Trade Ideas thread

Post #381 » by **Klomp** » Sun May 7, 2017 4:45 pm

I'm surprised people are so willing to acquire Matthews. All I've read around here for months is "not another SG," "we need to move Wiggins to SG," etc.

Krapinsky · Post #382 » by **Krapinsky** » Sun May 7, 2017 5:39 pm

I think most people see Matthews as an interchangeable wing that could guard the opposing team's best scorer.

Streakers33 · Post #383 » by **Streakers33** » Sun May 7, 2017 7:06 pm

And as a bench peace that can come In and actually contribute that wouldn't be super expensive to pick up from dallas... imo

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moss_is_1 · Post #384 » by **moss_is_1** » Sun May 7, 2017 8:24 pm

Klomp wrote:I'm surprised people are so willing to acquire Matthews. All I've read around here for months is "not another SG," "we need to move Wiggins to SG," etc.

He addresses 3 things we really need. Defense, veteran leadership, and 3 point shooting. He can play with Wiggins and LaVine, so we'd have a nice 3 man wing rotation with Dunn/Vet SF off the bench for spot duty(Thabo, or a Rush type signing).

Post #385 » by **Klomp** » Sun May 7, 2017 9:54 pm

I just worry the fan interest is more based on reputation than actual production.

If we're acquiring him for his shooting, I'm surprised, since he's been close to Rubio-level percentages the last two years. 36% isn't exactly lights out, and his overall FG% last year was actually worse than Rubio (.393 to.402). TS% is basically identical too.

PharmD · Post #386 » by **PharmD** » Mon May 8, 2017 5:02 am

packforfreedom wrote:There's no way we trade for Porzingis. Matthews is a realistic target, I can't believe his value has dropped so much, that many mavs fan would give him away basically for capspace.

Favors would be too good to be true. perfect fit next to Kat. I don't think Utah will let him go, though. I think they'd want our pick in return.

If we somehow get the chance to trade for both, Matthews and Favors without touching Rubio, LaVine, Wiggins and KAT, I'd do it.

Wes was never a positive asset on this contract and given that he's declining and old and overpayed, he's not a neutral one either.

Favors was bad this year and is a UFA after next year so he's not worth very much. Also not the kind of player i'd want to pair with Towns.

big3_8_19_21 · Post #387 » by **big3_8_19_21** » Mon May 8, 2017 6:33 am

I would consider Matthews, but only after we took a swing at free agency to see if we could do something more worthwhile with the cap space and probably wouldn't add much value back to Dallas. I think he fits a lot better on our roster than he does in Dallas. When he's got Rubio finding him in his spots and KAT and Wiggins sucking up the defensive attention, I think we would see those percentages tick up a bit.

Still unlikely to be worth $18 mil a year, but there's only 2 years left on his deal. Since this is basically our last summer of having free agent money, I would take the gamble on absorbing some of Matthews' contract if we strike out in free agency and if we wouldn't have to give up much to get him

Feilong · Post #388 » by **Feilong** » Mon May 8, 2017 10:18 am

TOR will probably not resign Ibaka unless they can unload Carroll.
I would sign Ibaka for 80M/4Y and trade Dieng for Matthews.

Streakers33 · Post #389 » by **Streakers33** » Mon May 8, 2017 10:33 am

Does Carroll as Wiggins back up seem ok or just stupid?

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NewWolvesOrder · Post #390 » by **NewWolvesOrder** » Mon May 8, 2017 11:55 am

Trading for Carroll or Mathews should be a last resort. Both are at 53% TS and sub .100 WS/48. No efficiency there. Carroll plays 3 & 4 and makes less money, so he has a slight edge.

And trading Dieng for Mathews better come with a pick our way. Terrible trade otherwise.

shrink · Post #391 » by **shrink** » Mon May 8, 2017 1:22 pm

DeMarre Carroll gets paid $15/year for two years. I'm not sure I'd even use our cap space on him, even if TOR threw in the #23.

breatnach · Post #392 » by **breatnach** » Mon May 8, 2017 1:46 pm

shrink wrote:DeMarre Carroll gets paid $15/year for two years. I'm not sure I'd even use our cap space on him, even if TOR threw in the #23.

I think the question is, can you get something better for that money?

Assuming Taylor is willing to spend, our window to make a big signing is closed once contract extensions for LaVine, Wiggins and Towns kick in. After that we are limited to trades or MLEs.

Is Carroll worth $15? No, but it can't be worse than not signing anyone and if we get an asset on top of that, we should heavily consider it.

Post #393 » by **Klomp** » Mon May 8, 2017 4:01 pm

Feilong wrote:I would sign Ibaka for 80M/4Y and trade Dieng for Matthews.

Why? What makes Ibaka $16 million better than Dieng?

Mattya · Post #394 » by **Mattya** » Mon May 8, 2017 4:21 pm

Klomp wrote:
Feilong wrote:I would sign Ibaka for 80M/4Y and trade Dieng for Matthews.

Why? What makes Ibaka $16 million better than Dieng?

Better defending close to the rim and spreads the floor more.

andyhop · Post #395 » by **andyhop** » Mon May 8, 2017 5:04 pm

Klomp wrote:
Feilong wrote:I would sign Ibaka for 80M/4Y and trade Dieng for Matthews.

Why? What makes Ibaka $16 million better than Dieng?

Nothing ,Dieng is a much better player especially defensively than Ibaka

minimus · Post #396 » by **minimus** » Mon May 8, 2017 5:47 pm

shrink wrote:DeMarre Carroll gets paid $15/year for two years. I'm not sure I'd even use our cap space on him, even if TOR threw in the #23.

I would do it. Carroll has been awful, but if he passes physical test I think there is hope for a good season from him. Also this draft is deep so we can find a good player even at #23. For example Justine Jackson.

Streakers33 · Post #397 » by **Streakers33** » Mon May 8, 2017 6:18 pm

Which is why I have stated this is the year we should be buying picks.. and taking a chance on condensing our assets

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Krapinsky · Post #398 » by **Krapinsky** » Mon May 8, 2017 6:21 pm

Highly doubt we'll see draft picks for sale this year. NBA is flush with cash, draft is deep, and free agency options are limited.

Biggsohnasty · Post #399 » by **Biggsohnasty** » Mon May 8, 2017 8:03 pm

But if teams like Toronto or Portland in particular want to shed some bad money to try to sign other players and are willing to give up picks in the 20s, it'd be foolish not to explore that.

Those are the kinds of deals I think the Wolves should be looking at too. They have cap space - take on a contract like Carroll's that might not be great looking but can give you that coveted vet while also giving you some young guys that you can develop further.

I'd rather take on Wes Matthews or Allen Crabbe but if you can get Carroll and the Raptors attach a pick to it, he's better than just about any wing the Wolves can probably attract this summer.

Killboard · Post #400 » by **Killboard** » Mon May 8, 2017 9:35 pm

Biggsohnasty wrote:But if teams like Toronto or Portland in particular want to shed some bad money to try to sign other players and are willing to give up picks in the 20s, it'd be foolish not to explore that.

Those are the kinds of deals I think the Wolves should be looking at too. They have cap space - take on a contract like Carroll's that might not be great looking but can give you that coveted vet while also giving you some young guys that you can develop further.

I'd rather take on Wes Matthews or Allen Crabbe but if you can get Carroll and the Raptors attach a pick to it, he's better than just about any wing the Wolves can probably attract this summer.

Ingles is a better all around player, will demand kind of the same money and has been healthier. A late first isn't enough if you aren't targeting a specific guy. The chance those guy succeed is minimal.

I would go for Carroll only if he our FA targets are gone.