippers.

If that were even close to true, Blake's injury wouldn't have been a dealbreaker for us this series because DJ was still there. DJ played awful this series and was exposed once he had to step up a role in Blake's absence.

To put it another way, we saw what the Clippers are without Blake this series. They are still pretty good

Not really. In four full games without Blake, we went 1-3 and the only reason we won a game was because the Jazz kept missing the wide-open shots we were giving them. We got beaten like a drum on our home court in Game 7. We had slow, old Paul Pierce playing 21 minutes in a Game 7. That's "pretty good" to you? We'd have missed the playoffs easily without Blake this year.

[Method28]

DJ is the better trade chip because he is the more valuable player for the Clippers.

If that were even close to true, Blake's injury wouldn't have been a dealbreaker for us this series because DJ was still there. DJ played awful this series and was exposed once he had to step up a role in Blake's absence.

To put it another way, we saw what the Clippers are without Blake this series. They are still pretty good

Not really. In four full games without Blake, we went 1-3 and the only reason we won a game was because the Jazz kept missing wide-open shots. We got beaten like a drum on our home court in Game 7. We had slow, old Paul Pierce playing 21 minutes in a Game 7. That's "pretty good" to you? We'd have missed the playoffs easily without Blake this year.

Didn't DJ get a double double im every game of the series? DJ was FAR more valuable this series and last year than Blake was

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[JoeyLightYears]

The team actually got two of the three wins without Blake since they were down when he got injured and came back to win. But that is neither here nor there. No one is disputing that Blake isn't a great player. He will get the max from the Clippers. To let him go for nothing would be absurdity so it really comes down to whether he will take it (I suppose he could opt in this summer and delay another year).

Clipps definitely make the playoffs this year and the last five years without Blake. They always have a good record when he is out, unless Paul is out too. The converse is somewhat true also, btw, further showing how much they are a bad fit. This team needs depth more than anything. It needs players to step in when the main guys inevitably go down, besides DJ who never goes down. Even if the only reason to favor DJ over Blake is that he is an iron man, that is a pretty damn good reason.

DJ had a great series. I don't know what you were watching.

[MartinToVaught]

Didn't DJ get a double double im every game of the series? DJ was FAR more valuable this series and last year than Blake was

His stats looked much better than his actual performance in those games. He was lazy at times, just standing around waiting for a lob or an uncontested rebound and could often be seen walking up the court in transition. He was a major contributor to our porous defense: we were outscored by 16 points (10 points in the paint) with DJ on the court in Game 7 alone. He was making Favors on a bum knee look young and spry again. Keep in mind that he gets paid a lot of money for his defense only, because it's not like he has much else. His free throw shooting, as usual, cost us bigtime. He had his annual Shaqtin' a Fool moment of the playoffs with that boneheaded technical down the stretch of Game 1, too.

[Method28]

Didn't DJ get a double double im every game of the series? DJ was FAR more valuable this series and last year than Blake was

His stats looked much better than his actual performance in those games. He was lazy at times, just standing around waiting for a lob or an uncontested rebound and could often be seen walking up the court in transition. He was a major contributor to our porous defense: we were outscored by 16 points (10 points in the paint) with DJ on the court in Game 7 alone. His free throw shooting, as usual, cost us bigtime. He had his annual Shaqtin' a Fool moment of the playoffs with that boneheaded technical down the stretch of Game 1, too.

Ome of his biggest positives is his availability, Blake is always hurt and usually when he's healthy he gets flustered and makes mistakes just as bad as JaValle McGee. Turnover after turnover after turnover.

I love this current Clippers team but I'm just done. Im over Blake always leaving CP out to dry. Its not his fault but hey, somethings gotta give. We cannot expect DJ to be Hakeem im the paint, cauee thats not what he is. But at least we kmow he'll be there and give us a big man in the middle

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[MartinToVaught]

Clipps definitely make the playoffs this year and the last five years without Blake. They always have a good record when he is out

Oh please. A full season without Blake would look more like this series than those regular-season runs. There's a big difference between beating the Phillys and Orlandos of the world in the dog days of the regular season during a temporary stretch when the rest of the team knows Blake will be back soon and going without Blake for an entire season. I didn't see that so-called "free-flowing offense" that Blake was holding us back from in this series, and the defense got even worse without him.

[mvpshaq32]

DJ is the better trade chip because he is the more valuable player for the Clippers.

If that were even close to true, Blake's injury wouldn't have been a dealbreaker for us this series because DJ was still there. DJ played awful this series and was exposed once he had to step up a role in Blake's absence.

To put it another way, we saw what the Clippers are without Blake this series. They are still pretty good

Not really. In four full games without Blake, we went 1-3 and the only reason we won a game was because the Jazz kept missing the wide-open shots we were giving them. We got beaten like a drum on our home court in Game 7. We had slow, old Paul Pierce playing 21 minutes in a Game 7. That's "pretty good" to you? We'd have missed the playoffs easily without Blake this year.

lol you went 1-1 with Blake and were losing in G3 with him on the court. Clippers won G3 after Blake got injured.

Doesn't really matter though, healthy Jazz would've beat healthy Clippers anyways