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Game 2 EC SemiFinals: Wizards @ Celtics 8 PM (TNT/1500 AM) [5/2/17]

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Re: RE: Re: Game 2 EC SemiFinals: Wizards @ Celtics 8 PM (TNT/1500 AM) [5/2/17] 

Post#1121 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Wed May 3, 2017 11:35 pm

Dat2U wrote:
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Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:When Beal struggled their was an opportunity for Brooks to look deep down his bench at McClellan or Burke or Satoransky. Just steal five minutes or as long as they compete.

Beal could have reset.

This coach isn't maximizing the Wizards talent.

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You've got to be kidding. Your blaming a coach for not throwing bench warmers into the game? Guys who have proven they aren't ready for prime time? And your bashing the coach for not using them in the 2nd round of the playoffs? That makes zero sense. Brooks is simply going with the cards he was dealt. Have folks suddenly forgotten how Burke couldn't handle ball pressure at all early this season? And we want to throw him against Bradley & Smart? Really? You want to throw an undrafted rookie that's barely played in months into the national spotlight? You think guys can easily adjust to that? I'm at loss for words.

I can understand criticizing strategy but there is no freaking talent to be maximized here. You can't cook chopped liver and expect it to taste like a porterhouse steak. You force Burke or Sato at PG and you'd likely get bad results if not worse than what Jennings did. You throw McClellan In and he's probably overwhelmed by the situation. I have hope for Sato but not as a PG. He showed what he couldn't do early on but some on here have apparently forgotten that.


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Or, he's not. 4/12 he wasn't. Neither was Burke in the same game.

The principle is synergy. Play random dudes to bring good energy. Don't assume depth chart is some caste system where only certain guys can play. Everybody on the team is in the NBA, including Ochefu.

You're being extreme here in assuming we're saying role player logs heavy minutes and wins game for Wizards. NOT what I'm saying at all. I'm saying Boston keeps walking down the same group of sorry bench players and this coach is as close minded as you are.
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Re: RE: Re: Game 2 EC SemiFinals: Wizards @ Celtics 8 PM (TNT/1500 AM) [5/2/17] 

Post#1122 » by DCZards » Thu May 4, 2017 12:03 am

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You've got to be kidding. Your blaming a coach for not throwing bench warmers into the game? Guys who have proven they aren't ready for prime time? And your bashing the coach for not using them in the 2nd round of the playoffs? That makes zero sense. Brooks is simply going with the cards he was dealt. Have folks suddenly forgotten how Burke couldn't handle ball pressure at all early this season? And we want to throw him against Bradley & Smart? Really? You want to throw an undrafted rookie that's barely played in months into the national spotlight? You think guys can easily adjust to that? I'm at loss for words.

I can understand criticizing strategy but there is no freaking talent to be maximized here. You can't cook chopped liver and expect it to taste like a porterhouse steak. You force Burke or Sato at PG and you'd likely get bad results if not worse than what Jennings did. You throw McClellan In and he's probably overwhelmed by the situation. I have hope for Sato but not as a PG. He showed what he couldn't do early on but some on here have apparently forgotten that.


Thanks, Dat. CCJ is a smart guy, but benching your all-star caliber SG during a closely-contested playoff game for guys like Sato, Burke and Mac (even for five minutes) is not a smart idea. It's more like a panic move.
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Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Game 2 EC SemiFinals: Wizards @ Celtics 8 PM (TNT/1500 AM) [5/2/17] 

Post#1123 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Thu May 4, 2017 4:44 am

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You've got to be kidding. Your blaming a coach for not throwing bench warmers into the game? Guys who have proven they aren't ready for prime time? And your bashing the coach for not using them in the 2nd round of the playoffs? That makes zero sense. Brooks is simply going with the cards he was dealt. Have folks suddenly forgotten how Burke couldn't handle ball pressure at all early this season? And we want to throw him against Bradley & Smart? Really? You want to throw an undrafted rookie that's barely played in months into the national spotlight? You think guys can easily adjust to that? I'm at loss for words.

I can understand criticizing strategy but there is no freaking talent to be maximized here. You can't cook chopped liver and expect it to taste like a porterhouse steak. You force Burke or Sato at PG and you'd likely get bad results if not worse than what Jennings did. You throw McClellan In and he's probably overwhelmed by the situation. I have hope for Sato but not as a PG. He showed what he couldn't do early on but some on here have apparently forgotten that.


Thanks, Dat. CCJ is a smart guy, but benching your all-star caliber SG during a closely-contested playoff game for guys like Sato, Burke and Mac (even for five minutes) is not a smart idea. It's more like a panic move.

Playing Bogdanovic more minutes is not a smart move. As good as Beal has played this season, I recall Garrett Temple last season playing smarter and often better than Bradley.

Panic move my ass, DCZ. Benching for situational substitution is what it is. Nothing says you can't bring Beal back out there in ONE FREAKING MINUTE.

What part of he and John were exhausted don't you and Dat not understand?



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Re: Game 2 EC SemiFinals: Wizards @ Celtics 8 PM (TNT/1500 AM) [5/2/17] 

Post#1124 » by tontoz » Thu May 4, 2017 12:25 pm

Beal has had games this year when he got off to a bad start but turned it around in the 2nd half. He was an abomination last game, but it was one game. You don't bench him over one bad game.

Let's not forget that over the previous 4 games he averaged 29 ppg.

We don't have Temple right now. I never cared much for him but he is better than any of our backup guards by a wide margin.
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Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Game 2 EC SemiFinals: Wizards @ Celtics 8 PM (TNT/1500 AM) [5/2/17] 

Post#1125 » by DCZards » Thu May 4, 2017 1:29 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Playing Bogdanovic more minutes is not a smart move. As good as Beal has played this season, I recall Garrett Temple last season playing smarter and often better than Bradley.

Panic move my ass, DCZ. Benching for situational substitution is what it is. Nothing says you can't bring Beal back out there in ONE FREAKING MINUTE.

What part of he and John were exhausted don't you and Dat not understand?


Why are you even talking about last season? For one, Temple isn't on the team this year, and secondly Beal has taken his game to a level this season that Temple will never, ever approach.

Yes, Temple is a lot better than the guys you suggest substituting for Beal. I'd love to have him there to spell Beal instead of Sato, Burke or Mac. But Garrett plays for Sac and not the Zards.

And what exactly would "ONE FREAKING MINUTE" on the bench do for Beal? It's certainly not the rest you seem to think he needed.
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Post#1126 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Thu May 4, 2017 4:42 pm

DCZards wrote:
Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Playing Bogdanovic more minutes is not a smart move. As good as Beal has played this season, I recall Garrett Temple last season playing smarter and often better than Bradley.

Panic move my ass, DCZ. Benching for situational substitution is what it is. Nothing says you can't bring Beal back out there in ONE FREAKING MINUTE.

What part of he and John were exhausted don't you and Dat not understand?


Why are you even talking about last season? For one, Temple isn't on the team this year, and secondly Beal has taken his game to a level this season that Temple will never, ever approach.

Yes, Temple is a lot better than the guys you suggest substituting for Beal. I'd love to have him there to spell Beal instead of Sato, Burke or Mac. But Garrett plays for Sac and not the Zards.

And what exactly would "ONE FREAKING MINUTE" on the bench do for Beal? It's certainly not the rest you seem to think he needed.

Beal is so young and strong that I personally think he's drained mentally, not so much physically. Taking a guy out for one minute to watch a sub make just one good closeout, or grab a rebound, or scoring can give a player like Beal enthusiasm. Instant encouragement. Redirect Beal. This no matter who the sub is.

I am surprised to get such resistance to what is a very simple concept. One minute of Satoransky at SG in Beal's place when Beal is sulking might help.

Satoransky can pass and he can dunk. Do the Celtics have any game footage on him? No. He is watching how they are holding Beal. He's accustomed to that kind of defense in international play.

This stick with starters and give no chance to others is real myopic. Losing with Beal playing 47 minutes? My way of trotting out McClellan and Satoransky for a combination of ten minutes MIGHT result in 37 improved minutes from Beal and a win.

Play some dudes who are eager and not mentally hemmed up! Free Beal's legs and clear his head and talk him up while he's sitting next to you on the bench. The game is a marathon. Stevens is getting good minutes from Smart, Rozier, and Olynyk; but Wizards fans seem to think Jennings and Bogdanovic are the entire bench.

They are not!

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Re: Game 2 EC SemiFinals: Wizards @ Celtics 8 PM (TNT/1500 AM) [5/2/17] 

Post#1127 » by AFM » Thu May 4, 2017 5:14 pm

Not a bad idea CCJ. We should start Sheldon Mac, Sato, McCullough, Ochefu, and Burke. They have no scouting reports on these guys and will be real unprepared!
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Re: Game 2 EC SemiFinals: Wizards @ Celtics 8 PM (TNT/1500 AM) [5/2/17] 

Post#1128 » by dobrojim » Thu May 4, 2017 5:23 pm

not reading 57 pages of this to check if anyone else was annoyed as I was by
the incredibly bad Greg Anthony as TNT analyst. Just awful.
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Re: Game 2 EC SemiFinals: Wizards @ Celtics 8 PM (TNT/1500 AM) [5/2/17] 

Post#1129 » by 80sballboy » Thu May 4, 2017 5:51 pm

dobrojim wrote:not reading 57 pages of this to check if anyone else was annoyed as I was by
the incredibly bad Greg Anthony as TNT analyst. Just awful.


Didn't really notice him that much. Any examples of why he was bad?
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Re: RE: Re: Game 2 EC SemiFinals: Wizards @ Celtics 8 PM (TNT/1500 AM) [5/2/17] 

Post#1130 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Thu May 4, 2017 9:12 pm

AFM wrote:Not a bad idea CCJ. We should start Sheldon Mac, Sato, McCullough, Ochefu, and Burke. They have no scouting reports on these guys and will be real unprepared!

:)

It would be funny if they jumped out to a slight lead.

The scientific method says consider it a trial effort and measure the results.

I would call them random entropy lineup. Yes, I am a madman. :)

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Post#1131 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Thu May 4, 2017 9:16 pm

80sballboy wrote:
dobrojim wrote:not reading 57 pages of this to check if anyone else was annoyed as I was by
the incredibly bad Greg Anthony as TNT analyst. Just awful.


Didn't really notice him that much. Any examples of why he was bad?

Along with Shaq he has the ability to really annoy me. Shaq is so petty and mean-spirited with McGee. Anthony, I recall from watching him in the past (haven't listened to him lately) comes off the same way. Downs players a lot.



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Re: Game 2 EC SemiFinals: Wizards @ Celtics 8 PM (TNT/1500 AM) [5/2/17] 

Post#1132 » by AFM » Fri May 5, 2017 12:08 am

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Re: Game 2 EC SemiFinals: Wizards @ Celtics 8 PM (TNT/1500 AM) [5/2/17] 

Post#1133 » by AFM » Fri May 5, 2017 12:16 am

I agree wth CCJ on this one, Beal is gonna get 40
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Re: Game 2 EC SemiFinals: Wizards @ Celtics 8 PM (TNT/1500 AM) [5/2/17] 

Post#1134 » by dobrojim » Fri May 5, 2017 7:28 pm

80sballboy wrote:
dobrojim wrote:not reading 57 pages of this to check if anyone else was annoyed as I was by
the incredibly bad Greg Anthony as TNT analyst. Just awful.


Didn't really notice him that much. Any examples of why he was bad?


constant fawning over the C's when they were getting away with a lot of $hit.
"great screen by Horford" on plays that would have made a pulling guard leading
the sweep (NFL) proud. Stuff like that. Go back and rewatch if you can.

He was realling pi$$ing me off.
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