S&T options?

[Jcrawfordcross]

It's going to be a long off-season and since we will not have any cap space to improve our team, how about looking at realistic and unrealistic sign and trade targets?

I know we chased Paul Milsap a couple of years ago and missed but can we sell him on a chance to win here? Probably not as he probably wants to make a deep run in the playoffs and playing LeBron 4 times a year won't help our chances. But could a Tobias + filler for Milsap be of any interest? Atlanta is paying Dwight Howard a ton and is unhappy with his role/minutes. Maybe Atlanta goes the direction of playing Schroder and a bunch of forwards + Dwight making switching on pick and rolls easier? I don't know I'm reaching lol.

Danilo Gallinari? Tobias or Mook + Leur?

I can't believe I am saying this but Joe Ingles?! Isn't GREAT at anything but doesn't seem to have any weaknesses either.

Spurs love stanimal, could we work out a package and try to get Jonathan Simmons? Athletic, defensive player who attacks the rim...sound familiar?

The list gets quite thin...

[MotownMadness]

Jeff Teague for Reggie?

[Drwho17]

Yes, that is what I was thinking also Jeff Teague for Reggie Jackson. Get that done.

[coordinator0]

Millsap? Absolutely not. He's going to want a ton of money and adding him to Jackson and Drummond isn't going to make the team significantly better. Don't get me wrong Paul is a great player but the problem here is Reggie and Andre. Until those two vastly improve or are gone the Pistons aren't doing much regardless of who's filled in around them. Unless it's two or three elite guys, then they might be able to overshadow those two enough to get a good team. But Millsap isn't that type of player.

Gallinari? For Harris? Why? If you want an offensive forward Tobias is more than good enough. Not quite the shooter Danilo is, but the difference isn't going to change things significantly for the Pistons.

I'm not going to touch packaging Johnson for Simmons.

I'd be all over trading Jackson in any facet though. Sign-and-trade, straight up trade, don't care. But sign-and-trades in particular are mostly dead. There isn't much value left in it for players or teams. I wouldn't expect anything worthwhile to happen in one of those for any team this summer.

[DBC10]

Yeah I'm in favor of getting out from RJ's contract for whatever expirings we can get. Or just anything, get crippled Rudy Gay for all I care.

I like Jeff Teague and think he still has some in him to perform for us, I'm thinking his pay day might be a bit higher than we'd like though.

[Pharaoh]

Teague is looking at $20 mil per so significantly more expensive than RJ

IF RJ is dealt we'll likely take back someone like DJ (around $7-10 mil) where the team taking RJ has cap space to absorb the rest of his deal

It's one reason why I think we stand pat

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[coordinator0]

IF RJ is dealt we'll likely take back someone like DJ (around $7-10 mil) where the team taking RJ has cap space to absorb the rest of his deal

Still an upgrade.

Also, Teague at $20 million on average > Jackson at $16 million on average. Jeff is a significantly better player, although that's not saying much. He's not terribly great either.

[Pharaoh]

IF RJ is dealt we'll likely take back someone like DJ (around $7-10 mil) where the team taking RJ has cap space to absorb the rest of his deal

Still an upgrade.

Also, Teague at $20 million on average > Jackson at $16 million on average. Jeff is a significantly better player, although that's not saying much. He's not terribly great either.

Yeah but it's not really about Teague v RJ - I doubt Indiana do that

I think part of the reason Bird walked away is because PG is getting traded to the Lakers and he didn't wanna be the guy to give Magic what he wanted

So with PG out of Indy there's no place for Reggie.

They'll retain Teague to be the leader for Turner and the Laker kids they get & hope to rebuild on the fly...which would be another reason for Bird to walk away

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[Canadafan]

How about Gallinari? LEuer Ellenson draft pick for him
We become 9 deep and greatly improve our 3pt shooting. SJ gets near 24 a game. Boban and Ish near 18. And the rest roughly 30 minutes/ game.
AD 30 Boban 18
Gallinari 30 Tobias 18
MM 30 Tobias 12 SJ 6
KCP 30 SJ 18
RJ 30 Ish 18

Still very young with potential

[A_dub06]

How about Gallinari? LEuer Ellenson draft pick for him
We become 9 deep and greatly improve our 3pt shooting. SJ gets near 24 a game. Boban and Ish near 18. And the rest roughly 30 minutes/ game.
AD 30 Boban 18
Gallinari 30 Tobias 18
MM 30 Tobias 12 SJ 6
KCP 30 SJ 18
RJ 30 Ish 18

Still very young with potential

Are you crazy? I'd trade Leuer in a heartbeat and do a pick swap but I'm not trading Ellenson who hadn't really played nor our first rounder. If it's a draft night trade and nobody falls it's still questionable at best. Why would we move more young talent for a player that's currently in his prime and not going to be at his best when our other guys develop? I'd like Gallo on this team but that price is absurd


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[BadMofoPimp]

Gallinari is horribly overrated. Not sure if it because he is a white boy or something. He is good, but not great. Not even sure if he is better than Harris when considering he misses 28 games per season on average due to injury over the last 5 seasons.

[Canadafan]

Sigh. Ok. Well Leuer and a 2nd rounder then. My point being I think he would be a great fit here

[sfballa13]

Reggie to the Kings, you listening SVG?

Woj credits the team’s (Kings) interest in Pistons forward Josh Smith for the increasingly strained tensions between Malone and management over the summer. Smith is considered to have one of the worst contracts in the league, and yet the Kings wanted him alongside Cousins for reasons that aren’t exactly clear. Even thinking about Smith — who is owed $13.5 million a year for the next three seasons — is lunacy and demonstrates a clear lack of understanding in how constructing a good team works.

But but but SVG was a genius for paying Josh 5-6M a year to leave the team

[Pharaoh]

Reggie to the Kings, you listening SVG?

Woj credits the team’s (Kings) interest in Pistons forward Josh Smith for the increasingly strained tensions between Malone and management over the summer. Smith is considered to have one of the worst contracts in the league, and yet the Kings wanted him alongside Cousins for reasons that aren’t exactly clear. Even thinking about Smith — who is owed $13.5 million a year for the next three seasons — is lunacy and demonstrates a clear lack of understanding in how constructing a good team works.

But but but SVG was a genius for paying Josh 5-6M a year to leave the team

Yes, SVG was a genius to get Smith off the team without taking back any poor contracts or giving up any picks.

And I imagine that's the plan with Reggie - we won't want a bad contract and we won't want to give up a pick

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[sfballa13]

Reggie to the Kings, you listening SVG?

Woj credits the team’s (Kings) interest in Pistons forward Josh Smith for the increasingly strained tensions between Malone and management over the summer. Smith is considered to have one of the worst contracts in the league, and yet the Kings wanted him alongside Cousins for reasons that aren’t exactly clear. Even thinking about Smith — who is owed $13.5 million a year for the next three seasons — is lunacy and demonstrates a clear lack of understanding in how constructing a good team works.

But but but SVG was a genius for paying Josh 5-6M a year to leave the team

Yes, SVG was a genius to get Smith off the team without taking back any poor contracts or giving up any picks.

And I imagine that's the plan with Reggie - we won't want a bad contract and we won't want to give up a pick

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Bad contract? we would be paying 6-7M more than we are right now for another player who could contribute to the roster

Josh Smith (5M) + new player (6-7M) = what Josh Smith was originally owed

Id rather have another player then losing 5M of cap space each year for a ghost

And at that time Vivek was obsessed with Smith imagine what they would have traded back for him

But it's ok instead of signing someone like Boban with that 5M we are paying a ghost 5M, thanks SVG

[MotownMadness]

Reggie to the Kings, you listening SVG?

Woj credits the team’s (Kings) interest in Pistons forward Josh Smith for the increasingly strained tensions between Malone and management over the summer. Smith is considered to have one of the worst contracts in the league, and yet the Kings wanted him alongside Cousins for reasons that aren’t exactly clear. Even thinking about Smith — who is owed $13.5 million a year for the next three seasons — is lunacy and demonstrates a clear lack of understanding in how constructing a good team works.

But but but SVG was a genius for paying Josh 5-6M a year to leave the team

Yes, SVG was a genius to get Smith off the team without taking back any poor contracts or giving up any picks.

And I imagine that's the plan with Reggie - we won't want a bad contract and we won't want to give up a pick

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Bad contract? we would be paying 6-7M more than we are right now for another player who could contribute to the roster

Josh Smith (5M) + new player (6-7M) = what Josh Smith was originally owed

Id rather have another player then losing 5M of cap space each year for a ghost

And at that time Vivek was obsessed with Smith imagine what they would have traded back for him

But it's ok instead of signing someone like Boban with that 5M we are paying a ghost 5M, thanks SVG

Contribute? I feel like people already forget just what a shot chucking cancer he was. I would have paid a ghost 15 mil in cap space not to see him again. You have zero chance of going anywhere or developing a team with a basketball anti christ like that.

Also there was no way of moving him without taking on more bad contracts. Sacramentos interest was unloading Carl Landry and Jason Thompsons bad contracts on us. SVG did good with how he handled it.

[sfballa13]

Yes, SVG was a genius to get Smith off the team without taking back any poor contracts or giving up any picks.

And I imagine that's the plan with Reggie - we won't want a bad contract and we won't want to give up a pick

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Bad contract? we would be paying 6-7M more than we are right now for another player who could contribute to the roster

Josh Smith (5M) + new player (6-7M) = what Josh Smith was originally owed

Id rather have another player then losing 5M of cap space each year for a ghost

And at that time Vivek was obsessed with Smith imagine what they would have traded back for him

But it's ok instead of signing someone like Boban with that 5M we are paying a ghost 5M, thanks SVG

Contribute? I feel like people already forget just what a shot chucking cancer he was. I would have paid a ghost 15 mil in cap space not to see him again. You have zero chance of going anywhere or developing a team with a basketball anti christ like that.

Also there was no way of moving him without taking on more bad contracts. Sacramentos interest was unloading Carl Landry and Jason Thompsons bad contracts on us. SVG did good with how he handled it.

Once again people are missing the point. We are paying 5M to Josh Smith to give our team NOTHING for multiple years

And those who claim Landry and Thompson were the players coming back, guess it must feel good to eat whatever BS SVG is feeding you

Vivek desperately wanted Josh, almost as desperately as he wanted Buddy Hield

Hmm who did they trade for Buddy Hield? Oh that's right their franchise center.

Whether a 2 or 3 team deal, we could have and should have gotten something back for Smith.

Or we could always pay Smith 5M a year for 7 years from 2014 to 2020.

Must feel pretty good to throw away money AND cap space huh Gores?

[MotownMadness]

Bad contract? we would be paying 6-7M more than we are right now for another player who could contribute to the roster

Josh Smith (5M) + new player (6-7M) = what Josh Smith was originally owed

Id rather have another player then losing 5M of cap space each year for a ghost

And at that time Vivek was obsessed with Smith imagine what they would have traded back for him

But it's ok instead of signing someone like Boban with that 5M we are paying a ghost 5M, thanks SVG

Contribute? I feel like people already forget just what a shot chucking cancer he was. I would have paid a ghost 15 mil in cap space not to see him again. You have zero chance of going anywhere or developing a team with a basketball anti christ like that.

Also there was no way of moving him without taking on more bad contracts. Sacramentos interest was unloading Carl Landry and Jason Thompsons bad contracts on us. SVG did good with how he handled it.

Once again people are missing the point. We are paying 5M to Josh Smith to give our team NOTHING for multiple years

And those who claim Landry and Thompson were the players coming back, guess it must feel good to eat whatever BS SVG is feeding you

Vivek desperately wanted Josh, almost as desperately as he wanted Buddy Hield

Hmm who did they trade for Buddy Hield? Oh that's right their franchise center.

Whether a 2 or 3 team deal, we could have and should have gotten something back for Smith.

Or we could always pay Smith 5M a year for 7 years from 2014 to 2020.

Must feel pretty good to throw away money AND cap space huh Gores?

You don't get it, paying Josh Smith to not destroy your team is better then watching him shoot the ball like Kobe with a mid 40s TS%. And show me we're Sacramento was willing to give up value for Smith? I mean you honestly think SVG is that friggin stupid.

Nobody wanted Josh Smith as he is literally the most inefficient chucking numb skull the NBA has ever seen. Teams don't even want him for the minimum now and he's found his way where he belongs overseas where he's still chucking away last time I checked. You literally cannot control the idiot.

[Pharaoh]

Bad contract? we would be paying 6-7M more than we are right now for another player who could contribute to the roster

Josh Smith (5M) + new player (6-7M) = what Josh Smith was originally owed

Id rather have another player then losing 5M of cap space each year for a ghost

And at that time Vivek was obsessed with Smith imagine what they would have traded back for him

But it's ok instead of signing someone like Boban with that 5M we are paying a ghost 5M, thanks SVG

Contribute? I feel like people already forget just what a shot chucking cancer he was. I would have paid a ghost 15 mil in cap space not to see him again. You have zero chance of going anywhere or developing a team with a basketball anti christ like that.

Also there was no way of moving him without taking on more bad contracts. Sacramentos interest was unloading Carl Landry and Jason Thompsons bad contracts on us. SVG did good with how he handled it.

Once again people are missing the point. We are paying 5M to Josh Smith to give our team NOTHING for multiple years

And those who claim Landry and Thompson were the players coming back, guess it must feel good to eat whatever BS SVG is feeding you

Vivek desperately wanted Josh, almost as desperately as he wanted Buddy Hield

Hmm who did they trade for Buddy Hield? Oh that's right their franchise center.

Whether a 2 or 3 team deal, we could have and should have gotten something back for Smith.

Or we could always pay Smith 5M a year for 7 years from 2014 to 2020.

Must feel pretty good to throw away money AND cap space huh Gores?

It was widely reported at the time that those 2 guys were the players coming back.

Since you're the one trashing SVG for the Josh Smith stretch it's on you to prove other players were coming back.

Of all the things you could actually argue Smith is your topic of choice?

WTF!

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