Where Are We On John Wall?

[lorak]

Well it looks like Wall has reached the point where he can get away with a 47% TS on 40% usage game with 7 TO's and have people think he played well.

This season Wall became the most overrated player among stars. Wizards are winning because of Thomas inability on defense, so it's easy to ignore John's inefficiency and focus on his nice box score numbers (which actually aren't that nice anymore in this series).

[Rapcity_11]

Well it looks like Wall has reached the point where he can get away with a 47% TS on 40% usage game with 7 TO's and have people think he played well.

This season Wall became the most overrated player among stars. Wizards are winning because of Thomas inability on defense, so it's easy to ignore John's inefficiency and focus on his nice box score numbers (which actually aren't that nice anymore in this series).

He has been pretty amazing so far this playoffs though. Just think it was funny how much love he was getting for that game 4 performance.

[ardee]

29-4-11 in the Playoffs so far...

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[Krodis]

I mean, at best I think he's 5th amongst point guards this year behind Harden/Westbrook/Curry/Paul.

As well as he's played in the playoffs, I'm still somewhat skeptical of just how high his impact is.

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[koogiking]

I feel he's better than Chris Paul

[nate33]

Well it looks like Wall has reached the point where he can get away with a 47% TS on 40% usage game with 7 TO's and have people think he played well.

12 assists, 5 steals, 1 block and a +25 point differential might have had something to do with it. Wall finished with an ORtg of 102, which is only slightly worse than league average, so it's not like he was a huge negative offensively. Overall, it wasn't a great game, but it wasn't a really bad game either.

[montestewart]

True story:

I am about John's age, and I played against him in high school. I sucked. My team sucked. John obviously did not suck, and neither did his team.

Anyway, it's the third or fourth quarter and we're down by at least 20 points. Our coach calls a timeout and says, "We may not win, but we'll show them that we're not intimidated. Get out there, get in a defensive stance, slap the floor, and yell 'Chargers!'"

Our team walks out, petrified at how stupid we're about to look. Of course I have the responsibility of guarding John. He's bringing the ball up, and so we do our thing. We slap the floor and yell "Chargers!"

The whole gym goes silent. All you can hear is crickets. All of a sudden, some dude off of their bench goes yells, "Hey John! Break that white boy's ankles!"

John looks me dead in the eye and just goes, "Nah". Passes to his teammate. By now I've already **** my pants, but I'm so relieved.

For that, he has always been one of my favorite players. Go Wizards.

Ha! Just noticed this great story and reposted it in the John Wall Appreciation Thread - Part III over on the Wizards board. Thanks!

Honestly, being down by 20 to a John Wall-led team at the high school level doesn't really sound that bad.

[Rapcity_11]

Well it looks like Wall has reached the point where he can get away with a 47% TS on 40% usage game with 7 TO's and have people think he played well.

12 assists, 5 steals, 1 block and a +25 point differential might have had something to do with it. Wall finished with an ORtg of 102, which is only slightly worse than league average, so it's not like he was a huge negative offensively. Overall, it wasn't a great game, but it wasn't a really bad game either.

Never said it was really bad. My point was just to comment on how recent performance and winning bias influence things way more than they should.

[Colbinii]

Well it looks like Wall has reached the point where he can get away with a 47% TS on 40% usage game with 7 TO's and have people think he played well.

12 assists, 5 steals, 1 block and a +25 point differential might have had something to do with it. Wall finished with an ORtg of 102, which is only slightly worse than league average, so it's not like he was a huge negative offensively. Overall, it wasn't a great game, but it wasn't a really bad game either.

You are looking at individual Offensive Rating, which is a piss poor statistic that is not the same as team offensive rating.

[picc]

Second game this series where John had an abysmal first half, and then went absolutely ballistic in the 2nd.

[GSP]

I mean, at best I think he's 5th amongst point guards this year behind Harden/Westbrook/Curry/Paul.

As well as he's played in the playoffs, I'm still somewhat skeptical of just how high his impact is.

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He has a good case for #3 depending on how u weight Cp3s injury/durability issues against him. Id take him over Harden at this point for sure.

[Shanghai Kid]

I sense a strong hesitation for people to want to take the next step with Wall. whoThey don't want to believe that there is an uber athlete who is as good of a passer as Magic Johnson or Steve Nash. And they are comfortable with a Harden vs Westbrook narrative. They would rather attempt to fall in love with James Harden because of his advanced metrics.

Wall's metrics may not add up, but the eye test is so strong with Wall. You literally if focused on the eye test would say this is the best passer in the league and also of one of the best leaders.

I would implore you, open your eyes. Take the leap with Wall. His bball IQ is on the same level as Steve Nash/Jason Kidd. Try to understand that he's just as athletic as Westbrook, his pure talent probably exceeds 99% of the league. But he's not an uber efficient scorer yet..but he makes the shots that counts.

[Shanghai Kid]

I sense a strong hesitation for people to want to take the next step with Wall. whoThey don't want to believe that there is an uber athlete who is as good of a passer as Magic Johnson or Steve Nash. And they are comfortable with a Harden vs Westbrook narrative. They would rather attempt to fall in love with James Harden because of his advanced metrics.

Wall's metrics may not add up, but the eye test is so strong with Wall. You literally if focused on the eye test would say this is the best passer in the league and also of one of the best leaders.

I would implore you, open your eyes. Take the leap with Wall. His bball IQ is on the same level as Steve Nash/Jason Kidd. Try to understand that he's just as athletic as Westbrook, his pure talent probably exceeds 99% of the league. But he's not an uber efficient scorer yet..but he makes the shots that counts.

[lorak]

. Id take him over Harden at this point for sure.

Why?

BTW, Wall shots 40.6% from the field (23.0 FGA) and 32.4% from three vs Celtics. His defense outside of some highlight plays is also below average.

[RightToCensor]

Remember when people called Eric Bledsoe "Mini Lebron", I think Wall has earned the right to that nickname. He's just so fast going up the court at 6'4", he's literally a one-man fast break that can find ways to finish or get to the line while giving him maximum effort on defense. If Scott Brooks learns how to rest John Wall properly and preserve his body for the playoffs then he might actually make Cleveland sweat on a year-by-year basis.

[picc]

Well.

This is not where I wanted this to go. But he had a very, very bad game tonight. Couldn't finish at the rim effectively over Boston's' gang contests, and shot terribly from the perimeter. Just bad. *sigh*

[RCM88x]

I think he tired himself out in the first half and 3rd quarter, combined with Celtics improving their defense on him in the 2nd half he just had nothing left in the tank.

This is kind of my fear with him, his inability to score off the dribble is a severe limiting factor for not only him but any team he plays on. It's not like this is something he can fix overnight either.

It's kind of a hard position to be in, there isn't much more you can do other than get better players around him and hope Beal continues to improve and stay healthy.

[lorak]

So Wall ended the series with 39.8 FG% (23.0 FGA) and 28.6 3P% (6.0 3PA), what quite well shows how his shooting limitations were exposed. I think also his defense was much worse than impressive defensive stats suggest. How many times Bradley cut to the basket and scored, because Wall was ball watching?

IMO he definitely isn't top 10 player (and clearly below top tier PGs) and I would still seriously consider someone like Lowry as better.

[Bergmaniac]

Well.

This is not where I wanted this to go. But he had a very, very bad game tonight. Couldn't finish at the rim effectively over Boston's' gang contests, and shot terribly from the perimeter. Just bad. *sigh*

His defense was terrible too. The last quarter especially. This was mostly tiredness, but he looked pretty bad on that end in the other quarters too.

The Wizards need to find a proper backup for him. Jennings is terrible and one of the dumbest players in the league and Brooks clearly doesn't trust Satoransky.

[HeartBreakKid]

I don't think we should ignore that wall tore up Atlanta and was scoring off the dribble

He was defended quite well in the Boston series, I think most point guards wouldn't have great numbers in his position either


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