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Post#741 » by MyUniBroDavis » Sun May 7, 2017 8:28 pm

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KAJ, Russell, Shaq, Wilt, Duncan, Moses, Mikan, Gilmore, Sabonis(nba and overseas),Walton

I'd have Hakeem, Robinson next.


Imo Walton has no arguement over Hakeem all Time. Like at all (i mean imo that applies for. A bunch of them but just the games played)

1238 career games vs 468 games


i get longevity, but walton was like 4 times the player.



It's not just that though (even though I completely disagree). Walton didn't even play 40+ games for 4/10 of his seasons. Less than 60 in another 3/10 and less than 70 in 2/10

Not only that but the two times he played the most he was playing less than 35 minutes a game.

Not to mention he only was in the playoffs 4 times. Twice in his prime, the second time he got injured in the 2nd game of the first round. Honestly I can't see any arguement for Walton at all. He literally only had 3 healthy prime years, and calling them healthy is a stretch.
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Post#742 » by MyUniBroDavis » Sun May 7, 2017 8:29 pm

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KAJ, Russell, Shaq, Wilt, Duncan, Moses, Mikan, Gilmore, Sabonis(nba and overseas),Walton

I'd have Hakeem, Robinson next.


Imo Walton has no arguement over Hakeem all Time. Like at all (i mean imo that applies for. A bunch of them but just the games played)

1238 career games vs 468 games


i get longevity, but walton was like 4 times the player.



It's not just that though (even though I completely disagree). Walton didn't even play 40+ games for 4/10 of his seasons. Less than 60 in another 3/10 and less than 70 in 2/10

Not only that but the two times he played the most he was playing less than 35 minutes a game.

Not to mention he only was in the playoffs 4 times. Twice in his prime, the second time he got injured in the 2nd game of the first round. Honestly I can't see any arguement for Walton at all. He literally only had 3 healthy prime years, and calling them healthy is a stretch.
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Re: Your Unpopular Basketball Opinions? [PC Board Edition] 

Post#743 » by Reservoirdawgs » Sun May 7, 2017 8:34 pm

A few years ago I made a fairly impassioned post on why I thought that Ben Wallace should be considered a top 5 player in 2004. To say that was not well regarded would be an understatement. I still stand by that statement, though!


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Re: Your Unpopular Basketball Opinions? [PC Board Edition] 

Post#744 » by THKNKG » Sun May 7, 2017 8:40 pm

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Quotatious wrote:Personally I think it's far easier to make a convincing case for someone other than Jordan in the NBA (Kareem and Russell have an excellent case, LeBron will soon have one, too - but especially KAJ at the moment), than a convincing case for someone other than Gretzky in the NHL - Gretzky was almost like a combination of Wilt's statistical dominance with Jordan's accolades and team success.


With seeing some kareem discussion the last page or 2, I really don’t think it’s an unpopular opinion to think he has a case for GOAT. I personally think he’s the only other one than jordan who has a real case. He has the whole package: peak, longevity, success, accolades, etc. I guess the only knocks on him might be questioning the strength of the 70s, and winning some of his championships as a secondary star. That said, it’s still pretty hard to argue with his overall resume.

I’m aware of the russell supporters, but think he falls short overall. Will probably end up somewhere in my top 5 when we do the next top 100 project. LeBron obviously keeps moving further up the list as his absurd durability and longevity continue. Just don’t think he’s quite there yet.


I'm one of the guys voting for Nader (Russell). :D

But personally I believe there are 5 players who are worthy of consideration for GOAT:

Russell
Jordan
Kareem
Timmy
Lebron


And yes I realize that (at least to the best of my knowledge) I was the first--and only-- person here to suggest Duncan as a legit GOAT candidate, but when I posted an OP asking the question, it wasn't totally laughed off.


I'm with you on Timmy being a potential GOAT candidate. He's certainly the player I would pick first if building a new team from scratch, and it's not close. Currently, those are the 5 I think have some consideration for GOAT as well. There are a few borderline candidates (Shaq, Wilt, Magic) and some really, really solid guys (KG, Hakeem, DRob, etc.) who don't have much of an argument for GOAT (though I could see a plausible argument being made).
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WTF? 10+ Legitimate GOAT Candidates? YES!! 

Post#745 » by Pablo Novi » Sun May 7, 2017 8:40 pm

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Blackmill wrote:My unpopular opinion: There's over 10 legitimate GOAT candidates.


I like to ask whenever I see a GOAT conversation pop up. Jordan among the general population is still considered GOAT. I really don't follow hockey, so how does Gretzky compare to Jordan in that regard? Even higher consensus, about the same, lower?

WTF? 10+ Legitimate GOAT Candidates? YES!!
"Clyde Frazier" says, "There's over 10 legitimate GOAT candidates."

NOW THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!

Besides me, myself and I; this is THE FIRST TIME I've ever seen anybody have the "cajones" and "smarts" to propose something like this! I salute you.

On MY GOAT TOP 10 LIST (in the following order, for me):
KAJ, Magic, MJ, LBJ, TD;
Wilt, Dr J, Kobe, "O", K. Malone
I "can live" with virtually any version of this list!

Further, my GOAT #s 11-15:
Shaq, Bird, Jerry West, Stockton, Pettit (a kind of "Shaq plus the 'White Boys'" grouping)
I also "can live" with these guys having legit arguments for at least the GOAT Top 5; and, in Shaq's case, a very strong case for GOAT #1 (if only the dude had come into camp in shape EACH year; and IF he had stayed with Kobe - imo, they would have won 6-8 Chips together, with Shaq getting the first 3-4 fMVPS, and Kobe the remaining ones. Leaving the over-all GOAT debate between ONLY the two of them. What FOOLS they both were!!)
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Re: Bill Walton GOAT-Worthy? NO! Could Have Been? YES! 

Post#746 » by Prokorov » Sun May 7, 2017 8:42 pm

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Prokorov wrote:
MyUniBroDavis wrote:
Imo Walton has no arguement over Hakeem all Time. Like at all (i mean imo that applies for. A bunch of them but just the games played)

1238 career games vs 468 games


i get longevity, but walton was like 4 times the player.

Was Bill Walton GOAT-Worthy? NO! Could He Have Been? YES!
I LOVED the Mountain Man at UCLA (consider him GOAT #2 College Player only behind "Lew Alcindor"); and LOVED what he did at Portland - led perhaps the Greatest Finals UNDERDOG ever from a 0-2 deficit to run 4 games in a row over PERHAPS THE greatest Finals team ever.

I even met Walton once in Balboa Park (San Diego) - he was on his bike (dwarfing it); I was on one of my daily 2.5 hour hilly runs - we almost crashed into each other.

Still, he ONLY had, what?, 2.5 Great Years? You can't be a GOAT candidate with less than TEN Great Years; much less less-than-THREE! (I "give" Walton 1.5 Great Years at Portland; and 1 Great Year (as a SUBSTITUTE who was actually better than Parish) at Boston - but that's all I can "give" him.)

Could Walton have been the GOAT? ABSOLUTELY. If only he didn't have such terrible "wheels" - the guy's feet were so injury prone - he basically never got the chance to show all that skill and all those smarts.

(Ever hear Bill Walton being interviewed about HIS opinion about GOAT players? It'll blow you away. He has NOTHING but good things to say about all of them - and he KNOWS exactly what made each one GOAT-consideration worthy. He had (I imagine he still does - although I haven't much run into his public persona much in the last bunch of years) - a HUMILITY and kind-hearted maturity about him - and he KNEW his sport. )

Where do I rank Bill Walton on MY GOAT List? I give him an "Honorary Mention" type GOAT #49 ranking - his PEAK was that GREAT. (I give George Mikan a similar "Honorary Mention"-type GOAT #50 ranking - for HIS (super-weak) era - he was THE MOST DOMINANT PLAYER EVER.


im not saying walton is the goat. but i take him over dream every time.
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Re: Bill Walton GOAT-Worthy? NO! Could Have Been? YES! 

Post#747 » by MyUniBroDavis » Sun May 7, 2017 8:51 pm

Prokorov wrote:
Pablo Novi wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
i get longevity, but walton was like 4 times the player.

Was Bill Walton GOAT-Worthy? NO! Could He Have Been? YES!
I LOVED the Mountain Man at UCLA (consider him GOAT #2 College Player only behind "Lew Alcindor"); and LOVED what he did at Portland - led perhaps the Greatest Finals UNDERDOG ever from a 0-2 deficit to run 4 games in a row over PERHAPS THE greatest Finals team ever.

I even met Walton once in Balboa Park (San Diego) - he was on his bike (dwarfing it); I was on one of my daily 2.5 hour hilly runs - we almost crashed into each other.

Still, he ONLY had, what?, 2.5 Great Years? You can't be a GOAT candidate with less than TEN Great Years; much less less-than-THREE! (I "give" Walton 1.5 Great Years at Portland; and 1 Great Year (as a SUBSTITUTE who was actually better than Parish) at Boston - but that's all I can "give" him.)

Could Walton have been the GOAT? ABSOLUTELY. If only he didn't have such terrible "wheels" - the guy's feet were so injury prone - he basically never got the chance to show all that skill and all those smarts.

(Ever hear Bill Walton being interviewed about HIS opinion about GOAT players? It'll blow you away. He has NOTHING but good things to say about all of them - and he KNOWS exactly what made each one GOAT-consideration worthy. He had (I imagine he still does - although I haven't much run into his public persona much in the last bunch of years) - a HUMILITY and kind-hearted maturity about him - and he KNEW his sport. )

Where do I rank Bill Walton on MY GOAT List? I give him an "Honorary Mention" type GOAT #49 ranking - his PEAK was that GREAT. (I give George Mikan a similar "Honorary Mention"-type GOAT #50 ranking - for HIS (super-weak) era - he was THE MOST DOMINANT PLAYER EVER.


im not saying walton is the goat. but i take him over dream every time.


It's not that, but if we go all time by who would you draft, picking Walton of Hakeem would be like using a Lamborghini without gas to race a ferrari with gas.

Also, why are you so low on hakeem's peak?
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Re: Bill Walton GOAT-Worthy? NO! Could Have Been? YES! 

Post#748 » by Prokorov » Sun May 7, 2017 8:54 pm

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Pablo Novi wrote:Was Bill Walton GOAT-Worthy? NO! Could He Have Been? YES!
I LOVED the Mountain Man at UCLA (consider him GOAT #2 College Player only behind "Lew Alcindor"); and LOVED what he did at Portland - led perhaps the Greatest Finals UNDERDOG ever from a 0-2 deficit to run 4 games in a row over PERHAPS THE greatest Finals team ever.

I even met Walton once in Balboa Park (San Diego) - he was on his bike (dwarfing it); I was on one of my daily 2.5 hour hilly runs - we almost crashed into each other.

Still, he ONLY had, what?, 2.5 Great Years? You can't be a GOAT candidate with less than TEN Great Years; much less less-than-THREE! (I "give" Walton 1.5 Great Years at Portland; and 1 Great Year (as a SUBSTITUTE who was actually better than Parish) at Boston - but that's all I can "give" him.)

Could Walton have been the GOAT? ABSOLUTELY. If only he didn't have such terrible "wheels" - the guy's feet were so injury prone - he basically never got the chance to show all that skill and all those smarts.

(Ever hear Bill Walton being interviewed about HIS opinion about GOAT players? It'll blow you away. He has NOTHING but good things to say about all of them - and he KNOWS exactly what made each one GOAT-consideration worthy. He had (I imagine he still does - although I haven't much run into his public persona much in the last bunch of years) - a HUMILITY and kind-hearted maturity about him - and he KNEW his sport. )

Where do I rank Bill Walton on MY GOAT List? I give him an "Honorary Mention" type GOAT #49 ranking - his PEAK was that GREAT. (I give George Mikan a similar "Honorary Mention"-type GOAT #50 ranking - for HIS (super-weak) era - he was THE MOST DOMINANT PLAYER EVER.


im not saying walton is the goat. but i take him over dream every time.


It's not that, but if we go all time by who would you draft, picking Walton of Hakeem would be like using a Lamborghini without gas to race a ferrari with gas.

Also, why are you so low on hakeem's peak?


i always thought he was an empty stats player who was carried by GOAT role guys/clutch players. thought he got away with a ton from the regs because of reputation on D.
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Post#749 » by Pablo Novi » Sun May 7, 2017 9:05 pm

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Pablo Novi wrote:6. LOVE-MAKING LIST: I have a list of all 20,500+ times my baby and I have made love over the last 30.5 years.





That figure seems really high over that time span. That's almost 2x a day! Every day. For 30 years!

I'm starting to wonder if you are that guy from the beer ads: the most interesting man in the world.

I know of no way to convince anybody (other than my wife) that the figure of 20,500 times is the truth.

Let me put it this way.
When we first met, I had been running heavy daily long-distance mileage for 8 years (including one year of 10,000 miles (28.5 miles a day, 7 days a week, for 50 weeks with two weeks off during the year). I was a super-athlete in PRIME shape.

And she? She was this knock-out beauty who (seemingly) was just waiting for me.

I proposed to her that we have a "NO VETO" power over sex policy - and, BLEEPING SURPRISE, she calmly said, "Sounds good to me."

We did it "exactly" 2 times a day for our first 26 years. (I DID keep track every day - but that was pretty easy seeing as it was almost always every morning and every evening). If you multiply 26 (years) X 365.25 (days/year) X 2; you get: 18,993. As we approached our 26th Anniversary, we did it 3 times a day the last week and "nailed" (in more ways than one) 19,000.

During those 26 years, we had one month of zero times (she was back in Mexico for an operation; I stayed with the kids). We had one month of 123 times. We had one year of 930 times. After that, we "slowed" to just under 1.5 times a day; and on our 27th Anniversary, we "nailed" 19,500. We've continued to "slow", year by year - and have settled into a one+ -a-day average putting us clearly past 20,500.

Perhaps this other example might help people with the "feasibility" question.
5 years ago, for my 62nd birthday, as a birthday-present to myself; I went up to 10,000 feet in the Mountains and ran 2 hours straight up hill (to circa 12,000 feet). I than ran from mountain peak to mountain peak for the next 3 hours; and then back down the other side of that mountain range. 7 hours in all; I give myself credit for 62 kilometers (on my 62nd birthday). Not fast at all. But I ran 4 hours the day before it; and 4 hours the day afterwards - without any great difficulty.

Having DECADES of ultra-conditioning can allow a man almost "unlimited" stamina; including in bed.

Which takes us back to her part in things. She is so gorgeous that every guy who sees her (including when we're side by side) hits on her (including right in front of me). She IS worth it. (Naturally she politely tells them "No"; but doesn't make them feel rejected, much less feel humiliated. She IS that kind-hearted; that appreciative of how tough it is for single guys.)

Imagine a woman who NEVER ONCE says "No" to her guy and ALWAYS wants more; in fact, every single morning she says to me, "Are you gonna give me my milk?" How can I answer that????

We also do EVERYTHING they do in porn except: with other people or anything particularly painful. So it has never come close to being boring - quite the contrary - it has always been unbelievably delicious (for both of us).

And, as a result, she got "serviced" twice a day for more than a quarter century. What kind of shape would that put her in? She's remained beautiful if not more so. It also makes her smell like WILD HONEY.

I get near her; and I can't think straight - I "HAVE TO" go to work!

P.S. On my 56th birthday, I have no idea why; we did it at these "o'clocks":
12:30 am,
2:30 am
4:30 am
6:40 am
8 am
8:30 am
10:30 am
12 noon (8 times in 12 hours!)

Then, because it WAS my birthday; and I'm an IDIOT; instead of ensuring we hit "double figures"; we went out to celebrate with family and friends. Late that night we hit #9 (in a little under 24 hours); but I've/we've never come close to that ever again.
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Post#750 » by PaulieWal » Sun May 7, 2017 9:13 pm

Pablo Novi wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:
Pablo Novi wrote:6. LOVE-MAKING LIST: I have a list of all 20,500+ times my baby and I have made love over the last 30.5 years.





That figure seems really high over that time span. That's almost 2x a day! Every day. For 30 years!

I'm starting to wonder if you are that guy from the beer ads: the most interesting man in the world.

I know of no way to convince anybody (other than my wife) that the figure of 20,500 times is the truth.

Let me put it this way.
When we first met, I had been running heavy daily long-distance mileage for 8 years (including one year of 10,000 miles (28.5 miles a day, 7 days a week, for 50 weeks with two weeks off during the year). I was a super-athlete in PRIME shape.

And she? She was this knock-out beauty who (seemingly) was just waiting for me.

I proposed to her that we have a "NO VETO" power over sex policy - and, BLEEPING SURPRISE, she calmly said, "Sounds good to me."

We did it "exactly" 2 times a day for our first 26 years. (I DID keep track every day - but that was pretty easy seeing as it was almost always every morning and every evening). If you multiply 26 (years) X 365.25 (days/year) X 2; you get: 18,993. As we approached our 26th Anniversary, we did it 3 times a day the last week and "nailed" (in more ways than one) 19,000.

During those 26 years, we had one month of zero times (she was back in Mexico for an operation; I stayed with the kids). We had one month of 123 times. We had one year of 930 times. After that, we "slowed" to just under 1.5 times a day; and on our 27th Anniversary, we "nailed" 19,500. We've continued to "slow", year by year - and have settled into a one+ -a-day average putting us clearly past 20,500.

Perhaps this other example might help people with the "feasibility" question.
5 years ago, for my 62nd birthday, as a birthday-present to myself; I went up to 10,000 feet in the Mountains and ran 2 hours straight up hill (to circa 12,000 feet). I than ran from mountain peak to mountain peak for the next 3 hours; and then back down the other side of that mountain range. 7 hours in all; I give myself credit for 62 kilometers (on my 62nd birthday). Not fast at all. But I ran 4 hours the day before it; and 4 hours the day afterwards - without any great difficulty.

Having DECADES of ultra-conditioning can allow a man almost "unlimited" stamina; including in bed.

Which takes us back to her part in things. She is so gorgeous that every guy who sees her (including when we're side by side) hits on her (including right in front of me). She IS worth it. (Naturally she politely tells them "No"; but doesn't make them feel rejected, much less feel humiliated. She IS that kind-hearted; that appreciative of how tough it is for single guys.)

Imagine a woman who NEVER ONCE says "No" to her guy and ALWAYS wants more; in fact, every single morning she says to me, "Are you gonna give me my milk?" How can I answer that????

We also do EVERYTHING they do in porn except: with other people or anything particularly painful. So it has never come close to being boring - quite the contrary - it has always been unbelievably delicious (for both of us).

And, as a result, she got "serviced" twice a day for more than a quarter century. What kind of shape would that put her in? She's remained beautiful if not more so. It also makes her smell like WILD HONEY.

I get near her; and I can't think straight - I "HAVE TO" go to work!

P.S. On my 56th birthday, I have no idea why; we did it at these "o'clocks":
12:30 am,
2:30 am
4:30 am
6:40 am
8 am
8:30 am
10:30 am
12 noon (8 times in 12 hours!)

Then, because it WAS my birthday; and I'm an IDIOT; instead of ensuring we hit "double figures"; we went out to celebrate with family and friends. Late that night we hit #9 (in a little under 24 hours); but I've/we've never come close to that ever again.


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Re: Bill Walton GOAT-Worthy? NO! Could Have Been? YES! 

Post#751 » by Pablo Novi » Sun May 7, 2017 9:16 pm

Prokorov wrote:
Pablo Novi wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
i get longevity, but walton was like 4 times the player.

Was Bill Walton GOAT-Worthy? NO! Could He Have Been? YES!
I LOVED the Mountain Man at UCLA (consider him GOAT #2 College Player only behind "Lew Alcindor"); and LOVED what he did at Portland - led perhaps the Greatest Finals UNDERDOG ever from a 0-2 deficit to run 4 games in a row over PERHAPS THE greatest Finals team ever.

I even met Walton once in Balboa Park (San Diego) - he was on his bike (dwarfing it); I was on one of my daily 2.5 hour hilly runs - we almost crashed into each other.

Still, he ONLY had, what?, 2.5 Great Years? You can't be a GOAT candidate with less than TEN Great Years; much less less-than-THREE! (I "give" Walton 1.5 Great Years at Portland; and 1 Great Year (as a SUBSTITUTE who was actually better than Parish) at Boston - but that's all I can "give" him.)

Could Walton have been the GOAT? ABSOLUTELY. If only he didn't have such terrible "wheels" - the guy's feet were so injury prone - he basically never got the chance to show all that skill and all those smarts.

(Ever hear Bill Walton being interviewed about HIS opinion about GOAT players? It'll blow you away. He has NOTHING but good things to say about all of them - and he KNOWS exactly what made each one GOAT-consideration worthy. He had (I imagine he still does - although I haven't much run into his public persona much in the last bunch of years) - a HUMILITY and kind-hearted maturity about him - and he KNEW his sport. )

Where do I rank Bill Walton on MY GOAT List? I give him an "Honorary Mention" type GOAT #49 ranking - his PEAK was that GREAT. (I give George Mikan a similar "Honorary Mention"-type GOAT #50 ranking - for HIS (super-weak) era - he was THE MOST DOMINANT PLAYER EVER.


im not saying walton is the goat. but i take him over dream every time.

I have a suggestion for you.

If you would only specifically refer to PEAKs; then I'd have no problem whatsoever, with you (or anybody) taking PEAK Bill Walton over PEAK Hakeem (or PEAK anybody else for that matter).

I recently heard a sports-show discussion where one of the experts insisted Walton was actually some 7'2"+ (and thick as can be). With that size (or even what we have been led to believe, circa 6'11") and that strength; those smarts; that all-around game - there was nothing he couldn't do.

I "hate" Bill Simmons; but my All-Time Favorite Quote About An Athlete comes from him:
"Of all the Great OFFENSIVE Centers, Walton was the best DEFENSIVE Center. Of all the Great DEFENSIVE Centers, Walton was the best OFFENSIVE Center."

I "can live" with that.
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Re: Bill Walton GOAT-Worthy? NO! Could Have Been? YES! 

Post#752 » by Prokorov » Sun May 7, 2017 9:19 pm

Pablo Novi wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
Pablo Novi wrote:Was Bill Walton GOAT-Worthy? NO! Could He Have Been? YES!
I LOVED the Mountain Man at UCLA (consider him GOAT #2 College Player only behind "Lew Alcindor"); and LOVED what he did at Portland - led perhaps the Greatest Finals UNDERDOG ever from a 0-2 deficit to run 4 games in a row over PERHAPS THE greatest Finals team ever.

I even met Walton once in Balboa Park (San Diego) - he was on his bike (dwarfing it); I was on one of my daily 2.5 hour hilly runs - we almost crashed into each other.

Still, he ONLY had, what?, 2.5 Great Years? You can't be a GOAT candidate with less than TEN Great Years; much less less-than-THREE! (I "give" Walton 1.5 Great Years at Portland; and 1 Great Year (as a SUBSTITUTE who was actually better than Parish) at Boston - but that's all I can "give" him.)

Could Walton have been the GOAT? ABSOLUTELY. If only he didn't have such terrible "wheels" - the guy's feet were so injury prone - he basically never got the chance to show all that skill and all those smarts.

(Ever hear Bill Walton being interviewed about HIS opinion about GOAT players? It'll blow you away. He has NOTHING but good things to say about all of them - and he KNOWS exactly what made each one GOAT-consideration worthy. He had (I imagine he still does - although I haven't much run into his public persona much in the last bunch of years) - a HUMILITY and kind-hearted maturity about him - and he KNEW his sport. )

Where do I rank Bill Walton on MY GOAT List? I give him an "Honorary Mention" type GOAT #49 ranking - his PEAK was that GREAT. (I give George Mikan a similar "Honorary Mention"-type GOAT #50 ranking - for HIS (super-weak) era - he was THE MOST DOMINANT PLAYER EVER.


im not saying walton is the goat. but i take him over dream every time.

I have a suggestion for you.

If you would only specifically refer to PEAKs; then I'd have no problem whatsoever, with you (or anybody) taking PEAK Bill Walton over PEAK Hakeem (or PEAK anybody else for that matter).

I recently heard a sports-show discussion where one of the experts insisted Walton was actually some 7'2"+ (and thick as can be). With that size (or even what we have been led to believe, circa 6'11") and that strength; those smarts; that all-around game - there was nothing he couldn't do.

I "hate" Bill Simmons; but my All-Time Favorite Quote About An Athlete comes from him:
"Of all the Great OFFENSIVE Centers, Walton was the best DEFENSIVE Center. Of all the Great DEFENSIVE Centers, Walton was the best OFFENSIVE Center."

I "can live" with that.


ill take waltons 4ish healthy years over dreams healthy career. i think walton was just much much better
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Re: A Very Partial List Of Pablo's (Ranking) Lists (for your listening pleasure) 

Post#753 » by Pablo Novi » Sun May 7, 2017 9:34 pm

PaulieWal wrote:
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Texas Chuck wrote:


That figure seems really high over that time span. That's almost 2x a day! Every day. For 30 years!

I'm starting to wonder if you are that guy from the beer ads: the most interesting man in the world.

I know of no way to convince anybody (other than my wife) that the figure of 20,500 times is the truth.

Let me put it this way.
When we first met, I had been running heavy daily long-distance mileage for 8 years (including one year of 10,000 miles (28.5 miles a day, 7 days a week, for 50 weeks with two weeks off during the year). I was a super-athlete in PRIME shape.

And she? She was this knock-out beauty who (seemingly) was just waiting for me.

I proposed to her that we have a "NO VETO" power over sex policy - and, BLEEPING SURPRISE, she calmly said, "Sounds good to me."

We did it "exactly" 2 times a day for our first 26 years. (I DID keep track every day - but that was pretty easy seeing as it was almost always every morning and every evening). If you multiply 26 (years) X 365.25 (days/year) X 2; you get: 18,993. As we approached our 26th Anniversary, we did it 3 times a day the last week and "nailed" (in more ways than one) 19,000.

During those 26 years, we had one month of zero times (she was back in Mexico for an operation; I stayed with the kids). We had one month of 123 times. We had one year of 930 times. After that, we "slowed" to just under 1.5 times a day; and on our 27th Anniversary, we "nailed" 19,500. We've continued to "slow", year by year - and have settled into a one+ -a-day average putting us clearly past 20,500.

Perhaps this other example might help people with the "feasibility" question.
5 years ago, for my 62nd birthday, as a birthday-present to myself; I went up to 10,000 feet in the Mountains and ran 2 hours straight up hill (to circa 12,000 feet). I than ran from mountain peak to mountain peak for the next 3 hours; and then back down the other side of that mountain range. 7 hours in all; I give myself credit for 62 kilometers (on my 62nd birthday). Not fast at all. But I ran 4 hours the day before it; and 4 hours the day afterwards - without any great difficulty.

Having DECADES of ultra-conditioning can allow a man almost "unlimited" stamina; including in bed.

Which takes us back to her part in things. She is so gorgeous that every guy who sees her (including when we're side by side) hits on her (including right in front of me). She IS worth it. (Naturally she politely tells them "No"; but doesn't make them feel rejected, much less feel humiliated. She IS that kind-hearted; that appreciative of how tough it is for single guys.)

Imagine a woman who NEVER ONCE says "No" to her guy and ALWAYS wants more; in fact, every single morning she says to me, "Are you gonna give me my milk?" How can I answer that????

We also do EVERYTHING they do in porn except: with other people or anything particularly painful. So it has never come close to being boring - quite the contrary - it has always been unbelievably delicious (for both of us).

And, as a result, she got "serviced" twice a day for more than a quarter century. What kind of shape would that put her in? She's remained beautiful if not more so. It also makes her smell like WILD HONEY.

I get near her; and I can't think straight - I "HAVE TO" go to work!

P.S. On my 56th birthday, I have no idea why; we did it at these "o'clocks":
12:30 am,
2:30 am
4:30 am
6:40 am
8 am
8:30 am
10:30 am
12 noon (8 times in 12 hours!)

Then, because it WAS my birthday; and I'm an IDIOT; instead of ensuring we hit "double figures"; we went out to celebrate with family and friends. Late that night we hit #9 (in a little under 24 hours); but I've/we've never come close to that ever again.


:o :o

This might be the greatest post in the history of RealGM and the internet and I mean it absolutely genuinely. No sarcasm on my part.

Dear PauliWal,
Please believe me when I say that I'm not an arrogant guy, in the least. Here's an example:
while my baby is astonishingly beautiful; I consider myself "blah" (neither handsome nor ugly). She disagrees; but love IS blind.

I'm completely comfortable with who I am; particularly given who I live with (we sleep in a "single" bed; hugging all night long - usually with my left hand cupped around her left breast; with a couple of my fingers squeezing her nipple. (Can I use that word here?) Talk about being in "7th Heaven". There's literally no space available between us; and if I turn around; she'll ask me (beg me?) to put my hand back on her.

Imho, EVERY woman should be like this; but I've never heard of a single one (other than her); and I've been a marriage counselor for over a half-century - so, you'd think I'd have worked with one or at least heard about one.

What I did to deserve this incredible "creature"; I can't really say - except I HAVE specialized in keeping her 100% as happy as can be. (I tell all our friends that she is the "Goddess Of Love" and I am her slave. That is an accurate description - people can tell - and it's pure win-win for both of us.

Oh, I almost forgot. I'm responding to your post because you've moved me a lot with your compliment - about my post being a GOAT post -

Sincerely,
You Humble Me

Thanx,
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Re: Your Unpopular Basketball Opinions? [PC Board Edition] 

Post#754 » by Pablo Novi » Sun May 7, 2017 10:05 pm

Quotatious wrote:
MyUniBroDavis wrote:Also congrats you've "made more love" in one day than me in 16 years lol

I love your sense of humor. Please never change, dude. :wink:

MyUniBroDavis,
Please believe me when I say that I SYMPATHIZE with your plight.
During the periods in my life when I was single - it was just barbaric how miserable I was - and I couldn't even make eye contact with women - I was just too shy.

Now, with this precious "thing" "forever" in my life, I'm comfortable talking with any woman of any age at any time - I feel no shyness and no (sexual) pressure to "score" - all of them can be: friends, aunts, nieces, whathaveyou. It's such a delight.

Another thing, whereas before, as a single guy, virtually every woman struck me as irresistibly beautiful. Now, I wonder at how I could have felt so strongly like that. True, lots of them are quite attractive; but I find that now as a nice part of nature; not as something that complete dominates my thinking and leaves me desperately needy.

Let me add my "vote" to the sentiment, "I love your sense of humor. Please never change, dude. :wink:
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Re: Your Unpopular Basketball Opinions? [PC Board Edition] 

Post#755 » by ThaRegul8r » Sun May 7, 2017 10:41 pm

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Texas Chuck wrote:I believe there are 5 players who are worthy of consideration for GOAT:

Russell
Jordan
Kareem
Timmy
Lebron


And yes I realize that (at least to the best of my knowledge) I was the first--and only-- person here to suggest Duncan as a legit GOAT candidate, but when I posted an OP asking the question, it wasn't totally laughed off.


I'm with you on Timmy being a potential GOAT candidate. He's certainly the player I would pick first if building a new team from scratch, and it's not close.


Three years ago, Jack McCallum wrote that "of all the players in NBA history, I would start a team with Duncan." That was the first time I'd seen a sportswriter go on record saying that. Then last year among all the things written about Duncan after his retirement, another writer who said he'd been watching the NBA since 1970 said he would pick Duncan to start a team with. So there have been people with a public platform who've expressed this sentiment.
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Re: Your Unpopular Basketball Opinions? [PC Board Edition] 

Post#756 » by Goudelock » Sun May 7, 2017 10:41 pm

MyUniBroDavis wrote:
Quotatious wrote:
MyUniBroDavis wrote:Also congrats you've "made more love" in one day than me in 16 years lol

I love your sense of humor. Please never change, dude. :wink:


I feel like I've posted in the off topic thread a lot just to have convos with pockycandy about our interesting lives lol.


I don't know about you, but this seemingly has turned into the OT thread hahhaha Although Pablo obviously has had a lot more success in the romance department than either one of us has so far :lol:

I like this Pablo Novi guy a lot. He brings an interesting perspective. Anyone who has actually watched Mikan is going to have some cool stories and knowledge that no one else has.
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Post#757 » by eminence » Sun May 7, 2017 10:43 pm

Laimbeer was a better defender than Rodman (not sure on level of unpopularity, but I suspect it is).
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Post#758 » by ThaRegul8r » Sun May 7, 2017 10:59 pm

Reservoirdawgs wrote:A few years ago I made a fairly impassioned post on why I thought that Ben Wallace should be considered a top 5 player in 2004. To say that was not well regarded would be an understatement. I still stand by that statement, though!


I saw blog posts at that time (maybe not that particular year, but around that time) arguing that, and at least one blogger attempted to make a case for him for MVP. There was actually talk of that around the league one year, but it was understood that it would never go to someone scoring that little. I remember one year Sports Illustrated had Wallace as their MVP at the halfway point of the season. So such discussion was taking place, but it would require a paradigm shift for it to be a serious possibility.
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Post#759 » by ThaRegul8r » Sun May 7, 2017 11:37 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:I realize that (at least to the best of my knowledge) I was the first--and only-- person here to suggest Duncan as a legit GOAT candidate, but when I posted an OP asking the question, it wasn't totally laughed off.


Actually, as Duncan was my last favorite player, and having kept track of the way he's been perceived and since I record everything at the time, I can state that two years ago it was Dr Spaceman who in a topic asking how many players had a legit case for GOAT threw Duncan's name into the discussion. And at that time, you said that Jordan, Kareem and Russell had cases, and were holding a spot for LeBron, but, quote, "I think Shaq and Duncan just didn't quite get there for me." After Duncan's retirement last year, the question was asked where Duncan ranked all-time, and Dr Spaceman said anywhere from 1-3 made sense on his list, and you said he was 4th for you but you were considering moving him to 3rd over Kareem. So your opinion has changed since then, but Dr Spaceman preceded you. When you said you could make a case for Duncan against any player ever this March, Dr Spaceman had already submitted Duncan's name as a GOAT candidate in 2015, and last year said he could be #1, and another poster asked him what Duncan's case was for #1.
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Post#760 » by GSP » Sun May 7, 2017 11:40 pm

Stephs peak offensively isnt top 10 alltime

Bird, Magic, Mj, Dirk, Nash, Chuck, Lebron, Oscar, Jerry and Shaq were all superior offensive players at peak.

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