Barton not interested in extension

[The Rebel]

http://clutchpoints.com/report-will-barton-decline-extension-nuggets-test-free-agency-2018/

[skywalker33]

Not surprising with all the money available, I'd want to see my market value as well.....time for a trade !!!

[NuggetsWY]

Yeah, this makes sense and shouldn't surprise anyone.
It's his chance to test the market and he's probably seen the hand-writing on the wall; He's unlikely to be successful as a full-time SF and the Nuggets have too much talent at SG just from their youth.

He's given us a lot of effort and he's got a lot of ability, but his style does not match up well with Jokic.

[The Rebel]

I am as little surprised, the Nuggets front office is known to give market value extensions, they did it with Gallo, Chandler, and Faried. Many felt they were overpaid when the deals were signed and only after the cap jumped did they become underpaid. Even the extension Barton is on now is good considering he was out of the rotation in Portland and only showed who he was in Denver for a few weeks. Before we got him he would have been lucky to get a guaranteed minimum contract. The cap is only projected to go up about 2 million next year, his value is not likely to go up much and he is not a max guy, so there is no financial benefit to waiting.

I don't think this is a coincidence that it came out before the off-season has really even started, it think this signals that he is gone this summer.

[Exec76]

Evan Turner and Allen Crabbe got $70+ million. Passing on a $39 million extension when he could wait and get around $75 million in 2018 makes complete sense.

[NuggetsWY]

I am as little surprised, the Nuggets front office is known to give market value extensions, they did it with Gallo, Chandler, and Faried. Many felt they were overpaid when the deals were signed and only after the cap jumped did they become underpaid. Even the extension Barton is on now is good considering he was out of the rotation in Portland and only showed who he was in Denver for a few weeks. Before we got him he would have been lucky to get a guaranteed minimum contract. The cap is only projected to go up about 2 million next year, his value is not likely to go up much and he is not a max guy, so there is no financial benefit to waiting.

I don't think this is a coincidence that it came out before the off-season has really even started, it think this signals that he is gone this summer.

Agreed, there's no financial benefit to waiting, from my perspective. But like most players, he probably over values himself and without a doubt, his agent will over value him because the bigger the contract, the more the agent makes. I think this was Barton's subtle way of saying, "Me too, I agree with Wilson."

I do not think the contracts for Faried, Chandler, Gallinari, Arthur, Barton, or Nelson were bad. The front office knew the cap jump was coming and I think they played it wisely. Let's hope they realize that while the cap will keep going up, that big jump was a one time thing. This year's expected jump was supposed to be somewhat big, but it's already being downgraded. Keeping the veterans isn't a financial mistake. It's personality and ability/tendencies that make keeping them a mistake. Gallinari & Barton probably have the most value and they are probably two of three (include Nelson) that are the worst fit alongside Jokic. Chandler needs to go because he does not want to be here. Faried & Nelson have expressed the same thing more quietly. Arthur seemed content but he wasn't 100% most of the year.

[MidMountain]

Barton seems like our most expendable asset. The emergence of Harris and flashes by Beasley at the end of the season make me comfortable losing Barton without adding a player. I would think a'17 pick in the upper teens would get him. I could see Atlanta, Indianapolis, Chicago, maybe Miami being interested in an established player rather than their pick.

[tstrick33]

Trading Barton is going to be extremely hard unless it is to a contender at the deadline, who needs a scorer off the bench. Getting a first for Barton straight up, is out of the picture IMO. No one is going to want a guy who has already publicly stated that he is going to test FA next year.

Barton will be a UFA so it's gonna be even harder to unload him IMO. Unless it is in a package deal or maybe for a 2nd, but teams don't like giving other teams a first for nothing. Unless, they believe he is the missing piece to a championship.

[The Rebel]

Trading Barton is going to be extremely hard unless it is to a contender at the deadline, who needs a scorer off the bench. Getting a first for Barton straight up, is out of the picture IMO. No one is going to want a guy who has already publicly stated that he is going to test FA next year.

Barton will be a UFA so it's gonna be even harder to unload him IMO. Unless it is in a package deal or maybe for a 2nd, but teams don't like giving other teams a first for nothing. Unless, they believe he is the missing piece to a championship.

The thing you are missing is that Barton was considered a 6th man of the year candidate for much of the season, and is a good scorer off the bench. Plus he is only getting paid $3.5 million a year next season.

Originally the cap was projected to jump to about $110 million next season by cap experts and writers, halfway through the offseason last year the official projection was $108 million, now that has dropped to $102 million. Many teams built their plans on having $6 million more in cap space and $9 million more to hit the tax than they will get, and their teams have big holes on the roster.

Most GMs know that draft picks taken outside of the top 5 or so picks are unlikely to contribute much to winning next season, even in a deep draft like this one everybody kind of acknowledges that there is a drop off at some point, with most saying that is the top 3 than the next 5, or top 8 in total who they think are great prospects. Most GMs do not have 2-3 years for guys to develop.

Here is a list of teams with the best to worst differential based on last season. Many of the teams with the worst benches also have limited cap space and know they need help. Plus many of them are decent teams that they think may develop into a greater team with some bench help, and they know they can pay Barton next year with bird rights if it works, and still have the ability to improve their teams in other ways this summer.

http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/teamstats/17/7/diffeff/1-1

Barton at his salary is going to be in very high demand, arguably as much as Chandler is going to have this summer. His contract is actually a major reason for that.

[Powder Blue]

Trading Barton is going to be extremely hard unless it is to a contender at the deadline, who needs a scorer off the bench. Getting a first for Barton straight up, is out of the picture IMO. No one is going to want a guy who has already publicly stated that he is going to test FA next year.

Barton will be a UFA so it's gonna be even harder to unload him IMO. Unless it is in a package deal or maybe for a 2nd, but teams don't like giving other teams a first for nothing. Unless, they believe he is the missing piece to a championship.

The thing you are missing is that Barton was considered a 6th man of the year candidate for much of the season, and is a good scorer off the bench. Plus he is only getting paid $3.5 million a year next season.

Originally the cap was projected to jump to about $110 million next season by cap experts and writers, halfway through the offseason last year the official projection was $108 million, now that has dropped to $102 million. Many teams built their plans on having $6 million more in cap space and $9 million more to hit the tax than they will get, and their teams have big holes on the roster.

Most GMs know that draft picks taken outside of the top 5 or so picks are unlikely to contribute much to winning next season, even in a deep draft like this one everybody kind of acknowledges that there is a drop off at some point, with most saying that is the top 3 than the next 5, or top 8 in total who they think are great prospects. Most GMs do not have 2-3 years for guys to develop.

Here is a list of teams with the best to worst differential based on last season. Many of the teams with the worst benches also have limited cap space and know they need help. Plus many of them are decent teams that they think may develop into a greater team with some bench help, and they know they can pay Barton next year with bird rights if it works, and still have the ability to improve their teams in other ways this summer.

http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/teamstats/17/7/diffeff/1-1

Barton at his salary is going to be in very high demand, arguably as much as Chandler is going to have this summer. His contract is actually a major reason for that.

Rebel, Barton is an asset! You know what the Nuggets do with assets!....

[U hova]

Well Lou was basically worth a 1st to a contender... Maybe the Rockets will be interested in Barton if they don't maximize their free agency

[NuggetsWY]

Well, no question the Nuggets should let Gallinari walk (making the front office look bad).
No question they should trade Chandler & Barton before they lose them for nothing (and look even worse).
That would be our 3 SFs - leaving only Hernangomez and Mike Miller there plus maybe a rookie. Think maybe they're going to wish they'd played Hernangomez more this year? They should probably sign a SF or trade for one.
I would be OK with all of that.

Nelson is almost certainly coming back to play his 30+ mpg <sigh>.

No doubt they resign Plummer or they'll look really bad for that trade. I'm OK with that.

Last major question, is Faried going to be happy playing here? Or is he going to follow the Chandler-Barton path?

[The Rebel]

The thing you are missing is that Barton was considered a 6th man of the year candidate for much of the season, and is a good scorer off the bench. Plus he is only getting paid $3.5 million a year next season.

Originally the cap was projected to jump to about $110 million next season by cap experts and writers, halfway through the offseason last year the official projection was $108 million, now that has dropped to $102 million. Many teams built their plans on having $6 million more in cap space and $9 million more to hit the tax than they will get, and their teams have big holes on the roster.

Most GMs know that draft picks taken outside of the top 5 or so picks are unlikely to contribute much to winning next season, even in a deep draft like this one everybody kind of acknowledges that there is a drop off at some point, with most saying that is the top 3 than the next 5, or top 8 in total who they think are great prospects. Most GMs do not have 2-3 years for guys to develop.

Here is a list of teams with the best to worst differential based on last season. Many of the teams with the worst benches also have limited cap space and know they need help. Plus many of them are decent teams that they think may develop into a greater team with some bench help, and they know they can pay Barton next year with bird rights if it works, and still have the ability to improve their teams in other ways this summer.

http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/teamstats/17/7/diffeff/1-1

Barton at his salary is going to be in very high demand, arguably as much as Chandler is going to have this summer. His contract is actually a major reason for that.

Rebel, Barton is an asset! You know what the Nuggets do with assets!....

There is a chance they eventually learn their lesson, but you are probably right, they will dump everybody but Chandler and Barton and next year be wondering what happened to all their trade assets.

[The Rebel]

Well, no question the Nuggets should let Gallinari walk (making the front office look bad).
No question they should trade Chandler & Barton before they lose them for nothing (and look even worse).
That would be our 3 SFs - leaving only Hernangomez and Mike Miller there plus maybe a rookie. Think maybe they're going to wish they'd played Hernangomez more this year? They should probably sign a SF or trade for one.
I would be OK with all of that.

Nelson is almost certainly coming back to play his 30+ mpg <sigh>.

No doubt they resign Plummer or they'll look really bad for that trade. I'm OK with that.

Last major question, is Faried going to be happy playing here? Or is he going to follow the Chandler-Barton path?

Who knows what makes Faried happy, he seems to be a guy that is never satisfied but he seems to play better and feed off the unhappiness.

[skywalker33]

Well, no question the Nuggets should let Gallinari walk (making the front office look bad).
No question they should trade Chandler & Barton before they lose them for nothing (and look even worse).
That would be our 3 SFs - leaving only Hernangomez and Mike Miller there plus maybe a rookie. Think maybe they're going to wish they'd played Hernangomez more this year? They should probably sign a SF or trade for one.
I would be OK with all of that.

Nelson is almost certainly coming back to play his 30+ mpg <sigh>.

No doubt they resign Plummer or they'll look really bad for that trade. I'm OK with that.

Last major question, is Faried going to be happy playing here? Or is he going to follow the Chandler-Barton path?

Who knows what makes Faried happy, he seems to be a guy that is never satisfied but he seems to play better and feed off the unhappiness.

Seems to me we now have, at worst, a $12M cap chip to help pay Jokic when his contract comes due. It also gives us a 2-yr time frame to find a TRUE answer to our PF position.