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Jazz in 6
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Jazz in 7
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Post#1401 » by MartinToVaught » Mon May 1, 2017 6:53 pm

Method28 wrote:We cannot expect DJ to be Hakeem im the paint, cauee thats not what he is. But at least we kmow he'll be there and give us a big man in the middle

He's never going to be Hakeem, but he gets paid like he's prime Ben Wallace and he's not even close to that. His defense is nowhere near good enough to justify being a total non-factor on offense. For $80 million, if he's not going to learn how to play some offense or make free throws, the least he could do is stop giving up wide-open shots in the PNR, learn how to guard jump-shooting bigs and not get worked by a guy who's playing on a bum knee in Game 7 at home. Hell, never mind Favors, there were times in the regular season this year where DJ was getting dominated by the likes of JaVale McGee and Timofey Mozgov!
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Post#1402 » by JoeyLightYears » Mon May 1, 2017 6:55 pm

Method28 wrote:Blake is always hurt and usually when he's healthy he gets flustered and makes mistakes just as bad as JaValle McGee. Turnover after turnover after turnover.


Blake is such a talented all around player but he doesn't dominate any one aspect of the game. When he was younger he was a force in the paint with both the rebounding and the scoring and I liked that. But injuries and age have led him to play more conservatively, and, while, to his credit he has added a respectable jumper, is that what this team really needs? Are all of his fancy dribbling and spin moves really worth anything or just more invitations for turnovers? And will Griffin ever learn to pace himself so he isn't completely gassed in crunchtime? The answers to these questions probably decide which side if the fence you are on.

It is a shame because Blake was looking like a potential MVP a few short years ago. But then again, so was Amare at one point. Maybe in a few years we will all wonder what all the hype with Giannis was way back in 2017.
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Post#1403 » by mvpshaq32 » Mon May 1, 2017 6:55 pm

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mvpshaq32 wrote:I know it definitely wouldn't have made sense at the time, but the Clippers should've traded Blake one to two years ago when his value was at a peak.

I thought it was pretty obvious the Clippers were a paper tiger and Blake is an awful fit with this team. Now with the recurring injuries, many teams are going to be hesitant on pursuing him which makes it easier for the Clippers to convince him to come back for the max.


I'll be honest with you, I wasn't very concerned with him, I felt the Clippers played as well or better after his injury. DJ really worried me when Gobert went down, but luckily we were able to adjust (mainly fouling him before getting an easy dunk). CP3 though killed us all series until game 7 4th quarter. I have no idea why he wasn't playing more aggressive at the end of the game. His midrange game is INSANE! I think Paul has A LOT left in the tank, and I think he would excel under a great coach like Snyder or Pops.


Blake looks good but in reality, the Clippers don't need him. They get much better spacing without him and it forces CP3 to be more of a scorer and penetrator instead of force-feeding Blake which usually leads to bad things.

He's also not a great defender and could be better replaced by a perimeter defender especially against wing-heavy teams like the Jazz.
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Post#1404 » by JoeyLightYears » Mon May 1, 2017 7:00 pm

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JoeyLightYears wrote:Clipps definitely make the playoffs this year and the last five years without Blake. They always have a good record when he is out

Oh please. A full season without Blake would look more like this series than those regular-season runs. There's a big difference between beating the Phillys and Orlandos of the world in the dog days of the regular season during a temporary stretch when the rest of the team knows Blake will be back soon and going without Blake for an entire season. I didn't see that so-called "free-flowing offense" that Blake was holding us back from in this series, and the defense got even worse without him.


Yes, and in this series the Clippers held their own against a team that probably wins 55-60 games in their state. Sounds like a playoff team to me. No one is saying the Clippers are better without Blake (well maybe a few people are saying that, but they are wrong). The question is whether the team can be better exchanging him for pieces that at least will be available when you néed them.
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Post#1405 » by MartinToVaught » Mon May 1, 2017 7:07 pm

JoeyLightYears wrote:Yes, and in this series the Clippers held their own against a team that probably wins 55-60 games in their state. Sounds like a playoff team to me.

1-3 in full games without Blake isn't holding our own, it's getting wiped off the floor. And if it wasn't for the Jazz bricking wide-open shots in Game 6, it would be 0-4.
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Post#1406 » by mudsak » Mon May 1, 2017 7:07 pm

jazzfan1971 wrote:I have to wonder if Balmer can take another playoff meltdown. He seriously looks about 3 big macs from a heart attack as it is. The strain of watching the Clippers looks legitimately dangerous to his health to me.


I was dying for Joe Johnson to hit that game tying 3 in game 6 just to see Balmers reaction. Watching his face was one of the highlights of that series for me. Props to the guy for being so passionate about his team. Cool to see that.


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Post#1407 » by mudsak » Mon May 1, 2017 7:09 pm

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Method28 wrote:We cannot expect DJ to be Hakeem im the paint, cauee thats not what he is. But at least we kmow he'll be there and give us a big man in the middle

He's never going to be Hakeem, but he gets paid like he's prime Ben Wallace and he's not even close to that. His defense is nowhere near good enough to justify being a total non-factor on offense. For $80 million, if he's not going to learn how to play some offense or make free throws, the least he could do is stop giving up wide-open shots in the PNR, learn how to guard jump-shooting bigs and not get worked by a guy who's playing on a bum knee in Game 7 at home. Hell, never mind Favors, there were times in the regular season this year where DJ was getting dominated by the likes of JaVale McGee and Timofey Mozgov!


Here's the truth that no one knows yet about DJ... he's going to be useless on offense without CP3


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Post#1408 » by JoeyLightYears » Mon May 1, 2017 7:13 pm

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JoeyLightYears wrote:Yes, and in this series the Clippers held their own against a team that probably wins 55-60 games in their state. Sounds like a playoff team to me.

1-3 in full games without Blake isn't holding our own, it's getting wiped off the floor. And if it wasn't for the Jazz bricking wide-open shots in Game 6, it would be 0-4.


Clipps went 2-3 without Blake and played the Jazz to almost a standstill when looking at total points. This is pretty good considering that the roster without Blake is pretty much what Westbrook had to work with (maybe even worse if you think DJ is a total scrub as you do) and the Jazz are a solid team. Add some depth and I like this team a heck of a lot more than the rare versions where Blake isn't injured/suspended/MIA.
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Post#1409 » by JoeyLightYears » Mon May 1, 2017 7:14 pm

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jazzfan1971 wrote:I have to wonder if Balmer can take another playoff meltdown. He seriously looks about 3 big macs from a heart attack as it is. The strain of watching the Clippers looks legitimately dangerous to his health to me.


I was dying for Joe Johnson to hit that game tying 3 in game 6 just to see Balmers reaction. Watching his face was one of the highlights of that series for me. Props to the guy for being so passionate about his team. Cool to see that.


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I was floored when it didn't go in. Good defense by DJ on that possession to delay the heartbreak for Clippers fans.
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Post#1410 » by og15 » Mon May 1, 2017 10:48 pm

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JoeyLightYears wrote:Clipps definitely make the playoffs this year and the last five years without Blake. They always have a good record when he is out

Oh please. A full season without Blake would look more like this series than those regular-season runs. There's a big difference between beating the Phillys and Orlandos of the world in the dog days of the regular season during a temporary stretch when the rest of the team knows Blake will be back soon and going without Blake for an entire season. I didn't see that so-called "free-flowing offense" that Blake was holding us back from in this series, and the defense got even worse without him.
I know you are a huge Blake homer and all, but of course the team makes the playoffs without Blake. The 7th seed won 43 games for crying out loud. As long as Paul played 74 or 82 games like he did in 14-15 and 15-16 they would win 50+ games. If he missed 21 games like he did this season, then they are looking at mid 40's at best which still gets them in the playoffs, though at the bottom.

We already have a good sample size to know what they could do. They played 47 games without him last season in which they played the whole range of teams around the league and had a 55 win pace and a top 3 defense. The issue isn't about regular seasons success, it is that the playoffs are different from the regular season. JJ Redick can find ways to escape in the regular season and be effective, not every team has defenders that can contain him. In the playoffs, teams with one good playmaker are generally doomed to lose. They can win if for example they are in the early 2000's East where every other team is also a one playmaker type team, and if they have a very very good defense, but if you start playing balanced teams, well that's too bad.

The more free flowing offense did happen, I tried to deny it at first, but it is true. Blake does hold the ball and slow down the offense more, but he's doing it to look to be a playmaker. Now maybe he shouldn't, maybe he should always be on attack and he can create out of the attack instead of standing still, that's another discussion. Saying "where was that offense now" obviously is closing our eyes to the fact that Redick's off ball movement and shooting was a big catalyst to that. You take that out, and it is a different story.

Redick was putting up 21 pts/36 on 48/48/89 shooting in 15-16. Redick put up 11.2 pts/36 on 38/35/85 shooting in this series. Redick was the Clippers "second option" when Blake was out, but like I kept saying that season, yes, it works in the regular season, but in the post-season one man teams don't work because of course what happens if the ball is taken out of their hands, or they have a bad game? Also, at least in the West you are going to play teams that have two players either close to, as good or better than your one man while having comparable role players, so what happens then?

Look at Westbrook when the Thunder made the WCF in 10-11 and the finals in 11-12. He had series performances and game performances that if Paul had, the Clippers just won't win, we would say he choked. Well Westbrook had Durant and he had Harden, so a series we would say Paul choked if he played like that would be a series that OKC would win. Now look at this season, Westbrook has a bad quarter, okay some awful ones, but that happens, and the game is lost, the series is lost earlier than we expected even.
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Post#1411 » by Devils Advocate » Mon May 1, 2017 11:53 pm

Why is everyone only criticizing Blake for his injuries. Paul didn't get hurt this year but he had some injury he was battling every post season before this one. As a Clippers fan both our stars have too many post season injuries and often play a little too passive when healthy. These guys just can't stay healthy together in the playoffs.

Both Blake and Paul have shown they can carry the team to a good record in the regular season for long stretches. Main problem (besides doc) is at least 1 is always hobbled in the post season.

Also for people posting DJ is more important than Blake... stop embarrassing yourself.

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