2017 Isaiah Thomas is better than any version of Iverson.

[BigTrade92]

If IT is THAT good, he should be able to carry the C's to the Finals.

Except for the fact that, you know, Thomas has to go through LeBron James, a top 5 player in the history of the game currently playing in his prime.

Show me when Iverson had to get through prime Jordan or even prime Kobe for that matter?

Oh wait, he never did.

[Yoshun]

Ask Isaiah and he would tell you that Iverson was legendary the year he carried those sixers to the finals.

It was at times 1 on 5...His sixers team had no other offensive option

AI was a beast that year, he was their whole offense, no doubt. Honestly though, the same could be said for IT. Outside of IT, the Celtic's offense is just sad.

[True Story]

If IT is THAT good, he should be able to carry the C's to the Finals.

Except for the fact that, you know, Thomas has to go through LeBron James, a top 5 player in the history of the game currently playing in his prime.

Show me when Iverson had to get through prime Jordan or even prime Kobe for that matter?

Oh wait, he never did.

Bron isnt in his prime, and the C's are a REAL #1 seed, remember?

[Trippinskarlo]

Anyone who disagrees can fight me with actual data and evidence. I'm addressing this because I see people constantly pissing on IT while Iverson is on some nostalgic pedestal and it annoys me. Both were mediocre defenders who got steals in the passing lanes but not much else (although Iverson was better defensively). Isaiah's efficiency on offense more than makes up for PG defense.

"But defense!" People need to realize PG defense was never a huge thing. Sure, big PG's like Gary Payton, Jason Kidd, Dennis Johnson who also guarded 2s and 3s. But most other hall of fame PG's didn't play a lick of defense. Stop being hypocritical.

This is not an objective group of people to get data from. Probably 80% of users have a bad taste in their mouth revolving around the celtics. You should askthe question on a seperate forum and post the results here. Your statement is objectively true and should be acknowledged.

[OsuCavsfan103]

Member when Lebron got tapped in the face by Tristan Thompson and he acted like he got taken out by a sniper? I remember.

And that has to do with...? Kinda pathetic deflection there my friend.

[True Story]

Oh no **** IT is playing better, Kobe is the one who is helping him.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19304461/boston-celtics-guard-isaiah-thomas-enlisted-help-former-los-angeles-lakers-star-kobe-bryant

GOATbe Bryant.

[GreenBloodedC]

Oh no **** IT is playing better, Kobe is the one who is helping him.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19304461/boston-celtics-guard-isaiah-thomas-enlisted-help-former-los-angeles-lakers-star-kobe-bryant

GOATbe Bryant.

IT to lakers confirmed

*I just puked a little typing that*

[True Story]

Oh no **** IT is playing better, Kobe is the one who is helping him.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19304461/boston-celtics-guard-isaiah-thomas-enlisted-help-former-los-angeles-lakers-star-kobe-bryant

GOATbe Bryant.

IT to lakers confirmed

*I just puked a little typing that*

Nah I dont want that midget on our team.

[Braggins]

CONTEXT

[dangermouse]

Nope.

And that's coming from a massive Iverson hater.

[RingsDontLie]

If he does the impossible and beat the GOAT Lebron James, then I think it does deserve some conversation.

[PierceFan4ever]

Nobody is saying IT's career is better than Allen's...probably never will be I think at this point, but this season is worthy of comparing to AI's best in which is better. If IT beats Lebron, there's no debate on who's had the best single season. Right now it's really close, IT isn't done yet.

[ballislife]

Prime Iverson was an MVP. Isaiah not even on the 1st team. Case closed.

End thread.

I really like IT, but the fact that he's starting to be compared to the greatest players of all time based on 2 good seasons, it bothers me. Let him make it to the ECF first, let him become an MVP or 1st team All-NBA... then we can have that discussion.

The little man is good, he's awesome... but Iverson would literally break his ankles which would result in him losing a tooth if IT tried to guard him. Iverson is one of the greatest scorers of all time.

[Duke4life831]

Prime Iverson was an MVP. Isaiah not even on the 1st team. Case closed.

End thread.

I really like IT, but the fact that he's starting to be compared to the greatest players of all time based on 2 good seasons, it bothers me. Let him make it to the ECF first, let him become an MVP or 1st team All-NBA... then we can have that discussion.

The little man is good, he's awesome... but Iverson would literally break his ankles which would result in him losing a tooth if IT tried to guard him. Iverson is one of the greatest scorers of all time.

Thats not end thread worthy though. AI's 01 season wouldnt have won him the MVP this season and he wouldnt have made the 1st team either this year. Same goes for people saying IT has to take his team to the finals for it to be close, AI wouldnt have made it to the finals past this Cavs team. And again this thread isnt about if IT has surpassed AI as a player. Its a pretty simple question, did IT just put together a season better than any season AI had. For instance Chris Johnson's 2009 season is a greater single season performance than any single season Walter Payton had, no one is going to argue that Chris Johnson is the better RB over Payton, but you can sit back and say he did have a better single season than Payton ever had. Thats what we are doing here, we are talking about an individual season.

[Sark]

Let me guess, OP thinks Adrian Dantley is better than Kobe too. I mean he did put up mutliple 30 ppg seasons on >62% TS. He had better TS seasons than Jordan. He might be the GOAT.

[HeartBreakKid]

Let me guess, OP thinks Adrian Dantley is better than Kobe too. I mean he did put up mutliple 30 ppg seasons on >62% TS. He had better TS seasons than Jordan. He might be the GOAT.

Adrian Dantleys weakness is that he couldn't play within the flow of an offense properly, which is a criticism of Allen iverson.

So Iverson can't play within the flow of an offense as well as Thomas and he is less efficient


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[HeartBreakKid]

Allen Iverson averaging 40 points In today's NBA, now I've heard everything

People do realize that rose,Westbrook and Wall are just as fast as Iverson while significantly stronger and they don't average anything close to that.

Lebron James, Stephen curry, Wade, Durant - those guys barely have had 30 point seasons but Iverson is going to destroy everyone


Iverson was not the best player of his era or even close, why on earth would he be averaging 40 points today?


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[EmperorLocky]

Iverson has always been hugely overrated. Great player but even compare his MVP season to IT this season and IT wins out. Iverson was elite but inefficient offensively. Defensively better but IT is a beast on the offense he makes up for it.

Never understood the Iverson hype. Maybe if he practiced he could have been better than IT.

[permaximum]

The amount of ignorance in this thread is beyond belief. Now I know why I don't really watch NBA games anymore.

Someone says Philly won Game 1 of the finals because Kobe was stopped defensively by other players. Kobe couldn't do anything offensively because he spent all of his energy trying to defend Iverson and he still couldn't. After that, he wasn't the primary defender of Iverson in the series.

Someone points out some stupid TS%, WS arguments without the context of USAGE%, team TS% and MPG which is comical.

If you want to play poor man's stat game Iverson's career averages are better than Isaiah's 2017. Iverson was doing 55/8 in a 90 point game in playoffs compared to Isaiah's best 53/4 in a 130 point game. Iverson's playoff career average is 30 ppg. 2nd best of all time.

There's only 0.03 TS% difference between Kobe and Iverson although Kobe's prime fell into no-handcheck era unlike AI and Iverson's stats are better than Kobe's. What I'm saying is you're comparing Isaiah to 2nd or 3rd best SG of all time. You guys are nuts.

Reading comprehension is very important. I said that Iverson didn't singlehandedly win the game because their defense on Kobe was very important in winning that game. Iverson carried their offense, but if Kobe wasn't shut down they would have still lost the game despite his performance. Your argument is that Kobe got so tired from guarding Iverson that he had a 33.4 TS% and 6 TOV. Kobe had 3 turnovers and was 1/4 FG in the first quarter. So your argument is that he was already tired from guarding Iverson to start the game so it caused him to have 3 early turnovers and to get blocked by Tyrone Hill on one of his attempts?

The worst way to have discussion is to get emotional about it, there's nothing to be emotional about. Each and everyone of us understands that even when a player carries a team in one aspect there can be other significant factors that lead to the team winning. That's why we have players who drop an efficient 50+ points in a game, regular season, post-season, whatever, and still lose.

If you go into the if game, you'll open a can of worms so drop it.

How many of those turnovers came from AI or AI's help and how many times Kobe had to run back? You can get tired in a minute if you sprint from one end to another. You need to get this fact first.

Better yet, I suggest you watch some games instead of checking stats. Because you're not analysing even those properly and you lack data to make comparisons to Isaiah.

There's a reason Iverson was selected MVP and All-NBA 7 times. Because those people had watched the games. Trust me they did know how to check FG% which was even worse than TS% for Iverson.

[jfs1000d]

Let me guess, OP thinks Adrian Dantley is better than Kobe too. I mean he did put up mutliple 30 ppg seasons on >62% TS. He had better TS seasons than Jordan. He might be the GOAT.

OT, but dantley was a tremendous offensive layer.


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