Around the NBA: Playoff Edition #2

[kyrv]

Durant showed why he will be very important against the Lebrons. If Curry or Klay go on a drought, Durant can carry the team.

Durant is their best player. Of course he will be important.

[R3AL1TY]

Durant showed why he will be very important against the Lebrons. If Curry or Klay go on a drought, Durant can carry the team.

Durant is their best player. Of course he will be important.

Well, I'm really mentioning this because a good number of people have the view that the Warriors didn't need him or they are better without him.

[kyrv]

Basketball should have no salary cap. Make somebody pay $100m salary for Lebron if they want to.

Of course, then you'd have LAL/NYK/BRK/GSW just buy up all the best talent and not think twice.

Just have a very punitive luxury tax. That is more effective than anything - just look at this franchise for proof of that.

If Ballmer or Prokhorov want to blow $300million or something for a year, hey go ahead - most of that money's actually going to the other teams.

One cheap franchise doesn't prove the rule, in fact as I understand it here, the Bulls are the exception in caring about finances.

A punitive tax that prevents one cheap team from spending when they wouldn't anyway, doesn't resolve a league wide issue.

A few teams giving out money to other teams does not help the balance. It helps the pockets of the other teams, doesn't help the on court product.

[Leslie Forman]

Basketball should have no salary cap. Make somebody pay $100m salary for Lebron if they want to.

Of course, then you'd have LAL/NYK/BRK/GSW just buy up all the best talent and not think twice.

Just have a very punitive luxury tax. That is more effective than anything - just look at this franchise for proof of that.

If Ballmer or Prokhorov want to blow $300million or something for a year, hey go ahead - most of that money's actually going to the other teams.

One cheap franchise doesn't prove the rule, in fact as I understand it here, the Bulls are the exception in caring about finances.

A punitive tax that prevents one cheap team from spending when they wouldn't anyway, doesn't resolve a league wide issue.

A few teams giving out money to other teams does not help the balance. It helps the pockets of the other teams, doesn't help the on court product.

It isn't just the Bulls though. Look how the Knicks didn't bother keeping Lin because of it. The Clippers this summer are absolutely not going to keep everybody on that roster even though they have the richest owner.

Even rich guys don't like losing hundreds of millions of dollars every year on players. They would really just end up hurting each other, which is exactly why they implemented these rules on themselves.

If you have a luxury tax that is punitive enough to basically act as a de facto hard salary cap, that is all you really need. When paying Chris Paul, say, $60million a year actually means $120million or even more a year, no owner's going to do that.

[R3AL1TY]

wait a minute...I'm watching the Raptors against the Lebrons...Deron Williams just went down after the Raptors scored a bucket. It was a non call with PJ Tucker moving his forearms towards him while Ibaka got the basket, yet the refs get to do a replay on a non foul call to see if it is a tech or a flagrant? smh

This replay system is just holding up the game more than before.

[stilldropin20]

what?

rondo/Val/payne
CJ/Wade/grant
Engles/zip
James Johnson/niko
rolo/chris/niko

im down wit dat! 2 great shooters and 1-2 good shooters on the floor at all times. 3-4 tough nosed defenders on the court as well with those shooters(some of them the same guy).

team ball!! ball movement. these guys will play for each other and make each other better. James and CJ and even wade and rondo can all get shots and play make. that team wins 45 games. 6 seed. ECF's. fa sho!

Why not just add Johnson and Engles to compliment Jimmy? You move Jimmy out for a worse player in CJ and you only get a 4 win difference. Hell this Bulls roster would have been 4-5 games better if the young players wouldn't have been so hot and cold or Rondo wasn't terrible the majority of the season.

better and easier foundation to build around CJ than to build around Jimmy. jimmy won make ingles and JJ better. CJ does by virtue of his elite 3 pt shooting and ability to score at the rim and mid range floaters as well. CJ's scoring is not dependant on the refs whistle. jimmy's is. which means you need the refs on your side. which is more "luck" dependent. Once a player bully ball fades and that player who's efficiency is FT depenedant no longer get s those calls that player is almost useless. even shaq became useless at some point.

[the ultimates]

rondo/Val/payne
CJ/Wade/grant
Engles/zip
James Johnson/niko
rolo/chris/niko

im down wit dat! 2 great shooters and 1-2 good shooters on the floor at all times. 3-4 tough nosed defenders on the court as well with those shooters(some of them the same guy).

team ball!! ball movement. these guys will play for each other and make each other better. James and CJ and even wade and rondo can all get shots and play make. that team wins 45 games. 6 seed. ECF's. fa sho!

Why not just add Johnson and Engles to compliment Jimmy? You move Jimmy out for a worse player in CJ and you only get a 4 win difference. Hell this Bulls roster would have been 4-5 games better if the young players wouldn't have been so hot and cold or Rondo wasn't terrible the majority of the season.

better and easier foundation to build around CJ than to build around Jimmy. jimmy won make ingles and JJ better. CJ does by virtue of his elite 3 pt shooting and ability to score at the rim and mid range floaters as well. CJ's scoring is not dependant on the refs whistle. jimmy's is. which means you need the refs on your side. which is more "luck" dependent. Once a player bully ball fades and that player who's efficiency is FT depenedant no longer get s those calls that player is almost useless. even shaq became useless at some point.

Getting to the foul line or if not fouled getting into the paint causes just as many problems for the defense. That makes role players particularly shooters better but it wouldn't make Ingles or Johnson better Drawing fouls is an underrated and often overlooked skill. Remember when people were begging Derrick in his mvp year to draw more fouls? That doesn't just suddenly go away. Is Jimmy all of sudden not going to be strong next year and draw and power through contact. I'll take Jimmy being an elite player into his 12th and 13th like Shaq was. Small guards like CJ even if they can shoot start to fall off greatly around 29-30 years old.

[kyrv]

wait a minute...I'm watching the Raptors against the Lebrons...Deron Williams just went down after the Raptors scored a bucket. It was a non call with PJ Tucker moving his forearms towards him while Ibaka got the basket, yet the refs get to do a replay on a non foul call to see if it is a tech or a flagrant? smh

This replay system is just holding up the game more than before.

That's wild. They must have the green light in an effort to clean up the game. Big picture, probably a good thing because dirty players can often get away with stuff when nobody is looking. Now everyone is looking.

Why that was not done with the Celtics, don't know.

[kyrv]

Just have a very punitive luxury tax. That is more effective than anything - just look at this franchise for proof of that.

If Ballmer or Prokhorov want to blow $300million or something for a year, hey go ahead - most of that money's actually going to the other teams.

One cheap franchise doesn't prove the rule, in fact as I understand it here, the Bulls are the exception in caring about finances.

A punitive tax that prevents one cheap team from spending when they wouldn't anyway, doesn't resolve a league wide issue.

A few teams giving out money to other teams does not help the balance. It helps the pockets of the other teams, doesn't help the on court product.

It isn't just the Bulls though. Look how the Knicks didn't bother keeping Lin because of it. The Clippers this summer are absolutely not going to keep everybody on that roster even though they have the richest owner.

Even rich guys don't like losing hundreds of millions of dollars every year on players. They would really just end up hurting each other, which is exactly why they implemented these rules on themselves.

If you have a luxury tax that is punitive enough to basically act as a de facto hard salary cap, that is all you really need. When paying Chris Paul, say, $60million a year actually means $120million or even more a year, no owner's going to do that.

You're right. I've been conditioned here that only the Bulls have a budget. The Heat amnestied a popular player during title runs. People don't generally get rich being stupid with money.

[the ultimates]

If that isn't a moving screen on Lebron setting that pick in the elevator play I don't know what is.

[stilldropin20]

Why not just add Johnson and Engles to compliment Jimmy? You move Jimmy out for a worse player in CJ and you only get a 4 win difference. Hell this Bulls roster would have been 4-5 games better if the young players wouldn't have been so hot and cold or Rondo wasn't terrible the majority of the season.

better and easier foundation to build around CJ than to build around Jimmy. jimmy won make ingles and JJ better. CJ does by virtue of his elite 3 pt shooting and ability to score at the rim and mid range floaters as well. CJ's scoring is not dependant on the refs whistle. jimmy's is. which means you need the refs on your side. which is more "luck" dependent. Once a player bully ball fades and that player who's efficiency is FT depenedant no longer get s those calls that player is almost useless. even shaq became useless at some point.

Getting to the foul line or if not fouled getting into the paint causes just as many problems for the defense. That makes role players particularly shooters better but it wouldn't make Ingles or Johnson better Drawing fouls is an underrated and often overlooked skill. Remember when people were begging Derrick in his mvp year to draw more fouls? That doesn't just suddenly go away. Is Jimmy all of sudden not going to be strong next year and draw and power through contact. I'll take Jimmy being an elite player into his 12th and 13th like Shaq was. Small guards like CJ even if they can shoot start to fall off greatly around 29-30 years old.

"power and athletic" based players tend to get hurt more. and always near the end of the season. we've had plenty of experience with that with Rose. Jimmy has been knicked up now for 2 different post seasons (if we are to believe jimmy was even hurt?). hurt or not. he was atrocious in games 3-6. bulls got backdoor swept. blown out by an average of 25 frickin points.

and boston aint even that good. we have seen what a jimmy led team can do. Jimmy is not 19 or 20. he will be 28 before the season starts. his athletic decline has already begun. he doesn't have the skills like elite ball handling or shooting or just good ol' fashioned nuanced ball fakes and eye brow fakes that translate into being great beyond age 30-31. He is just NOT A BASKETBALL SAVANT. This is it for Jimmy. he likely just had his best year ever. it took us to 41 aweful wins. a brutal season.

CJ miles however is indeed a basketball savant. and has polished handles and shooting to go with his floor game.
He is not undersized. Because he is a PG in the modern NBA. and in terms of "size." avery bradley just manhandled Jimmy in the boston series. so size is over rated. see Niko as well.

CJ is 25. basketball savants always improve. sometimes until their mid 30's. when a player like him cant be the #1 option anymore he will still be lethal off ball like ray allen was until his late 30's. they improve by many means. some of which is by teaching young guys how to play better (the right way). the sum of the parts is always stronger than any 1 or 2 individual basketball players. The 60's celtics and 80's lakers and Celtic 90's Bulls SA Spurs over the last 20 years and early pre durant warriors taught us this. Early Shaq and Kobe teams didn't play off each other well at all. PJ taught the lakers how to play for each other as well as brought in players that would teach those 2 to do just that on the court and they 3-peated. CJ Mcollum gets all that and just said the same on TV 2 nights ago about this years spurs team.

These nuanced ideas in basketball are simply just lost on jimmy. i mean we had a former MVP "point guard" on the team and Jimmy answer a question in the summer a few years ago about what posiiton he plays. "point guard." i mean jimmy is kinda dumb. he plays a dumb brand of basketball and says and does dumb things. he seldom if ever does things off ball to make his team mates better. i almost never see jimmy take himself out of a play or make a cut that clears the lane for another player. instead he stands there, clogs that lane with himself and his defender and makes it harder. wade does the same. Yet Jimmy recruited wade and clamored for wade. and butt buddied with wade. and intelligent player/leader of the team would simply go to wade and say, "bruh, we need you to do some things differently." thats part of the reason why the role players look night and day difference with jimmy and wade. NOTE!!! I didn't say the only reason. but its part of the reason. and jimmy either doesn't get this. or doesn't have the balls to stand up to wade and encourage wade to modify his role because he doesn't sense the urgency. and thats in addition to bring close to nothing getting almost nothing out of the role players once rondo went down.

CJ Mcollum OTOH took it to GS, the number #1 defense in the league bar none. and thats with poor offensive fit in lillard dominating the ball.

lillard and Jimmy almost deserve each other. and for what both jimmy and lillard want to do. they are a better fit personality wise. i'd love to give them to each other. love that.

bring CJ over here who would be a young Ray allen type to pair with Rondo(a team first player and solid defender). Sign James Johnson (also a team player good defender)and Joe Ingles(very much a team player and tough nosed defender). groom Zip, grant, and Val with them and thats pretty decent team. maybe payne can be the selfish gunner off the bench? with wade?

i'm ready for a new direction.

[ChicagoStrong]

The NBA isn't even watchable anymore.

[Repeat 3-peat]

The NBA isn't even watchable anymore.

When it comes to postseason play.

NHL >>>> NBA

[pduh01]

rondo/Val/payne
CJ/Wade/grant
Engles/zip
James Johnson/niko
rolo/chris/niko

im down wit dat! 2 great shooters and 1-2 good shooters on the floor at all times. 3-4 tough nosed defenders on the court as well with those shooters(some of them the same guy).

team ball!! ball movement. these guys will play for each other and make each other better. James and CJ and even wade and rondo can all get shots and play make. that team wins 45 games. 6 seed. ECF's. fa sho!

Why not just add Johnson and Engles to compliment Jimmy? You move Jimmy out for a worse player in CJ and you only get a 4 win difference. Hell this Bulls roster would have been 4-5 games better if the young players wouldn't have been so hot and cold or Rondo wasn't terrible the majority of the season.

better and easier foundation to build around CJ than to build around Jimmy. jimmy won make ingles and JJ better. CJ does by virtue of his elite 3 pt shooting and ability to score at the rim and mid range floaters as well. CJ's scoring is not dependant on the refs whistle. jimmy's is. which means you need the refs on your side. which is more "luck" dependent. Once a player bully ball fades and that player who's efficiency is FT depenedant no longer get s those calls that player is almost useless. even shaq became useless at some point.

Shooters and a player like Jimmy Butler of his style that needed each other to help mesh their game. Hell I would even say a player like CJ and Jimmy will compliment each other so well. Spacing is important but a player like Jimmy, or other players that capable attacking the basket and getting to foul line is also important you need both you do not want to build a team that is relying on just a jump shooting team live by a shooter, you die by the shooter still hold truth to that statement regardless how much change the NBA have become. But you also don't want to build a team to relying on player like Jimmy because opposing teams can pack the paint because you don't have reliable shooters to keep the defense honest. That's why I say, and what I mean a player like Jimmy of his style and shooters are connecting, and need each other.

Why do you think what the Rockets did last off-season? Not saying Jimmy is like James Harden but both love to attack the basket and draw the foul. To succeed that beside ball movement and to mesh their games is you need shooters that's why the Rockets bring reliable shooters to create better spacing for James Harden to give more room for him to get in the paint to do his work. The Bulls don't have reliable shooters on the current roster.

Now I'm not going to say Jimmy is the next Lebron he is nothing like Lebron but I am trying to make a point, and try to give another example why you think Cavs getting some reliable shooters to surround Lebron James? Sure he is a complete player now but even guys like Lebron needs shooters that's why they got Love, that's why they got Frye, that's why got Korver, and hell you can add James Jones to the mix. Of course Lebron got help some Irving and Smith do wonders too.

Trading Jimmy for a young prospect for a build is one thing but trading Jimmy for someone like CJ is another, and is an awful trade if anything CJ pairing with Jimmy will do wonders in terms of spacing of course you going to need more offensive weapons to surround them.

[the ultimates]

better and easier foundation to build around CJ than to build around Jimmy. jimmy won make ingles and JJ better. CJ does by virtue of his elite 3 pt shooting and ability to score at the rim and mid range floaters as well. CJ's scoring is not dependant on the refs whistle. jimmy's is. which means you need the refs on your side. which is more "luck" dependent. Once a player bully ball fades and that player who's efficiency is FT depenedant no longer get s those calls that player is almost useless. even shaq became useless at some point.

Getting to the foul line or if not fouled getting into the paint causes just as many problems for the defense. That makes role players particularly shooters better but it wouldn't make Ingles or Johnson better Drawing fouls is an underrated and often overlooked skill. Remember when people were begging Derrick in his mvp year to draw more fouls? That doesn't just suddenly go away. Is Jimmy all of sudden not going to be strong next year and draw and power through contact. I'll take Jimmy being an elite player into his 12th and 13th like Shaq was. Small guards like CJ even if they can shoot start to fall off greatly around 29-30 years old.

"power and athletic" based players tend to get hurt more. and always near the end of the season. we've had plenty of experience with that with Rose. Jimmy has been knicked up now for 2 different post seasons (if we are to believe jimmy was even hurt?). hurt or not. he was atrocious in games 3-6. bulls got backdoor swept. blown out by an average of 25 frickin points.

and boston aint even that good. we have seen what a jimmy led team can do. Jimmy is not 19 or 20. he will be 28 before the season starts. his athletic decline has already begun. he doesn't have the skills like elite ball handling or shooting or just good ol' fashioned nuanced ball fakes and eye brow fakes that translate into being great beyond age 30-31. He is just NOT A BASKETBALL SAVANT. This is it for Jimmy. he likely just had his best year ever. it took us to 41 aweful wins. a brutal season.

CJ miles however is indeed a basketball savant. and has polished handles and shooting to go with his floor game.
He is not undersized. Because he is a PG in the modern NBA. and in terms of "size." avery bradley just manhandled Jimmy in the boston series. so size is over rated. see Niko as well.

CJ is 25. basketball savants always improve. sometimes until their mid 30's. when a player like him cant be the #1 option anymore he will still be lethal off ball like ray allen was until his late 30's. they improve by many means. some of which is by teaching young guys how to play better (the right way). the sum of the parts is always stronger than any 1 or 2 individual basketball players. The 60's celtics and 80's lakers and Celtic 90's Bulls SA Spurs over the last 20 years and early pre durant warriors taught us this. Early Shaq and Kobe teams didn't play off each other well at all. PJ taught the lakers how to play for each other as well as brought in players that would teach those 2 to do just that on the court and they 3-peated. CJ Mcollum gets all that and just said the same on TV 2 nights ago about this years spurs team.

These nuanced ideas in basketball are simply just lost on jimmy. i mean we had a former MVP "point guard" on the team and Jimmy answer a question in the summer a few years ago about what posiiton he plays. "point guard." i mean jimmy is kinda dumb. he plays a dumb brand of basketball and says and does dumb things. he seldom if ever does things off ball to make his team mates better. i almost never see jimmy take himself out of a play or make a cut that clears the lane for another player. instead he stands there, clogs that lane with himself and his defender and makes it harder. wade does the same. Yet Jimmy recruited wade and clamored for wade. and butt buddied with wade. and intelligent player/leader of the team would simply go to wade and say, "bruh, we need you to do some things differently." thats part of the reason why the role players look night and day difference with jimmy and wade. NOTE!!! I didn't say the only reason. but its part of the reason. and jimmy either doesn't get this. or doesn't have the balls to stand up to wade and encourage wade to modify his role because he doesn't sense the urgency. and thats in addition to bring close to nothing getting almost nothing out of the role players once rondo went down.

CJ Mcollum OTOH took it to GS, the number #1 defense in the league bar none. and thats with poor offensive fit in lillard dominating the ball.

lillard and Jimmy almost deserve each other. and for what both jimmy and lillard want to do. they are a better fit personality wise. i'd love to give them to each other. love that.

bring CJ over here who would be a young Ray allen type to pair with Rondo(a team first player and solid defender). Sign James Johnson (also a team player good defender)and Joe Ingles(very much a team player and tough nosed defender). groom Zip, grant, and Val with them and thats pretty decent team. maybe payne can be the selfish gunner off the bench? with wade?

i'm ready for a new direction.

You type a whole lot words but aren't really saying anything. Jimmy is going to be 28 and CJ 26. That is far from some huge age difference. For a basketball savant in Mccollum the best he could playing with another all-star caliber player is be .500. Jimmy did that with far less help.

Then this tired ass Jimmy doesn't make players better stuff needs to die a horrible fiery death. It doesn't show up in any regular or advanced stats yet you keep beating this drum with your flawed eye test. By what exact measure did Mccollum take it to Golden state? 23pts on 40% shooting from the field? A per of 13.3?

[pduh01]

better and easier foundation to build around CJ than to build around Jimmy. jimmy won make ingles and JJ better. CJ does by virtue of his elite 3 pt shooting and ability to score at the rim and mid range floaters as well. CJ's scoring is not dependant on the refs whistle. jimmy's is. which means you need the refs on your side. which is more "luck" dependent. Once a player bully ball fades and that player who's efficiency is FT depenedant no longer get s those calls that player is almost useless. even shaq became useless at some point.

Getting to the foul line or if not fouled getting into the paint causes just as many problems for the defense. That makes role players particularly shooters better but it wouldn't make Ingles or Johnson better Drawing fouls is an underrated and often overlooked skill. Remember when people were begging Derrick in his mvp year to draw more fouls? That doesn't just suddenly go away. Is Jimmy all of sudden not going to be strong next year and draw and power through contact. I'll take Jimmy being an elite player into his 12th and 13th like Shaq was. Small guards like CJ even if they can shoot start to fall off greatly around 29-30 years old.

"power and athletic" based players tend to get hurt more. and always near the end of the season. we've had plenty of experience with that with Rose. Jimmy has been knicked up now for 2 different post seasons (if we are to believe jimmy was even hurt?). hurt or not. he was atrocious in games 3-6. bulls got backdoor swept. blown out by an average of 25 frickin points.

and boston aint even that good. we have seen what a jimmy led team can do. Jimmy is not 19 or 20. he will be 28 before the season starts. his athletic decline has already begun. he doesn't have the skills like elite ball handling or shooting or just good ol' fashioned nuanced ball fakes and eye brow fakes that translate into being great beyond age 30-31. He is just NOT A BASKETBALL SAVANT. This is it for Jimmy. he likely just had his best year ever. it took us to 41 aweful wins. a brutal season.

CJ miles however is indeed a basketball savant. and has polished handles and shooting to go with his floor game.
He is not undersized. Because he is a PG in the modern NBA. and in terms of "size." avery bradley just manhandled Jimmy in the boston series. so size is over rated. see Niko as well.

CJ is 25. basketball savants always improve. sometimes until their mid 30's. when a player like him cant be the #1 option anymore he will still be lethal off ball like ray allen was until his late 30's. they improve by many means. some of which is by teaching young guys how to play better (the right way). the sum of the parts is always stronger than any 1 or 2 individual basketball players. The 60's celtics and 80's lakers and Celtic 90's Bulls SA Spurs over the last 20 years and early pre durant warriors taught us this. Early Shaq and Kobe teams didn't play off each other well at all. PJ taught the lakers how to play for each other as well as brought in players that would teach those 2 to do just that on the court and they 3-peated. CJ Mcollum gets all that and just said the same on TV 2 nights ago about this years spurs team.

These nuanced ideas in basketball are simply just lost on jimmy. i mean we had a former MVP "point guard" on the team and Jimmy answer a question in the summer a few years ago about what posiiton he plays. "point guard." i mean jimmy is kinda dumb. he plays a dumb brand of basketball and says and does dumb things. he seldom if ever does things off ball to make his team mates better. i almost never see jimmy take himself out of a play or make a cut that clears the lane for another player. instead he stands there, clogs that lane with himself and his defender and makes it harder. wade does the same. Yet Jimmy recruited wade and clamored for wade. and butt buddied with wade. and intelligent player/leader of the team would simply go to wade and say, "bruh, we need you to do some things differently." thats part of the reason why the role players look night and day difference with jimmy and wade. NOTE!!! I didn't say the only reason. but its part of the reason. and jimmy either doesn't get this. or doesn't have the balls to stand up to wade and encourage wade to modify his role because he doesn't sense the urgency. and thats in addition to bring close to nothing getting almost nothing out of the role players once rondo went down.

CJ Mcollum OTOH took it to GS, the number #1 defense in the league bar none. and thats with poor offensive fit in lillard dominating the ball.

lillard and Jimmy almost deserve each other. and for what both jimmy and lillard want to do. they are a better fit personality wise. i'd love to give them to each other. love that.

bring CJ over here who would be a young Ray allen type to pair with Rondo(a team first player and solid defender). Sign James Johnson (also a team player good defender)and Joe Ingles(very much a team player and tough nosed defender). groom Zip, grant, and Val with them and thats pretty decent team. maybe payne can be the selfish gunner off the bench? with wade?

i'm ready for a new direction.

Jimmy Butler is not a basketball savant but a guy like CJ Miles is? WTF?!?

[dumbell78]

The NBA isn't even watchable anymore.

When it comes to postseason play.

NHL >>>> NBA

Even the NHL has screwed it up with the seeding matchups. You have best teams playing each other in the 1st and 2nd rounds.

[Rerisen]

Isaiah killing these fools. Wall better wake up, 0-9.

[Repeat 3-peat]

The NBA isn't even watchable anymore.

When it comes to postseason play.

NHL >>>> NBA

Even the NHL has screwed it up with the seeding matchups. You have best teams playing each other in the 1st and 2nd rounds.

I agree there. Still more entertaining to watch Imo.

[Repeat 3-peat]

Wall is on fire.