KingDavid wrote:Duke4life831 wrote:KingDavid wrote:Ah OK, thanks for the correction.
Well there's no real dispute to straight stats. We're strictly speaking offense, right? (I think he's better on defense than advertised).
But you don't think the eras kind of skew the results a bit? How would IT fare in that era? And AI in this one? It's easier for perimeter players nowadays. IT busted his ass and used current rules to his advantage and led his team to the best record in the East.
I fell like I'm discrediting IT and I don't want to. He's had a great season.
Im talking overall season not just offense. I also agree that you cant compare stats straight up. I just think people are drastically over estimating the difference. If its so much easier for guards to score, why havent we seen guards put up gaudy scoring seasons. Curry last year put up one of the most efficient and electrifying offensive seasons we have seen in a long time and he still averaged just 30 ppg.
Probably because scoring point guards aren't that common now. I think you and I mostly agree here. I don't think the comparison is asinine like others are implying here, a few seasons of more peak scoring like this from IT and it's absolutely a warranted comparison and then some. This whole 45ppg though is bananas.
Ya I think you and I are basically saying the same thing and agreeing, we're just slightly on different sides of the line, which I think is perfectly understandable. I also think scoring PGs are more common now than we have ever seen before. I havent really looked into this but just a quick comparison, this year we had 11 PGS that averaged at least 20ppg, in 2001 there were 3.
And again I just want to make sure Im clear, Im not saying IT has a better career or a better peak than AI, I agree IT needs a lot more years of level of play similar to these last two years for that conversation to begin. But if we are comparing just single season performance, I think it is definitely comparable.
What a disconnect. OP wants to uses stats show that IT's current offensive season is better than any of AIs, minimize anything defense and than nuance all the crazy variables involved...but at the end is still forced to admit that Allen Iverson is the better and more talented player (he didn't want to say it out right but he did)..That's taking an L. Thomas is more efficient, so what? Laughable indeed. And I like how people are absolutely dismissing Iverson's impact on defense because he wasn't a great defender and obviously would not or could not exert as much effort on that end due to his scoring load. The point is he still made an impact! For the most part he was a willing defender, especially young AI..if you put the ball on the floor he was getting in a stance and making you work. 2017 Thomas isn't even close to Georgetown era Iverson on defense..that alone makes this discussion laughable. Defense is the same reason why i'd take John Wall over Thomas. I think most people who play and watch a lot of basketball would agree. We can celebrate our good offensive talents without getting crazy.
