De'Aaron Fox

SactownHrtBrks8 · Post #1 » by **SactownHrtBrks8** » Sun May 7, 2017 8:28 pm

Any better NBA comparison than Dennis Schroder? This seems to be main comparison that is throw out about him.

MotownMadness · Post #2 » by **MotownMadness** » Sun May 7, 2017 9:07 pm

I know he won't be as impactful but he reminds me of John Wall. His Speed, playmaking and defense reminds me of his game.

Prokorov · Post #3 » by **Prokorov** » Sun May 7, 2017 9:12 pm

SactownHrtBrks8 wrote:Any better NBA comparison than Dennis Schroder? This seems to be main comparison that is throw out about him.

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jonjames · Post #4 » by **jonjames** » Mon May 8, 2017 3:32 am

John wall/taller better Mike conley

SactownHrtBrks8 · Post #5 » by **SactownHrtBrks8** » Mon May 8, 2017 5:01 am

jonjames wrote:John wall/taller better Mike conley

That talented?

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916fan · Post #6 » by **916fan** » Mon May 8, 2017 5:17 am

Don't see a good NBA comp for him. I don't think he plays similar to any of the guys already in the league. Prime D-Rose is interesting though..

Up-And-Coming · Post #7 » by **Up-And-Coming** » Mon May 8, 2017 7:31 am

I don't get the John Wall comparison. I know they are both taller point guards that are quick but I don't think they play similarly. I feel like John Wall uses his speed more often in straighter line drives while De'Aaron is a lot more crafty with his play. I see some similarities with Mike Conley but De'Aaron is a lot taller and a bit more athletic.

Imo he is an underrated prospect. I didn't know much about him earlier in the season but I've been "scouting" him recently and I think he has a great case to be picked top 3. He has elite size, speed, athleticism, and heart and seems to have his head on right.

I would not be surprised if people look back at this draft and wonder why he was picked outside the top 3.

Kolkmania · Post #8 » by **Kolkmania** » Mon May 8, 2017 8:26 am

He's much better at the rim than Dennis Schroder and not as reckless with the ball in his hands. Not nearly as strong as John Wall, apart from being quick they're not really similar. Mike Conley had a terrible shooting year at OSU as well, but I don't see De'Aaron Fox shooting 38% from three for his career. Elfrid Payton declared as a junior and proved he wasn't a capable shooter at all (Fox historically bad shooting numbers might be noise), besides that he's not nearly as gifted laterally and in his ability to shift gears.

I agree with 916fan that there isn't a good comparison available, think NBA comparisons are lazy anyway.

The-Power · Post #9 » by **The-Power** » Mon May 8, 2017 9:53 am

jonjames wrote:John wall/taller better Mike conley

Mike Conley can actually shoot while Fox can't and Wall is an elite playmaker which I haven't seen from Fox. Those two are among the defining characteristics of the two players which is why I have a hard time considering this an accurate comparison. If anything John Wall without the elite-level playmaking or Mike Conley with worse shooting appears to be a more adequate comparison for the time being.

SelfishPlayer · Post #10 » by **SelfishPlayer** » Mon May 8, 2017 1:09 pm

Taller Tony Parker.

TheSuzerain · Post #11 » by **TheSuzerain** » Mon May 8, 2017 1:11 pm

Lol at some of these comparisons

No-Man · Post #12 » by **No-Man** » Mon May 8, 2017 3:02 pm

The closest comp is Tony Parker with less poise/shooting touch, more explosive (but dunno how useful is that in his case with his lack of strength/balance), something in between Schröder and Parker.

Jody Smokz · Post #13 » by **Jody Smokz** » Tue May 9, 2017 2:58 pm

Dude was just as productive and talented as Wall in his 1 year at UK. Not saying he's going to be as good at the NBA level but the comparison isn't far off. I love how people say (player) will be a lesser version of such and such but said player ends up being better. If the NBA has shown us anything is that some things just can't be predicted at all. Like 3-4 of the top 10-12 guys in the NBA were never projected to be as good as they are right now. Westbrook, Paul George, Kawhi and Jimmy Butler all come to mind. Even after their 2nd-3rd seasons no one expected what these guys are doing now to be possible.

SactownHrtBrks8 · Post #14 » by **SactownHrtBrks8** » Tue May 9, 2017 4:48 pm

I think De'Aaron Fox is better prospect than Dennis Schroeder. I am not sure if he is as good as Wall as a prospects, but i can seeing him being that level production after a couple years.

The-Power · Post #15 » by **The-Power** » Tue May 9, 2017 5:12 pm

Jody Smokz wrote:Dude was just as productive and talented as Wall in his 1 year at UK. Not saying he's going to be as good at the NBA level but the comparison isn't far off. I love how people say (player) will be a lesser version of such and such but said player ends up being better. If the NBA has shown us anything is that some things just can't be predicted at all. Like 3-4 of the top 10-12 guys in the NBA were never projected to be as good as they are right now. Westbrook, Paul George, Kawhi and Jimmy Butler all come to mind. Even after their 2nd-3rd seasons no one expected what these guys are doing now to be possible.

It doesn't make much sense to look for outliers and bring them up as if that would help the discussion, though. I agree that we should not put definite ceilings on players but when people are making comparisons it is not only fair but necessary to point out that this comparison is - as of now - off. We can only work with what we know at a particular point in time after all. In order to be anything like Wall, for instance, you must be a great playmaker. It makes little sense to compare Fox to Wall on the off chance that he completely transforms his game. Just like we shouldn't assume every good defensive SF with length and poor 3pt-shooting develops into Kawhi Leonard - even if one player does, it's simply not a good foundation for a discussion.

Jody Smokz · Post #16 » by **Jody Smokz** » Tue May 9, 2017 5:21 pm

Fox is pretty damn good though. Wall was pretty stagnant up until last year from his rookie year. I'd argue that if his jumper gets a bit better that Wall could be a likely comp for him.

The-Power wrote:
Jody Smokz wrote:Dude was just as productive and talented as Wall in his 1 year at UK. Not saying he's going to be as good at the NBA level but the comparison isn't far off. I love how people say (player) will be a lesser version of such and such but said player ends up being better. If the NBA has shown us anything is that some things just can't be predicted at all. Like 3-4 of the top 10-12 guys in the NBA were never projected to be as good as they are right now. Westbrook, Paul George, Kawhi and Jimmy Butler all come to mind. Even after their 2nd-3rd seasons no one expected what these guys are doing now to be possible.

It doesn't make much sense to look for outliers and bring them up as if that would help the discussion, though. I agree that we should not put definite ceilings on players but when people are making comparisons it is not only fair but necessary to point out that this comparison is - as of now - off. We can only work with what we know at a particular point in time after all. In order to be anything like Wall, for instance, you must be a great playmaker. It makes little sense to compare Fox to Wall on the off chance that he completely transforms his game. Just like we shouldn't assume every good defensive SF with length and poor 3pt-shooting develops into Kawhi Leonard - even if one player does, it's simply not a good foundation for a discussion.

The-Power · Post #17 » by **The-Power** » Tue May 9, 2017 5:23 pm

Jody Smokz wrote:Fox is pretty damn good though. Wall was pretty stagnant up until last year from his rookie year. I'd argue that if his jumper gets a bit better that Wall could be a likely comp for him.

So he magically turns into an elite playmaker? This sounds more like wishful thinking than going by the odds.

Jody Smokz · Post #18 » by **Jody Smokz** » Tue May 9, 2017 5:30 pm

Wall wasn't exactly an elite playmaker in college. He's very good there but I consider Bron, Cp3 and others like Nash from the past to be elite. Wall was actually projected to be a scoring guard coming in. We don't know how Fox's FULL game will translate in the NBA. A lot of how Wall gets assist is via dribble penetration and then making the correct pass. Obviously the NBA has better players, shooters and finishers. I have no doubts Fox's dribble penetration skills and ability to make decisions out of PnR will translate. If he lands on a team like PHX with scorers he'll be fine.

The-Power wrote:
Jody Smokz wrote:Fox is pretty damn good though. Wall was pretty stagnant up until last year from his rookie year. I'd argue that if his jumper gets a bit better that Wall could be a likely comp for him.

So he magically turns into an elite playmaker? This sounds more like wishful thinking than going by the odds.

The-Power · Post #19 » by **The-Power** » Tue May 9, 2017 5:44 pm

Jody Smokz wrote:Wall wasn't exactly an elite playmaker in college. He's very good there but I consider Bron, Cp3 and others like Nash from the past to be elite. Wall was actually projected to be a scoring guard coming in.

Well, this is exactly what I was talking about. Just because Wall made tremendous progress doesn't mean we should project a similar development for other players. Wall's development as a playmaker is an exception. If we do expect every player to be such an exception based on a gut-feeling or hope then the draft prospects are getting unreasonably hyped. I understand hopeful fandom but this shouldn't be the basis for an unbiased discussion. But maybe you simply consider Wall an above-average but neither good nor great playmaker for a PG. I don't see it but at least then the comparison would make more sense because Fox might very well develop into an above-average playmaker for a PG. Still, comparisons that are made because one diverges from the common opinion about the players prospects are being compared to should explicitly mention that. It's relevant for others to know the unconventional assessment.

reanimator · Post #20 » by **reanimator** » Tue May 9, 2017 6:04 pm

John Wall is always going to have a good 20 lbs on Fox. That alone makes it an imperfect comparison.