Game 2 EC SemiFinals: Wizards @ Celtics 8 PM (TNT/1500 AM) [5/2/17]

[bwgood77]

REALLY sucks to lose that one. Just one free throw away and two clean shots at end of reg. Obviously could have easily gone the other way. Wizards still very much in this series. Hope they can pull it out. At least Brooks was the coach that had a young OKC team win 4 straight in the WCF 5 years ago after going down 2-0 to the Spurs. That was a very hot Spurs team too who had won 20 straight games (10 in the playoffs) and 31 of their last 33 at the time. http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2012_games.html

[WallToWall]

It's interesting to see two fan bases feel exactly the opposite on the same thing.

Celtics being called for 3 fouls in 10 seconds putting them over the the limit with over 8 minutes left in the fourth quarter certainly didn't ring home cooking to me.

Those were fouls. And the refs were, at that particular time, doing their job. The refs actually looked like they read the NBA rules.
Tell me, is holding onto an opponents hand a foul? Let me guess, you will say "it depends". But the NBA rule book says different. When the refs don't call that a foul, its called " home cookin'".

When you intentionally or unintentionally hit someone on the head, its a flagrant. So says the NBA rule book. But not the refs in Celtic land. That is called "home cookin'".

I could go on...but I think you get it.

I suppose the non technical foul on Morris for blatantly throwing Horford into the media was clean too?

No, that was definitely a foul. Morris was getting back at Horford because he thought that Horford tried to injure him on purpose in the previous game. I think Morris was right. Never the less, that should have been a T, but the refs missed it. The refs then started to call Morris more closely for ticky-tack fouls the rest of the game. Thats how he was in foul trouble the rest of the game and fouled out eventually. Refs made him pay, in a different way.
Imagine if the refs actually called that Morris throw down a T. Then all the shenanigans that are of that ilk will have to be called a T, and lesser fouls would actually have to be called fouls (as opposed to a throwdown or smack to the head just being a "regular" foul, and "regular" fouls not being called at all)...and that will not favor the Celtics. The refs would actually have to call things like moving screens, squeeze play on the screens, holds and pushes off the ball... it would result in a different kind of game where there will be oh so many fouls, and Celtic players fouling out.

Basically, I want the refs to do their job and do it well, without bias. If this happens, this would be a different series.

[The Corey's]

Those were fouls. And the refs were, at that particular time, doing their job. The refs actually looked like they read the NBA rules.
Tell me, is holding onto an opponents hand a foul? Let me guess, you will say "it depends". But the NBA rule book says different. When the refs don't call that a foul, its called " home cookin'".

When you intentionally or unintentionally hit someone on the head, its a flagrant. So says the NBA rule book. But not the refs in Celtic land. That is called "home cookin'".

I could go on...but I think you get it.

I suppose the non technical foul on Morris for blatantly throwing Horford into the media was clean too?

No, that was definitely a foul. Morris was getting back at Horford because he thought that Horford tried to injure him on purpose in the previous game. I think Morris was right. Never the less, that should have been a T, but the refs missed it. The refs then started to call Morris more closely for ticky-tack fouls the rest of the game. Thats how he was in foul trouble the rest of the game and fouled out eventually. Refs made him pay, in a different way.
Imagine if the refs actually called that Morris throw down a T. Then all the shenanigans that are of that ilk will have to be called a T, and lesser fouls would actually have to be called fouls (as opposed to a throwdown or smack to the head just being a "regular" foul, and "regular" fouls not being called at all)...and that will not favor the Celtics. The refs would actually have to call things like moving screens, squeeze play on the screens, holds and pushes off the ball... it would result in a different kind of game where there will be oh so many fouls, and Celtic players fouling out.

Basically, I want the refs to do their job and do it well, without bias. If this happens, this would be a different series.

I agree.

The refs should call it fairly.

If home cooking is a real thing than I suppose the wizards will have their turn the next two games.

[gambitx777]

Ok time to bench Jennings and probably Bogz too, play sato the rest of the SG PG minutes and let him defend, sure bogz could maybe like up and hit 6 shots in 10 minutes but he can't stop a runny nose, and jennings is litterally giving you nothing out there. Play Sato! hell play him and mcCelln. IDC just get on it.

[dangermouse]

Beal needs to get back on that superstar level. Its not uncommon for him to have these dud games..... its just unfortunate timing. A couple of home games, and hopefully home wins, should get him clicking with Wall again despite Avery's defense.

We're just not capitalising in areas where we have the advantage. Isaiah cant stop Wall in the post or on Iso's. If he's guarding Wall he's gotta take him down there every single time and get 2 or a foul/and1.

Gortat has GOTTA get those gimme buckets right at the rim. He had a few roll out today on pick and rolls. That can't happen in the playoffs, period.

[dlts20]

I was watching the 4th but busy during most of it. I watched a Lil of ot and that's it. My question is am I right in my assessment that they went away from the Wall post up? I called for it all game 1 because I knew that Wall would kill so I'm glad we had a heavy dose tonight but it seems like we got away from it in the 4th and ot. I realize that IT wasn't on him anymore but he was abusing all of the Celtics in the post.

Also, I think Wall got tired because he has to be our offense and guard IT where as IT just has to be the offense and they can put 3 other guys on Wall

[dopawcia]

Can sb tell me the real reasons why Satorasnky doesn't play ?

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

It's interesting to see two fan bases feel exactly the opposite on the same thing.

Celtics being called for 3 fouls in 10 seconds putting them over the the limit with over 8 minutes left in the fourth quarter certainly didn't ring home cooking to me.

Those were fouls. And the refs were, at that particular time, doing their job. The refs actually looked like they read the NBA rules.
Tell me, is holding onto an opponents hand a foul? Let me guess, you will say "it depends". But the NBA rule book says different. When the refs don't call that a foul, its called " home cookin'".

When you intentionally or unintentionally hit someone on the head, its a flagrant. So says the NBA rule book. But not the refs in Celtic land. That is called "home cookin'".

I could go on...but I think you get it.

I suppose the non technical foul on Morris for blatantly throwing Horford into the media was clean too?

My favorite play was when Morris threw Horford.

Markieff gets it. That is how the rest of the Wizards should be playing Boston. Boston is like a bigger brother who is not as good at basketball but who knows how to kick your butt. They are like a tiny older dog who has intimidated a younger bigger stronger faster dog.

Throw their asses into the cheap seats! Horford sticks his leg out? Accidentally kick him in his calf or thigh. Say, "Sorry man", even though you do it on purpose.

This is how they are doing Washington.

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

If Wall had any help from Beal this game we would've won. This loss hurts because it should have been a win. Wall was dead tired at the end too. I don't know how we combat that. With Wall it's like holding down the turbo button all game with him, if he really goes out early on, he usually is gassed by the end. However I don't know if we could have been in the game had he try to pace himself. He really needs to work on his stamina in the off-season. Maybe less alcohol at the strip clubs and less sugar in his diet will help. Maybe this postseason will motivate him to actually come in the best shape of his life next year so he doesn't get worn down.

Going back to the series though. At this point, Boston is the huge favorite. Odds are it goes six or seven with Boston winning. Beating Boston 4 out of the next 5 is going to be really tough... mainly because our lack of depth. Porter is playing better but were relying heavily on a banged up Morris who can't commit to playing D all out or stay out of foul trouble. Were also relying on Gortat who seems scared to challenge dribble penetration or attack the defensive boards these day. Finally, Oubre has hit some 3s but he's getting lost on D a lot. It's like the mental part of the game is a real challenge for him right now. He's arguably hurt us more than he's helped us on defense in the playoffs. Sadlly none of our guys outside of Wall is playing at a very high level. Beal has been disappointing which is probably the most surprising thing.

I also gotta say, I'm totally disgusted with Ian Mahinmi. He's a totally b*tchmade in my eyes. He's taking his sweet time coming back from a calf injury despite the fact his team desperately needs him. I see someone satisfied and content with their contract and not willing to over extended himself b/c he feels he doesn't have to. Meanwhile I give Morris props --- even though he pisses me off 80% of the time --- for gutting it out on a severely sprained ankle

Stamina and conditioning.

We have to get better.

I feel the same way about Mahinmi.

"Get your ass out there and foul people b word."

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

REALLY sucks to lose that one. Just one free throw away and two clean shots at end of reg. Obviously could have easily gone the other way. Wizards still very much in this series. Hope they can pull it out. At least Brooks was the coach that had a young OKC team win 4 straight in the WCF 5 years ago after going down 2-0 to the Spurs. That was a very hot Spurs team too who had won 20 straight games (10 in the playoffs) and 31 of their last 33 at the time. http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2012_games.html

Don't count us out of this.

Washington can win the next four.

Didn't say will win.

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Those were fouls. And the refs were, at that particular time, doing their job. The refs actually looked like they read the NBA rules.
Tell me, is holding onto an opponents hand a foul? Let me guess, you will say "it depends". But the NBA rule book says different. When the refs don't call that a foul, its called " home cookin'".

When you intentionally or unintentionally hit someone on the head, its a flagrant. So says the NBA rule book. But not the refs in Celtic land. That is called "home cookin'".

I could go on...but I think you get it.

I suppose the non technical foul on Morris for blatantly throwing Horford into the media was clean too?

No, that was definitely a foul. Morris was getting back at Horford because he thought that Horford tried to injure him on purpose in the previous game. I think Morris was right. Never the less, that should have been a T, but the refs missed it. The refs then started to call Morris more closely for ticky-tack fouls the rest of the game. Thats how he was in foul trouble the rest of the game and fouled out eventually. Refs made him pay, in a different way.
Imagine if the refs actually called that Morris throw down a T. Then all the shenanigans that are of that ilk will have to be called a T, and lesser fouls would actually have to be called fouls (as opposed to a throwdown or smack to the head just being a "regular" foul, and "regular" fouls not being called at all)...and that will not favor the Celtics. The refs would actually have to call things like moving screens, squeeze play on the screens, holds and pushes off the ball... it would result in a different kind of game where there will be oh so many fouls, and Celtic players fouling out.

Basically, I want the refs to do their job and do it well, without bias. If this happens, this would be a different series.

At one point Morris was the leading scorer besides Wall and the refs fouled him out of the game pretty much.

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I suppose the non technical foul on Morris for blatantly throwing Horford into the media was clean too?

No, that was definitely a foul. Morris was getting back at Horford because he thought that Horford tried to injure him on purpose in the previous game. I think Morris was right. Never the less, that should have been a T, but the refs missed it. The refs then started to call Morris more closely for ticky-tack fouls the rest of the game. Thats how he was in foul trouble the rest of the game and fouled out eventually. Refs made him pay, in a different way.
Imagine if the refs actually called that Morris throw down a T. Then all the shenanigans that are of that ilk will have to be called a T, and lesser fouls would actually have to be called fouls (as opposed to a throwdown or smack to the head just being a "regular" foul, and "regular" fouls not being called at all)...and that will not favor the Celtics. The refs would actually have to call things like moving screens, squeeze play on the screens, holds and pushes off the ball... it would result in a different kind of game where there will be oh so many fouls, and Celtic players fouling out.

Basically, I want the refs to do their job and do it well, without bias. If this happens, this would be a different series.

I agree.

The refs should call it fairly.

If home cooking is a real thing than I suppose the wizards will have their turn the next two games.

Washington will.

I will be shocked if the Wizards lose either of the next two games.

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Ok time to bench Jennings and probably Bogz too, play sato the rest of the SG PG minutes and let him defend, sure bogz could maybe like up and hit 6 shots in 10 minutes but he can't stop a runny nose, and jennings is litterally giving you nothing out there. Play Sato! hell play him and mcCelln. IDC just get on it.

Well the only thing is those guys will probably play better at home.

Brooks is going to lose with them playing either way; but I expect Jennings and Bogdanovic will play much better in DC.

Perhaps the coach will get a heads up and try other players next few games. They do seem to have an ear to the ground. They have made adjustments in the past. Game six at Atlanta Brooks coached a masterpiece.

So far Brad Stevens is out coaching him but it's not over yet.

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[gambitx777]

Ok time to bench Jennings and probably Bogz too, play sato the rest of the SG PG minutes and let him defend, sure bogz could maybe like up and hit 6 shots in 10 minutes but he can't stop a runny nose, and jennings is litterally giving you nothing out there. Play Sato! hell play him and mcCelln. IDC just get on it.

Well the only thing is those guys will probably play better at home.

Brooks is going to lose with them playing either way; but I expect Jennings and Bogdanovic will play much better in DC.

Perhaps the coach will get a heads up and try other players next few games. They do seem to have an ear to the ground. They have made adjustments in the past. Game six at Atlanta Brooks coached a masterpiece.

So far Brad Stevens is out coaching him but it's not over yet.

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Like why not give Tomas 20 minutes a game at those spots, because you are not loosing anything, you are only gaining really good D. ?

[blazeyo]

AS rigged as it gets. No shame...
Olynyk sliding under John Wall after he lost the ball was dirty as well. He could have broke his hand and if you watch it closely you will see him going under him intentionally.

[queridiculo]

At one point Morris was the leading scorer besides Wall and the refs fouled him out of the game pretty much.

Not happy with the refs, there are so many swipes across the forearm of Wall and the constant holding and grabbing that the Celtics got away with, but I can't really take exception with any of the calls that went against Morris save one drive maybe in the third or fourth.

I liked Morris giving a hard foul to set the tone, but over the course of the game there are plenty of opportunities to dish out some retribution and you have to save those fouls up for when you're actually in position to make a defensive play.

He's gotta be smarter and realize that he's hurting the team when he's not on the floor and this early toss pretty much ended up putting him out of the regular rotation for the remainder of the game.

Two calls that I still find infuriating after the game is the weak blocking call that took Oubre's three pointer off the board and the uncalled foul on the forearm to Porters face on the Thomas push off.

[tontoz]

Beal was a disaster and Jennings managed to play 12 minutes without a point or assist. That game was hard to watch, defeat snatched from the jaws of victory.

[stevemcqueen1]

AS rigged as it gets. No shame...
Olynyk sliding under John Wall after he lost the ball was dirty as well. He could have broke his hand and if you watch it closely you will see him going under him intentionally.

Yep. And then look up incredulously at the ref asking why he didn't get a foul call. He's a dirtbag too. Injured Kevin Love two years ago on a scumbag play. Boston is the dirtiest team in the league and their fans are trash.

[blazeyo]

AS rigged as it gets. No shame...
Olynyk sliding under John Wall after he lost the ball was dirty as well. He could have broke his hand and if you watch it closely you will see him going under him intentionally.

Yep. And then look up incredulously at the ref asking why he didn't get a foul call. He's a dirtbag too. Injured Kevin Love two years ago on a scumbag play. Boston is the dirtiest team in the league and their fans are trash.

Let's not talk about their fans. they fit the team like a glove.
It's very hard to stay focused in the game when you know you are being screwed by the refs. It's hard for me to put blame on the players when it's so blatant.

[Saqs]

Cs are just tougher point blank. IT getting into the lane repeatedly and not hitting the floor repeatedly shouldn't happen. Refs are definitely screwing up and making things frustrating but the Wiz have to match toughness or go fishing. Oh and Mahinmi is dead to me.