Comfortably Plum - the Miles Plumlee Thread

[Braggins]

The only hope and silver lining I had in that trade was at least he's not Hibbert.

Its been a few years since we had a backup center who was capable of running. It will at least be a positive that Plumlee won't be the slowest player on the court 99.9% of the time like Al and Hibbert.

[JDR720]

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[HornetJail]

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great pickup...

[Diop]

Off season clean up wouldn't be unusual surely

[SWedd523]

So much for getting back in shape.

Sad that he even needed to "get back in shape". Making all that money to be a lazy, unprofessional assclown.


If Cho doesn't get retained after this current contract, I have to think the Plumber trade will be one of the straws that breaks the camel's back.

[Braggins]

I definitely think this might be the single worst move in Cho's history as GM (not counting Big Al signing, but I don't want to go there). Cho's two worst trades have been his last two. I still have a strong suspicion that Clifford/MJ were the driving force behind both deals (they seem the opposite of Cho's usually MO), but still.

[yosemiteben]

We have very little evidence about whether Miles will work out, too early to judge there. If injuries occurring count in grading GMs, then passing on Winslow and letting McRoberts walk was a stroke of genius.

[yosemiteben]

Just to expound, the fact that Miles was hurt during most of the time he was in CHA is annoying but not really relevant in judging the trade. It's actually kind of ironic that one might complain about not tanking while simultaneously complaining about trading for a player that is not able to play for health reasons. Let's assume we were better (or at least not worse) off as a franchise last season doing the trade because (a) we got a decent lotto pick anyway and (b) we got to do a meaningful tryout for JOB that turned into a deal for next season.

So let's look at our cap situation right now: http://www.basketballinsiders.com/charlotte-hornets-team-salary/

If we don't do the trade, seems highly likely that Hawes exercises his PO because on the floor he wasn't really showing any sign of being able to help a team. Subtract Miles's money and add back Hawes, and we are right around $6M above the $101M cap (taking into account the JOB and Weber deals and waiving CWood, but not taking into account our draft salaries). If we decline Sessions, we still don't have meaningful cap space. Also, as a reminder, we are stuck with Hawes in the rotation with only the MLE and biannual exception to use in FA to get a backup C that better fits our scheme and a backup PG. If you want to play MKG at PF and Frank at C as your solution, Frank and Marv together were very bad (-5.4 net rating when on the floor together). If you want to play Frank at PF next to Hawes, that also didn't work (-5.5 net rating when on the floor together).

We were going to be cap strapped either way. The question is, who would you rather have as your C2, Hawes or Miles?

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

I definitely think this might be the single worst move in Cho's history as GM (not counting Big Al signing, but I don't want to go there). Cho's two worst trades have been his last two. I still have a strong suspicion that Clifford/MJ were the driving force behind both deals (they seem the opposite of Cho's usually MO), but still.

I'm more in a wait and see mode on this. I do agree with a lot of what yosemiteben posted.

But if Plum doesn't work out then this very well might have been one of Cho's worst moves ever.

IMHO the other contenders are
* Beli trade as noted above
* Letting Biz walk for nothing
* Not actually trying to work a S&T for Hayward
* Drafting Vonleh (and yes he fell ... apparently for a reason)

[Braggins]

It's actually kind of ironic that one might complain about not tanking while simultaneously complaining about trading for a player that is not able to play for health reasons.

Eh, it wasn't that he wasn't able to give us anything in the short term that bothered me about the trade. My problem is that there doesn't seem to be much reason to believe he'll be able to give us anything more than what you'd expect from a 3rd string center moving forward and we're going to be paying him 12.5 mil for three more seasons, which is a pretty absurd contract if he isn't able to be productive.

So let's look at our cap situation right now: http://www.basketballinsiders.com/charlotte-hornets-team-salary/

If we don't do the trade, seems highly likely that Hawes exercises his PO because on the floor he wasn't really showing any sign of being able to help a team. Subtract Miles's money and add back Hawes, and we are right around $6M above the $101M cap (taking into account the JOB and Weber deals and waiving CWood, but not taking into account our draft salaries). If we decline Sessions, we still don't have meaningful cap space.

We were going to be cap strapped either way. The question is, who would you rather have as your C2, Hawes or Miles?

I'll give you that his salary is basically irrelevant to our cap situation this offseason. However, its going to hinder our cap flexibility in the next two offseasons after that if we are paying a 3rd string level center 12.5 mil. Thats going to be like 10%-12% of the cap in basically dead salary.

I'll also give you that its too early to say if its a bad deal, but everything we've seen so far has pointed more towards it potentially being a pretty awful trade.

[316Hornets]

Where are people getting idea miles is a 3rd string center? He was traded for during the season because the team knew the prospects this summer were bleak. Let's wait to see some of the deals before we mark this as a terrible move. Aaron baynes signing should be a good comparison to see if we were really robbed. I'm going with the thought that Miles fits this team perfectly and if he's able to come to camp healthy this year he is a strong #2/borderline #1 center. He's definitely no Diop..

[Braggins]

Where are people getting idea miles is a 3rd string center?

Go look at his career stats.

[yosemiteben]

Hes averaged more than 5 points once in the last seven seasons and it was four years ago. Its been six years since hes averaged more than 15mpg for a season.

Not sure where you're getting these numbers from. He averaged 25 mpg in the 2013-14 season. That wasn't six years ago.

[Braggins]

Hes averaged more than 5 points once in the last seven seasons and it was four years ago. Its been six years since hes averaged more than 15mpg for a season.

Not sure where you're getting these numbers from. He averaged 25 mpg in the 2013-14 season. That wasn't six years ago.

Lol, BBref. I just realized he was traded mid season twice and was reading his stats for different teams in the same season as individual seasons... Edited previous post.

[yosemiteben]

Hes averaged more than 5 points once in the last seven seasons and it was four years ago. Its been six years since hes averaged more than 15mpg for a season.

Not sure where you're getting these numbers from. He averaged 25 mpg in the 2013-14 season. That wasn't six years ago.

Lol, BBref. I just realized he was traded mid season twice and was reading his stats for different teams in the same season as individual seasons...

I've done that before...

He was promising in 2013-14. Then PHX decided they wanted Knight (whoops) and shipped Plumlee to MIL. Miles never had a clear role there. Monroe and Henson both got minutes and they play anti-PNR sets. It was just a really poor fit and I have no idea why they resigned him.

[yosemiteben]

Looked it up, post-ASB in the 2015-16 season Miles put up 8 points and 5 boards in 20 MPG on 60% TS.

That was why he got that deal from MIL. Then they bizarrely drafted Thon and used Miles as their third / fourth center behind Monroe and Thon and along with Henson.

[Gam]

Looked it up, post-ASB in the 2015-16 season Miles put up 8 points and 5 boards in 20 MPG on 60% TS.

That was why he got that deal from MIL. Then they bizarrely drafted Thon and used Miles as their third / fourth center behind Monroe and Thon and along with Henson.

Plum started the season (8 games) as our starting C and proceeded to play himself out of that role by being ****. Then Henson was made the starter, played poorly (not as badly as Plum tho) and got his job taken away by Thon playing well (for a rookie).

It's worth mentioning that the "starter" role I've been referring to is basically the 2nd string role because Monroe got the majority of our center minutes coming off the bench all season.

His game-log:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/plumlmi01/gamelog/2017

[fatlever]

Miles out here talking about tryin' to add a jumper this summer. How 'bout you just get your lazy ass in shape? Mmmk?

http://www.nba.com/hornets/2016-17-season-review-miles-plumlee

2017-18 Season Outlook
Plumlee has a guaranteed deal that runs through the 2019-20 NBA season. After undergoing successful arthroscopic debridement surgery on his right knee on May 2, Plumlee is eager to get back on the court as soon as possible.

“I’m extremely motivated. This summer’s huge. I plan on working really hard. “[It’s] disappointing. It’s tough to come in [through] a midseason trade, through injuries, get in a groove and build chemistry. I did my best to just fit and play hard. I think having a summer to work with the guys, work with the team will really be beneficial and show them what I can do next year.”

He added with regards to his summer plans, “I’m going to be around working with the guys. I love the strength coach here, [Matt Friia]. [Hornets assistant coach] Bruce [Kreutzer] is phenomenal with the shooting aspect of the game. I’m really excited to put in some work with him. I think he could be the last piece of the puzzle for me. I was a great shooter in high school and it kind of got away from me. I really think he can help add that element to my game.”

“We felt Miles [Plumlee] could help us and give us a physical presence as well as some athleticism on the front line,” stated Hornets General Manger Rich Cho on April 13. “It’s a big summer for him we told him in the exit interview yesterday. I think he’ll be able to help us once he’s healthy.”

[Diop]

looking forward to the Plumlee/MKG donkey match

[316Hornets]

Let go by Memphis. Might have been one of the worst contracts of the last 5 years.