Around the league 2016-2017

[76ciology]

I'll avatar bet the Cavs against anyone that wants to take the Celtics.

You are like the Sam Hinkie of Avatar Bets. Everyone is afraid in betting with you. You need a Jerry Colangelo to take over your account. Haha

[76ciology]

Defense has been weak in general.

One of the biggest reason for Celts success this playoffs is their 3pt shooting and IT. 3pt shooting and a player who projects a superstar impact will let you go distance in the play-offs.

Celts is averaging 13made 3s per game in the entire playoffs, second behind the Cavs.

3s can bridge the gap in talent difference. While the best player in a play-off game seems to have the favor. Right now, IT is outplaying Wall.

[Unbreakable99]

The difference between the Hawks and Pacers vs the Celtics is the Celtics have multiple good wing defenders who can make lebron and Kyrie work harder for shots. Crowder Bradley Smart Brown is about as good as you can get on wing defense. IT is a certified star capable of carrying the offense and scoring over 30 any night. The Celtics aren't just defense and have to slow the game down to have a chance. They can score a lot of points which is key to beating Cleveland since they are great at scoring. Celtics have a huge advantage on defense. They can put the clamps down unlike Cleveland this year. Boston can easily score over 115 points in any game. The Celtics match up very well with Cleveland.

The Celtics have a handful of good individual defenders, but their defense is not impressive this year. They have the 13th ranked defensive rating. 9 spots lower than their defense from a year ago.

Isaiah gets torched by PGs, Bradley gets torched by SGs and they have no rim protector. Al Horford is a complete non-deterrent in the lane.

They can D up when they need to. Bradley is the best individual one on one defender ever. He strips you and makes you work. He did a good job on Butler after the first two games. He stripped Wall at a crucial time last night. And Cleveland is not as good as Boston on defense.

[76ciology]

Avery Bradley has been great in limiting John Wall to 30ppg 14.5apg on 48FG%.

[MR28]

The difference between the Hawks and Pacers vs the Celtics is the Celtics have multiple good wing defenders who can make lebron and Kyrie work harder for shots. Crowder Bradley Smart Brown is about as good as you can get on wing defense. IT is a certified star capable of carrying the offense and scoring over 30 any night. The Celtics aren't just defense and have to slow the game down to have a chance. They can score a lot of points which is key to beating Cleveland since they are great at scoring. Celtics have a huge advantage on defense. They can put the clamps down unlike Cleveland this year. Boston can easily score over 115 points in any game. The Celtics match up very well with Cleveland.

The Celtics have a handful of good individual defenders, but their defense is not impressive this year. They have the 13th ranked defensive rating. 9 spots lower than their defense from a year ago.

Isaiah gets torched by PGs, Bradley gets torched by SGs and they have no rim protector. Al Horford is a complete non-deterrent in the lane.

They can D up when they need to. Bradley is the best individual one on one defender ever. He strips you and makes you work. He did a good job on Butler after the first two games. He stripped Wall at a crucial time last night. And Cleveland is not as good as Boston on defense.

Lmfao. Bro.

[Kobblehead]

Hot take: Avery Bradley is not (and never was) a good defender. He's just pesky. Like a rich man's Delly on the defensive end. When has he actually ever limited a player from torching him? Getting a handful of on-ball steals is about the extent of his defensive mastery.

[Sixerscan]

Ok now we have two bad Avery Bradley takes on either end of the spectrum. He's obviously not the best man on man defender ever. He's also shut down many people before, including jimmy butler several times in the first round and Beal last night.

[Kobblehead]

Klay Thompson and Avery Bradley prove that as long as you take on tough defensive assignments outside your position, people will give you props, regardless of how terrible you are at defending them.

Maybe Andrew Wiggins should start asking Thibs if he can guard 1s. He needs an image makeover.

[shawn_hemp]

Bradley was pretty atrocious on offense last night as well. He is a good defender, but I remember Celtics fans trying to say he was a solid 2-way player during the course of the season and it always seemed kind of debatable

Marcus Smart got a blocking foul that most guys would have gotten the offensive foul call for, but I feel like his reputation as a flopper cost him the call.

Didnt matter in the end though, apparently the Wizards think its a good idea to put a PF 1v1 on IT in the 4th quarter

God I hate Scott Brooks

[Unbreakable99]

All I know is when Avery Bradley becomes a free agent next year I hope we go hard after him. He fits Simmons perfectly. Players hate bringing the ball up against him. I remember when Jason Kidd was playing and Bradley was guarding him bringing the ball up the court. After one time Kidd was tired of that and just passed the ball up court or had another player bring it up because he couldn't dribble well against Bradley.

[LongLiveHinkie]

I'm not trolling. What are you talking about? I'm looking at how all the teams are playing. How can you make it seem like it's trolling saying the number one seed can go to the finals? Huh?

You aren't saying that they can go to the finals. You are saying that they WILL go to the finals. That's why we play the games, but I think the Cavs beat them in 5 games.

There is no denying Lebron this year in the east at least, and I think he wins the title again.


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Im saying I think the Celtics will beat the Cavs. And? Others say they think the Cavs will go to the finals. They aren't saying they think they can. And you just said you think the Cavs will win. How are you different from me? The Celtics are playing good ball and have a real star in IT.

You said Bradley is the best one on one defender ever. You are too smart to say one of the nuttiest things ever said on real GM, so in a sense me saying you are trolling is a compliment if you look a thing to thst wa.

[shawn_hemp]

You aren't saying that they can go to the finals. You are saying that they WILL go to the finals. That's why we play the games, but I think the Cavs beat them in 5 games.

There is no denying Lebron this year in the east at least, and I think he wins the title again.


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Im saying I think the Celtics will beat the Cavs. And? Others say they think the Cavs will go to the finals. They aren't saying they think they can. And you just said you think the Cavs will win. How are you different from me? The Celtics are playing good ball and have a real star in IT.

You said Bradley is the best one on one defender ever. You are too smart to say one of the nuttiest things ever said on real GM, so in a sense me saying you are trolling is a compliment if you look a thing to thst wa.

Didn't you say the Celtics were going to win the championship this season?

Or something about Brad Stevens getting fired?

I get my takes mixed up sometimes

[LongLiveHinkie]

Im saying I think the Celtics will beat the Cavs. And? Others say they think the Cavs will go to the finals. They aren't saying they think they can. And you just said you think the Cavs will win. How are you different from me? The Celtics are playing good ball and have a real star in IT.

You said Bradley is the best one on one defender ever. You are too smart to say one of the nuttiest things ever said on real GM, so in a sense me saying you are trolling is a compliment if you look a thing to thst wa.

Didn't you say the Celtics were going to win the championship this season?

Or something about Brad Stevens getting fired?

I get my takes mixed up sometimes

Me saying the Celtics will win a title? LMAO. If you know me, you wouldn't even think that.

I reported that Brad Stevens is on the hot seat, and he is. It's not a take, it's insider information from sources.

[Unbreakable99]

You said Bradley is the best one on one defender ever. You are too smart to say one of the nuttiest things ever said on real GM, so in a sense me saying you are trolling is a compliment if you look a thing to thst wa.

Didn't you say the Celtics were going to win the championship this season?

Or something about Brad Stevens getting fired?

I get my takes mixed up sometimes

Me saying the Celtics will win a title? LMAO. If you know me, you wouldn't even think that.

I reported that Brad Stevens is on the hot seat, and he is. It's not a take, it's insider information from sources.

You can stop the charade that Stevens is on the hot seat.

[76ciology]

Common denominators for elite teams
- 1 superstar
- 2-3 star caliber players
- elite offense
- elite 3pt shooting

I think we are on the right track. Biid is likely to be our superstar. Simmons, picks and FA should get us our 2-3 stars. Our GM&coaching have the right philosophy and are in line with our offense.

Everything goes perfect, we match-up with the Warriors. You're looking at more than 2 superstars, 2 star caliber star players and a very good bench.

Conservatively, we match-up like the Spurs or Rockets. 1 superstar with maybe 2 borderline stars and a good bench.

[MR28]

You said Bradley is the best one on one defender ever. You are too smart to say one of the nuttiest things ever said on real GM, so in a sense me saying you are trolling is a compliment if you look a thing to thst wa.

Didn't you say the Celtics were going to win the championship this season?

Or something about Brad Stevens getting fired?

I get my takes mixed up sometimes

Me saying the Celtics will win a title? LMAO. If you know me, you wouldn't even think that.

I reported that Brad Stevens is on the hot seat, and he is. It's not a take, it's insider information from sources.

Any update on the Sixers not leaving the draft without Fultz?

[Kobblehead]

Common denominators for elite teams
- 1 superstar
- 2-3 star caliber players
- elite offense
- elite 3pt shooting

I think we are on the right track. Biid is likely to be our superstar. Simmons, picks and FA should get us our 2-3 stars. Our GM&coaching have the right philosophy and are in line with our offense.

Everything goes perfect, we match-up with the Warriors. You're looking at more than 2 superstars, 2 star caliber star players and a very good bench.

Conservatively, we match-up like the Spurs or Rockets. 1 superstar with maybe 2 borderline stars and a good bench.

Keep in mind that you still need an elite or at least Top 10 defense, too.

2008 Celtics: 1st ranked defense
2009 Lakers: 6th ranked defense
2010 Lakers: 4th ranked defense
2011 Mavericks: 8th ranked defense
2012 Heat: 4th ranked defense
2013 Heat: 9th ranked defense
2014 Spurs: 3rd ranked defense
2015 Warriors: 1st ranked defense
2016 Cavs: 10th ranked defense

This year's Cavs have the 21st ranked defense. This year's Warriors have the 2nd ranked defense. Print the shirts, the Warriors are champs before the finals even start.

[BigSleep333]

cavs obv put on some gears in playoffs though. if you have watched them in some regular season games and now in the playoffs, you could think those are 2 different teams..

plus, we are already a top10 defense team with embiid on the court (yeah for real..embiid+cov+scrubs=top10 defense ) (and if i remember right, we were actually the best at some time with embiid oncourt)

[76ciology]

Common denominators for elite teams
- 1 superstar
- 2-3 star caliber players
- elite offense
- elite 3pt shooting

I think we are on the right track. Biid is likely to be our superstar. Simmons, picks and FA should get us our 2-3 stars. Our GM&coaching have the right philosophy and are in line with our offense.

Everything goes perfect, we match-up with the Warriors. You're looking at more than 2 superstars, 2 star caliber star players and a very good bench.

Conservatively, we match-up like the Spurs or Rockets. 1 superstar with maybe 2 borderline stars and a good bench.

Keep in mind that you still need an elite or at least Top 10 defense, too.

2008 Celtics: 1st ranked defense
2009 Lakers: 6th ranked defense
2010 Lakers: 4th ranked defense
2011 Mavericks: 8th ranked defense
2012 Heat: 4th ranked defense
2013 Heat: 9th ranked defense
2014 Spurs: 3rd ranked defense
2015 Warriors: 1st ranked defense
2016 Cavs: 10th ranked defense

This year's Cavs have the 21st ranked defense. This year's Warriors have the 2nd ranked defense. Print the shirts, the Warriors are champs before the finals even start.

Im referring more to the elite teams this season than the teams that won championship.

I think offense trumps defense by a large margin.
If you look at ORtg this play-offs.

Cavs 116
Spurs 116
Warriors 114
Rox 110

Its as if they just get to that stratosphere and the 1st-2nd round teams won't be able to match-up.

It's also why Pacers was able to hang around (stay close; 110 ORtg) with the Cavs even with a big disparity in talent.

The general complain by the teams that are having a hard time is their team lacking offensive firepower more than defense.

My belief is if you focus on defense, you'll get stucked. The right way is to focus on having an elite offense first, then you tweak and improve your D later. All that while making sure you already have a superstar!

[Kobblehead]

Who cares what the elite teams are this year? Only 1 team will win a championship. And history shows it's probably the one of the elites with a Top 10 defense.

The Cavs getting stomped in the Finals this year will be a nice reminder that you can't fake it to a championship by just having shooters and a terrible defense.