Hammond to ORL: Confirmed by ownership

[Wooderson]

again...when you're dumping salary, getting anything in the form of Livingston and Tobias is a victory

Even when you're giving up Klay Thompson and Steph Curry to do so?

yes, steph was offered... sucks that they chose monta instead

at the time though, steph had the glass ankle problem and lots of people were scared off



and yes, not picking Klay...or Kawhi...sucks. But again, trying to get rid of terrible contracts costs.

Durrr if Hammond just sits on Gadz/Bell instead of going after Maggette, he'd never have to dump salary in the first place.

And why you continue to cite Tobias as a positive I have no idea. They got zero meaningful production from him or the assets he was traded for.

[blazza18]

even besides all that he STILL would have had perennial playoff teams if not for redd, bogut, sanders, parker, and middleton being lost for seasons at a time if not their careers.

If only John Hammond had Brandon Roy and Greg Oden instead. Then maybe he'd be able to get his franchise above .500 more than 22% of the time like Portland did.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

If Hammond has been told what to do through 2 regimes

yes he has

has been handcuffed

yes again

forced into terrible decisions,

yes... some terrible ones. but also some good ones against them.

made to sign players to awful contracts,

gooden that's it in 9 years. if you can find teams that want your contract then that contract isnt awful. that's actually a fact.

basically had his genius stifled at every turn

all gms are sorta good or sorta bad. they can get really lucky or really unlucky.

and decided to stay with the company 9 years.

like everybody with a job in corporate America that pays well

I have no respect for his as a man.

Plus he has no clue how to build a team.

except for the two times hes done it.

the first team built around an all nba teamer named Andrew bogut who we would have won a lot with if he hadn't gotten injured. remember when we were the darling of the league and he won the executive of the year award?
and now again with Giannis. hopefully he doesn't get injured.

[paulpressey25]

Sweet Jesus this is great. Just saw this.

[Wooderson]

gooden that's it in 9 years. if you can find teams that want your contract then that contract isnt awful. that's actually a fact.

Plumlee contract was still awful. They paid and were counting on him to be a contributor at a weak position and he provided next to nothing. The team suffered for it. Add in Henson and they had $25 million invested in two players at the same position while getting nearly zero production in return.

These are the type of moves we can't afford to make at this stage in the game. 4 offseasons to give Giannis enough support to convince him to stick around.

[Baddy Chuck]

Assuming ole Hambone gets another job in Orlando, on a scale of 1-10 how afraid are you of the Magic in the next oh lets say 9 seasons?

I'm at about a 2-3.

[Matches Malone]

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[har13]

Plumlee, Monroe, Henson and Teletovic, 52 mils for some good games from Monroe, i can't b happy with that, sorry.
(i'm not saying anything about Delly 10 mils because i like the guy )

[Wooderson]

Could have cut this thread in half with the good ol Hammond flowchart. After 6 years on the job, Bucks had arguably the worst collection of assets in the league. The Bogut injury was a big hit, but having nothing to show for him 2 years later is indefensible.

Spoiler:

The turnarounds impressive for sure, but it's mostly on two massive home run moves. Taking everything into account, no confidence Hammond can make the auxiliary moves to get them to contender status. Hopefully he starts to prove me wrong this offseason if he's still a decision maker.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

gooden that's it in 9 years. if you can find teams that want your contract then that contract isnt awful. that's actually a fact.

Plumlee contract was still awful. They paid and were counting on him to be a contributor at a weak position and he provided next to nothing. The team suffered for it. Add in Henson and they had $25 million invested in two players at the same position while getting nearly zero production in return.

These are the type of moves we can't afford to make at this stage in the game. 4 offseasons to give Giannis enough support to convince him to stick around.

the plumlee contract cost us NOTHING. it had the potential to be bad but it wasn't. its a footnote. its nothing.

Henson is awful why? is it because the board doesn't like him? is that actually your standard.... that if fans don't like players it means their deal is bad too?

we can move Henson anytime we damn well please to multiple teams. like him or not like him his contract is not awful. hes the definition of an "average contract".

the definition of an awful deal is when you sign a guy and then you cant move him for somebody else who can help more or for expirings to get your money back. there is no other definition. Hammond has been outstanding handing out contracts. theres only been one guy...gooden.... who was an awful contract in 9 friggin years.

[Wooderson]

the plumlee contract cost us NOTHING. it had the potential to be bad but it wasn't. its a footnote. its nothing.

Henson is awful why? is it because the board doesn't like him? is that actually a standard.... that if fans don't like players it means their deal is bad too?

we can move Henson anytime we damn well please to multiple teams. like him or not like him his contract is not awful.

the definition of an awful deal is when you sign a guy and then you cant move him. there is no other definition.

When you tie up 25% of the cap on guys that give you 29 total playoff minutes (and bad ones), yeah I consider those contracts/moves awful. Henson is terrible and couldn't even get minutes over Thon despite being given every opportunity throughout the year.

If the Bucks continue giving out Plumlee/Henson deals they won't sniff contender status and Giannis will be gone before you know it.

[KidA24]

gooden that's it in 9 years. if you can find teams that want your contract then that contract isnt awful. that's actually a fact.

Plumlee contract was still awful. They paid and were counting on him to be a contributor at a weak position and he provided next to nothing. The team suffered for it. Add in Henson and they had $25 million invested in two players at the same position while getting nearly zero production in return.

These are the type of moves we can't afford to make at this stage in the game. 4 offseasons to give Giannis enough support to convince him to stick around.

the plumlee contract cost us NOTHING. it had the potential to be bad but it wasn't. its a footnote. its nothing.

Henson is awful why? is it because the board doesn't like him? is that actually your standard.... that if fans don't like players it means their deal is bad too?

we can move Henson anytime we damn well please to multiple teams. like him or not like him his contract is not awful. hes the definition of an "average contract".

the definition of an awful deal is when you sign a guy and then you cant move him for somebody else who can help more or for expirings to get your money back. there is no other definition. Hammond has been outstanding handing out contracts. theres only been one guy...gooden.... who was an awful contract in 9 friggin years.

It cost the Bucks cap space. Cap space is an asset. They used an asset to acquire **** in a bowl.

[Wisky4life]

Hammond on the way out....Hopefully Orlando will take Kidd as well. Make it happen!

[Prince12]

Teams like Milwaukee don't win or stand a chance without some home runs in the draft. We have continually **** the bed in free agency which has killed us but yet when it's all said and done we will look back at Giannis/Thon/Brogdon as brilliant picks and Middleton as a steal in a trade although I believe that was unintentional.

Would be more then happy for him to draft at 17 this year then move on. Nothing scares me more then the money we could blow yet again this offseason.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

the plumlee contract cost us NOTHING. it had the potential to be bad but it wasn't. its a footnote. its nothing.

Henson is awful why? is it because the board doesn't like him? is that actually a standard.... that if fans don't like players it means their deal is bad too?

we can move Henson anytime we damn well please to multiple teams. like him or not like him his contract is not awful.

the definition of an awful deal is when you sign a guy and then you cant move him. there is no other definition.

When you tie up 25% of the cap on guys that give you 29 total playoff minutes (and bad ones), yeah I consider those contracts/moves awful. Henson is terrible and couldn't even get minutes over Thon despite being given every opportunity throughout the year.

If the Bucks continue giving out Plumlee/Henson deals they won't sniff contender status and Giannis will be gone before you know it.

yes...it appears hes out of the rotation. this offseason we'll trade him for another player who can help or for expirings and that will be the end of it. we probably should have traded him at the deadline for the offers that were available. complain about that if you want but the contract is well within an acceptable range of value for him. it wasn't a bad contract it was "a contract".

[buckboy]

The fact that there's people that think Hammond was anything other than a train wreck is fascinating to me.

show me his faults, and I'll show you meddling ownership and coaches

I guess that's a theory. If you give me a couple hours I guess I could compile a list of his faults.

He's been a terrible GM for a long damn time. Yes, he drafted Giannis. Thanks, appreciate it. Don't let the door hit you in the ass.

[Triple 7]

Guys, read the original tweet. Orlando is interested in Hammond. That doesn't mean that Hammond is interested in Orlando.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

It cost the Bucks cap space. Cap space is an asset. They used an asset to acquire **** in a bowl.

yeah yeah yeah.... cap space for bad contracts and picks like the sixers do is what you want right? maybe we'll go that route when we aren't trying to win.

[Baddy Chuck]

It cost the Bucks cap space. Cap space is an asset. They used an asset to acquire **** in a bowl.

yeah yeah yeah.... cap space for bad contracts and picks like the sixers do is what you want right? maybe we'll go that route when we aren't trying to win.

Hell, that type of move might have been Hammonds best "win now" trade of his career sans Salmons (Dudley).

[Zeezprah]

laugh at the flippant "just lucked out on giannis"/"just drafted giannis"

that move alone could set the bucks up for multiple championships in the future.

i don't mind people thinking he's a bad GM, but to write off drafting giannis as some small footnote is hilarity