Hawks begin search for new GM

Post #1 » by **Jamaaliver** » Fri May 5, 2017 7:23 pm

Tony Ressler hopes to hire Hawks’ new GM before NBA draft

The Hawks will conduct a comprehensive search for a new executive to run their basketball operations department but hope to fill the position before next month’s NBA draft, principal owner Tony Ressler said Friday.

“We are full steam ahead looking for a GM and hopeful of having one before the draft and free-agent dates,” Ressler said.

Although Ressler said the new executive will be the general manager, he left open the question of whether that person also might get the title of president of basketball operations.

“Uncertain,” Ressler said. “We have not yet decided if the new GM should acquire that title to be more effective. But I can live without the title, I can live with the title. The title is not that relevant. Functions and taking us to the next level (are) why we’re doing this.”

As for candidates for the job, Ressler said: “We think there are all kinds of interesting candidates, as you might imagine, so it’s pretty wide open. I think (that) would be my description.”

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Post #2 » by **Jamaaliver** » Fri May 5, 2017 7:25 pm

What the heck?

Report: Joe Dumars, David Griffin candidates for Hawks front office

Two names have emerged as candidates for a high-ranking front office position with the Atlanta Hawks: Joe Dumars and Cleveland Cavaliers’ David Griffin.

In short, Dumars has been away from the Pistons the last few years. He might want to get back into an NBA front office to get to work. Griffin may honestly be tired of the drama and combative nature of working for the Cavaliers. Atlanta won’t be as stressful of a job for Griffin as the one he has in Cleveland. The Hawks aren’t the first team that has targeted him in a front office role this spring.

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Post #3 » by **ATL Boy** » Fri May 5, 2017 7:33 pm

I'd be ok with Griffin but want no part of Dumars.

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BloodNinja · Post #4 » by **BloodNinja** » Sat May 6, 2017 4:45 am

I would be interested to see what Dumars has to offer given a second chance. He was great in Detroit but when it was time to move the team in a new direction he made some bad "win now" decisions that back fired.

atlantabbq99 · Post #5 » by **atlantabbq99** » Sat May 6, 2017 5:57 am

I want no part of Dumars. He is one of the worst Drafting GMs. But He is pretty good at getting vets. His star has faded since Josh Smith and all the bad draft picks

tbhawksfan1 · Post #6 » by **tbhawksfan1** » Sat May 6, 2017 3:15 pm

I can"t get behind the guy that took Josh when he still had a big contract. Everyone knew who Smith was at that point. Horrendous move that Detroit ended up eating while releading Josh....ouch

MaceCase · Post #7 » by **MaceCase** » Sat May 6, 2017 6:57 pm

atlantabbq99 wrote:I want no part of Dumars. He is one of the worst Drafting GMs. But He is pretty good at getting vets. His star has faded since Josh Smith and all the bad draft picks

You've got that backwards.

Geaux_Hawks · Post #8 » by **Geaux_Hawks** » Sat May 6, 2017 11:03 pm

If signing a B-level player impact player is Dumars biggest blunder(which Darko actually takes that award), then give me the guy who made it to 6 conference championships, 2 NBA Finals, and won 1 of them.

He drafted KCP(solid defending 2 guard), Drummond, Middleton, Jonas Jerebko, Monroe, Afflalo, Okur, and Tayshaun Prince. Not the most spectacular amount of talent, but there are some solid role players in there considering where the Pistons usually ended up drafting at.

Post #9 » by **Jamaaliver** » Sun May 7, 2017 12:06 am

Geaux_Hawks wrote:If signing a B-level player impact player is Dumars biggest blunder(which Darko actually takes that award), then give me the guy who made it to 6 conference championships, 2 NBA Finals, and won 1 of them.

He drafted KCP(solid defending 2 guard), Drummond, Middleton, Jonas Jerebko, Monroe, Afflalo, Okur, and Tayshaun Prince. Not the most spectacular amount of talent, but there are some solid role players in there considering where the Pistons usually ended up drafting at.

Well played, Geaux.

Drummond, Middleton and KCP are each studs. And That's a core that should be contending for titles.

I'm conflicted on Dumars, but his draft record for over a decade is...solid considering the massive Darko blunder.

But trading Middleton for Jennings and signing Josh Smith. Whew. That's really hard to get past.

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tbhawksfan1 · Post #10 » by **tbhawksfan1** » Sun May 7, 2017 7:53 am

Dumars is an alpha type GM. I think he would at least stabilize the FO team and create a clear hierarchial decision making process that would eliminate all the waffling we've been seeing.

Good drafting record. After a long, very successful run in Detroit things went bad.

dumars should be a vast improvement from what we've had.

Need to bring in someone quickly to start dealing with this roster mess

atlantabbq99 · Post #11 » by **atlantabbq99** » Sun May 7, 2017 12:08 pm

Geaux_Hawks wrote:If signing a B-level player impact player is Dumars biggest blunder(which Darko actually takes that award), then give me the guy who made it to 6 conference championships, 2 NBA Finals, and won 1 of them.

He drafted KCP(solid defending 2 guard), Drummond, Middleton, Jonas Jerebko, Monroe, Afflalo, Okur, and Tayshaun Prince. Not the most spectacular amount of talent, but there are some solid role players in there considering where the Pistons usually ended up drafting at.

He did a horrible job with Middleton, he just blew it, he traded Khris for a bust like Jennings. Monroe, Afflalo, KCP are all bust. He passed up on Giannis, Schröder, Paul George, Klay Thompson, Hayward and all he has to show for it is one of the worst shooting SG in the NBA in KCP.

I'll give him credit for Prince, that was a great pick in that draft. But i'm not going to give him credit for Drummond. Drummond was a top 3 pick who ended up falling to #8, so that's not really genius there.

Geaux_Hawks · Post #12 » by **Geaux_Hawks** » Sun May 7, 2017 5:16 pm

atlantabbq99 wrote:
Geaux_Hawks wrote:If signing a B-level player impact player is Dumars biggest blunder(which Darko actually takes that award), then give me the guy who made it to 6 conference championships, 2 NBA Finals, and won 1 of them.

He drafted KCP(solid defending 2 guard), Drummond, Middleton, Jonas Jerebko, Monroe, Afflalo, Okur, and Tayshaun Prince. Not the most spectacular amount of talent, but there are some solid role players in there considering where the Pistons usually ended up drafting at.

He did a horrible job with Middleton, he just blew it, he traded Khris for a bust like Jennings. Monroe, Afflalo, KCP are all bust. He passed up on Giannis, Schröder, Paul George, Klay Thompson, Hayward and all he has to show for it is one of the worst shooting SG in the NBA in KCP.

I'll give him credit for Prince, that was a great pick in that draft. But i'm not going to give him credit for Drummond. Drummond was a top 3 pick who ended up falling to #8, so that's not really genius there.

Okay and Danny Ainge has never drafted anyone of relevance. Dumars has at least made better selections than Ainge, and honestly built a better championship team as well.

KCP one of the worst 2 guards in the game?? KCP has a higher WS than Marcus Smart and Avery Bradley, and they both get significant minutes for the Celtics. I'm sure KCP could make a contribution to the Celtics. Pistons fan base sure don't think they can afford to lose him for nothing.

Monroe isn't a bust either. He just hasn't found a team that can play to his strengths yet. He's been a solid contributor so far in the league according to advanced metrics.

I wouldn't even consider Afflalo a bust. He just wasn't a star. Every player isn't going to be that. Sometimes you're just a glorified role player.

14 other teams passed up Giannis; 10 other teams passed up Klay; 9 other teams passed up PG; 8 other teams passed up Hayward, so whats your point?? Dumars could have been one of those teams that passed up Drummond also, but he didn't. Doesn't have to be genius to be a good pick. GS had a need at Center, but chose Barnes, and GS is now the best team in the league. Dumars picked Middleton in the 2nd round that year by the way.

Detroit was considered a strong, young team on the rise before Dumars was fired. Monroe and Drummond were thought to be the next twin towers of the NBA.

Geaux_Hawks · Post #13 » by **Geaux_Hawks** » Sun May 7, 2017 5:43 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:
Geaux_Hawks wrote:If signing a B-level player impact player is Dumars biggest blunder(which Darko actually takes that award), then give me the guy who made it to 6 conference championships, 2 NBA Finals, and won 1 of them.

He drafted KCP(solid defending 2 guard), Drummond, Middleton, Jonas Jerebko, Monroe, Afflalo, Okur, and Tayshaun Prince. Not the most spectacular amount of talent, but there are some solid role players in there considering where the Pistons usually ended up drafting at.

But trading Middleton for Jennings and signing Josh Smith. Whew. That's really hard to get past.

Don't think this should raise concerns to much. Even our board was split on if we should retain Smith.

geeman · Post #14 » by **geeman** » Mon May 8, 2017 12:59 am

Shareef Abdur-Rahim
New blood, nice resume and I think he's ready

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the_process · Post #15 » by **the_process** » Mon May 8, 2017 3:09 pm

Are you guys rebuilding? If so, may I recommend Sam Hinkie?

Post #16 » by **ATL Boy** » Mon May 8, 2017 4:33 pm

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Post #17 » by **Jamaaliver** » Mon May 8, 2017 5:38 pm

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Weaver has earned respect for his ability to evaluate players in totality – their talent and their personalities. His ability to connect with people offers a broad pool of players to choose from and still fit a culture.

But Atlanta just demoted Mike Budenholzer (president) and Wes Wilcox (general manager), and Weaver has never held a title as lofty as the ones those two just lost.

Weaver deserves a chance to run his own team somewhere, though Atlanta brings complications. NBC Sports

tbhawksfan1 · Post #18 » by **tbhawksfan1** » Mon May 8, 2017 5:55 pm

what's the new GM going to do with an owner that wants to keep Sap and compete? We keep Sap,then we got to keep THJ and Moose because their bird rights is the best we can do. We will be able to bring in one FA at MLE, the rest has to come from minimum contracts. That"s:

Shro / DH / Sap / THJ / Bazemore / Prince / Bembry / Delaney / Dunleavy / Moose / Kelly

the rest has to come from #19, #31, #60, MLE, our not ready euro-stashes and minimums contracts. How are you going to compete with that?

I would love to be in on the GM interviews where they try to give the boss what he wants and tell a tale of how they can do it.

Hope at least one of them tells him how hopeless this situation is. Going in to next season with that group to compete is like starting a race 20 laps behind. Except that when you lose you've also compromised future races with a futile attempt.

Post #19 » by **Jamaaliver** » Mon May 8, 2017 6:02 pm

tbhawksfan1 wrote:what's the new GM going to do with an owner that wants to keep Sap and compete?

1. There's a strong chance a new GM won't want Millsap clogging up his payroll for years to come. I don't think it's a foregone conclusion a new GM will seek to bring Paul back.

2. I don't believe a word Tony Ressler says regarding personnel issues.

3. Millsap may not even want to come back with so much upheaval in the front office and on the roster. (See Horford, AL)

tbhawksfan1 · Post #20 » by **tbhawksfan1** » Mon May 8, 2017 6:22 pm

Maybe I like Ressler. Might have a touch of Mark Cuban in him. Don't care what you think, I'm gonna do it my way.