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Post#101 » by agiaco » Thu May 4, 2017 3:39 am

Ericb5 wrote:
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HotelVitale wrote:I wouldn't expect too much either based on his videos, but the hope would be that he would be an efficient shooter/scorer, which Stauskas has never actually been. This year is Stauskas' first year getting around league average from 3, and basically everyone expected him to be shooting 40%+ right from the jump. Nik also shot 26% from 15ft to the 3pt line, just hasn't been the deadeye guy most thought he'd be. If Korkmaz can hit open spot-ups, drill 3 as the defense closes out, and drive effectively when they overplay, that's a player we could make good use of.


Nik seems like a guy that's taken a bit of time to adjust to each level of ball he's played. I remember watching an interview with him, but he seems confident in improving a little each year, and he certainly has. Once we have a superior squad on the floor with him this coming year I have to imagine he will be shooting even more efficiently. That's why some people that are all-aboard JJ Redick in the clippers thread is a bit odd to me. I feel like Nik is exactly that and a much younger piece we can still build with. I'd rather get a different vet with some defensive skills on ball at the guard position.


Unfortunately, I think Stauskas has a fatal flaw in that he has emotional problems.

He has improved over the last two years, but conversely I think he has also shown that he really DOES have emotional problems that aren't likely to go away.

By the time he fixes his confidence and nervous problems he is likely to be too old to play basketball.

Therefore he has a tenuous grasp on an nba career.


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I agree with you guys after reading my post. I shouldn't have said exactly Redick, that wasn't intended. He certainly isn't right now. He has the potential to be similar and a lot will have to align. I'd like to see Nik for a year with a good NBA team. Redick's production increased once he started playing with a number of other stars in the same lineup.

I like Nik too much as a person maybe. Just seems like a very likable and genuine guy. So for that my take on his projection is unrealistically and unfairly high.
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Post#102 » by Kobblehead » Thu May 4, 2017 11:57 am

With Timo and Korkmaz, the probability of re-signing Nik Stauskas is very slim. Especially if we add one of the EXCELLENT upperclassmen 2-guards in this upcoming draft with one of our 2nd round picks.

He's been a below replacement level player for the first three years of his career. Cut your loss. He's a basic talent not worth continual looks, going forward. We need to have good basketball players in our rotation. Not bad basketball players with hypothetically appealing skillsets.
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Post#103 » by Kolkmania » Thu May 4, 2017 12:33 pm

Kobblehead wrote:With Timo and Korkmaz, the probability of re-signing Nik Stauskas is very slim. Especially if we add one of the EXCELLENT upperclassmen 2-guards in this upcoming draft with one of our 2nd round picks.

He's been a below replacement level player for the first three years of his career. Cut your loss. He's a basic talent not worth continual looks, going forward. We need to have good basketball players in our rotation. Not bad basketball players with hypothetically appealing skillsets.


That's one possibility, the other one is buy-low with Stauskas since this is the time that he's not valued highly in the league. If we can extend him while underpaying him, I'd do it. He showed some secondary playmaking skills, provides some roster continuity and it seems like he's finally adjusting to the three point line (perhaps a mental thing, but who knows).

I like Korkmaz and I agree that he's a similar prospect. That said, he's also a few years behind Stauskas from development perspective. He showed some flashes as a P&R ball handler, but not nearly consistent enough and defensively he's way too weak to compete in the NBA, let alone his defensive techniques.
I'd prefer to let him develop in Europe one or two additional years and let him come over when he's more of a man like Saric. That way you make the most of his rookie contract and we don't need him right away.

There's an argument to bring him over this summer, but the only viable one to me is that the Sixers believe he'll benefit more from a NBA training scheme, than playing in Turkey.
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Post#104 » by Sixerscan » Thu May 4, 2017 12:59 pm

I think it's way too early to be thinking extension with Stauskas. Right now he's the 3rd best wing prospect on the team behind Cov and TLC. I would be pretty shocked if he wasn't 4th best wing after draft/free agency, probably 5th. I just think it's a mistake to lock in someone long term above the minimum that is that low on the totem pole. It's a spot for a development player like Korkmaz, or some proven veteran on an expiring contract that we pick up midseason for a 2nd round pick.

The best move is probably to just let him prove over the next 12 months that he's something more than that. Still would have the option to offer him a QO and make him an RFA.

Otherwise, ideally Korkmaz plays in a real European league next year, then comes over replacing Nik just as his contract expires.
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Post#105 » by Unbreakable99 » Thu May 4, 2017 2:13 pm

What is the likelihood Korkmaz even averages 5 minutes per game? If he comes over he would be behind one or even 2 first round picks this year if they are both guards. He would be behind TLC. If we draft a guard in the 2nd round who is a senior like Hart he could be behind him. And that's not even including our starters. Korkmaz would get about 80 DNP - Coach's Decsion. I think it's just best for him to keep developing overseas instead of just riding the bench getting no run.
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Post#106 » by rzzzzz » Thu May 4, 2017 3:18 pm

trouble is Korkmaz is only 19(?) and the Euro teams have this thing about playing their long time vets and keeping the young guys on the bench. (kind of the opposite the typical NBA one and done draft.) if you think Furkan has potential to be a top notch shooter, you bring him over and develop him. if you don't, then let him wallow in Turkey.
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Post#107 » by Ericb5 » Fri May 5, 2017 12:25 am

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Nik seems like a guy that's taken a bit of time to adjust to each level of ball he's played. I remember watching an interview with him, but he seems confident in improving a little each year, and he certainly has. Once we have a superior squad on the floor with him this coming year I have to imagine he will be shooting even more efficiently. That's why some people that are all-aboard JJ Redick in the clippers thread is a bit odd to me. I feel like Nik is exactly that and a much younger piece we can still build with. I'd rather get a different vet with some defensive skills on ball at the guard position.


Unfortunately, I think Stauskas has a fatal flaw in that he has emotional problems.

He has improved over the last two years, but conversely I think he has also shown that he really DOES have emotional problems that aren't likely to go away.

By the time he fixes his confidence and nervous problems he is likely to be too old to play basketball.

Therefore he has a tenuous grasp on an nba career.


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I agree with you guys after reading my post. I shouldn't have said exactly Redick, that wasn't intended. He certainly isn't right now. He has the potential to be similar and a lot will have to align. I'd like to see Nik for a year with a good NBA team. Redick's production increased once he started playing with a number of other stars in the same lineup.

I like Nik too much as a person maybe. Just seems like a very likable and genuine guy. So for that my take on his projection is unrealistically and unfairly high.


I think Nik had a great chance over the last two years to show that he can succeed, and he largely hasn't. There are just better options out there.

He has a lot of talent, but he isn't worth waiting for. I'd rather give TLC all of his minutes for now to give him an extended tryout.


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Re: Welcome Furkan Korkmaz 

Post#108 » by Sixerscan » Fri May 5, 2017 12:32 am

agiaco wrote:
Ericb5 wrote:
agiaco wrote:
Nik seems like a guy that's taken a bit of time to adjust to each level of ball he's played. I remember watching an interview with him, but he seems confident in improving a little each year, and he certainly has. Once we have a superior squad on the floor with him this coming year I have to imagine he will be shooting even more efficiently. That's why some people that are all-aboard JJ Redick in the clippers thread is a bit odd to me. I feel like Nik is exactly that and a much younger piece we can still build with. I'd rather get a different vet with some defensive skills on ball at the guard position.


Unfortunately, I think Stauskas has a fatal flaw in that he has emotional problems.

He has improved over the last two years, but conversely I think he has also shown that he really DOES have emotional problems that aren't likely to go away.

By the time he fixes his confidence and nervous problems he is likely to be too old to play basketball.

Therefore he has a tenuous grasp on an nba career.


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I agree with you guys after reading my post. I shouldn't have said exactly Redick, that wasn't intended. He certainly isn't right now. He has the potential to be similar and a lot will have to align. I'd like to see Nik for a year with a good NBA team. Redick's production increased once he started playing with a number of other stars in the same lineup.

I like Nik too much as a person maybe. Just seems like a very likable and genuine guy. So for that my take on his projection is unrealistically and unfairly high.


He does seem like a good guy. I look forward to seeing him and TJ breaking down the game on postgame live 15 years from now.
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Re: Welcome Furkan Korkmaz 

Post#109 » by HotelVitale » Fri May 5, 2017 10:08 pm

rzzzzz wrote:trouble is Korkmaz is only 19(?) and the Euro teams have this thing about playing their long time vets and keeping the young guys on the bench. (kind of the opposite the typical NBA one and done draft.) if you think Furkan has potential to be a top notch shooter, you bring him over and develop him. if you don't, then let him wallow in Turkey.

Korkmaz didn't play for one of the euroleague blue bloods this year and he actually got quite a bit of PT this year. Almost 25mpg, more than he'd get here by far and they were good meaningful minutes on a competitive team, got a lot of good experience playing deep into the champs league tournament. He's definitely not 'wallowing' there.
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Post#110 » by rzzzzz » Sat May 6, 2017 3:59 am

HotelVitale wrote: He's definitely not 'wallowing' there.


Have you read about what's going on in Turkey lately?
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Post#111 » by Kobblehead » Sat May 6, 2017 1:42 pm

He needs to take a pic of him on a scale reading 210 before I'd even think about bringing him over.
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Post#112 » by HotelVitale » Sat May 6, 2017 11:44 pm

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HotelVitale wrote: He's definitely not 'wallowing' there.
Have you read about what's going on in Turkey lately?
Not sure if you're joking but dude was talking about him not getting playing time. Also Korkmaz is Turkish so I doubt he's trying to flee what is an unfortunate but not warlike situation in his home country.

Kobblehead wrote:He needs to take a pic of him on a scale reading 210 before I'd even think about bringing him over.

We don't have a choice if he wants to come, can't deny the standard offer since he was a 1st rounder (unless we want to lose his rights). First two years if guaranteed as soon as anyone gets drafted in the 1st rd.
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Post#113 » by spikeslovechild » Sun May 7, 2017 1:36 pm

HotelVitale wrote:
rzzzzz wrote:
HotelVitale wrote: He's definitely not 'wallowing' there.
Have you read about what's going on in Turkey lately?
Not sure if you're joking but dude was talking about him not getting playing time. Also Korkmaz is Turkish so I doubt he's trying to flee what is an unfortunate but not warlike situation in his home country.

Kobblehead wrote:He needs to take a pic of him on a scale reading 210 before I'd even think about bringing him over.

We don't have a choice if he wants to come, can't deny the standard offer since he was a 1st rounder (unless we want to lose his rights). First two years if guaranteed as soon as anyone gets drafted in the 1st rd.


Sure we do. He probably gets paid more over there anyways (his rookie deal would be somewhere in the neighborhood of 1.3 million his first year). Tell him to stay one more year. We have no playing time for you.

Why would he come over?
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Post#114 » by rzzzzz » Sun May 7, 2017 2:45 pm

spikeslovechild wrote:Why would he come over?


how many people in the know lectured us that there was no way Dario was coming over? and Furkan keeps saying how much he wants to play right away in the NBA, no matter how much it costs him up front.
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Post#115 » by Negrodamus » Sun May 7, 2017 4:43 pm



48% from 3? Yikes.
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Post#116 » by ankle420breaker » Sun May 7, 2017 5:49 pm

Feeling more and more likely that he'll be on the roster next season

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Post#117 » by Ericb5 » Sun May 7, 2017 5:50 pm

I simply don't know enough about him to have an opinion on whether or not he should come over, but from his perspective, I would think that he would want to come over sooner than later.

It might be harder for him to get established on our team once we get good, and with a little Heath luck this year, we could be good quicker than most people think.

I like having him as a prospect in our back pocket though.


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Post#118 » by tk76 » Sun May 7, 2017 6:34 pm

Korkmaz just went for 28-10 today in a Turkish League match.
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Post#119 » by Foshan » Mon May 8, 2017 2:33 am

bring him over. I'd much rather invest the time in this guy getting minutes over Anderson. His shooting will be huge in providing spacing for simmons/embiid/dario to work.
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Post#120 » by Wilfried » Mon May 8, 2017 6:57 am

Foshan wrote:bring him over. I'd much rather invest the time in this guy getting minutes over Anderson. His shooting will be huge in providing spacing for simmons/embiid/dario to work.


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