Marcus Smart

Celts17Pride · Post #781 » by **Celts17Pride** » Tue May 9, 2017 2:38 pm

ddb wrote:Marcus Smart is fine. He played fine last night. Not his best game, not his worst.

Marcus Smart is extremely overrated in this forum. Should be moved over the summer

ddb · Post #782 » by **ddb** » Tue May 9, 2017 4:30 pm

I'm a big Smart supporter, but I've been really disappointed with his performance against the Wizards.

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Patsfan81 · Post #783 » by **Patsfan81** » Tue May 9, 2017 4:35 pm

If the C's lose the series I'm hoping that will be the last time I see Smart in a Celtics uniform. Rozier clearly has more upside than Smart. Smart has plateaued at age 23. He is what he is - bench defensive stopper averaging 15MPG max.

BRUNiNHO91 · Post #784 » by **BRUNiNHO91** » Tue May 9, 2017 4:37 pm

He looks a lot bigger than he was when he came in. Fatter I mean. Slower and less lift too. Idk if it's just me that noticed that..maybe I'm wrong.

Patsfan81 · Post #785 » by **Patsfan81** » Tue May 9, 2017 4:40 pm

BRUNiNHO91 wrote:He looks a lot bigger than he was when he came in. Fatter I mean. Slower and less lift too. Idk if it's just me that noticed that..maybe I'm wrong.

You're not wrong. He's a slow footed fatty with who should be playing football not basketball.

BRUNiNHO91 · Post #786 » by **BRUNiNHO91** » Tue May 9, 2017 4:43 pm

Patsfan81 wrote:If the C's lose the series I'm hoping that will be the last time I see Smart in a Celtics uniform. Rozier clearly has more upside than Smart. Smart has plateaued at age 23. He is what he is - bench defensive stopper averaging 15MPG max.

He looks like he misses Evan Turner the most. Evan Turned really led that 2nd unit with his ball handling and creating ability. Smart doesn't have the same skills to fill in for that.

Patsfan81 · Post #787 » by **Patsfan81** » Tue May 9, 2017 4:48 pm

BRUNiNHO91 wrote:
Patsfan81 wrote:If the C's lose the series I'm hoping that will be the last time I see Smart in a Celtics uniform. Rozier clearly has more upside than Smart. Smart has plateaued at age 23. He is what he is - bench defensive stopper averaging 15MPG max.

He looks like he misses Evan Turner the most. Evan Turned really led that 2nd unit with his ball handling and creating ability. Smart doesn't have the same skills to fill in for that.

Exactly. This year proved to me anyways that he's not the leader of the 2nd unit. It was all said and done for me when he unleashed on Jaylen Brown and Brad didn't do a thing.

Celts17Pride · Post #788 » by **Celts17Pride** » Tue May 9, 2017 6:25 pm

Patsfan81 wrote:If the C's lose the series I'm hoping that will be the last time I see Smart in a Celtics uniform. Rozier clearly has more upside than Smart. Smart has plateaued at age 23. He is what he is - bench defensive stopper averaging 15MPG max.

That really isn't a stopper. Who exactly has he stopped?

Smart value is he can switch and play some small and power forwards

Smart is going to have 1 good game out of a dozen and most people on this board will be screaming this is why you don't trade Marcus Smart while completely ignoring the other 11 games

BRUNiNHO91 · Post #789 » by **BRUNiNHO91** » Tue May 9, 2017 8:02 pm

Patsfan81 wrote:
BRUNiNHO91 wrote:
Patsfan81 wrote:If the C's lose the series I'm hoping that will be the last time I see Smart in a Celtics uniform. Rozier clearly has more upside than Smart. Smart has plateaued at age 23. He is what he is - bench defensive stopper averaging 15MPG max.

He looks like he misses Evan Turner the most. Evan Turned really led that 2nd unit with his ball handling and creating ability. Smart doesn't have the same skills to fill in for that.

Exactly. This year proved to me anyways that he's not the leader of the 2nd unit. It was all said and done for me when he unleashed on Jaylen Brown and Brad didn't do a thing.

I have no issues with the Jaylen thing. It happens. But he is no leader obviously. Nobody on the Celtics roster is at the end of the day. Not even Isaiah or Horford. Smart is Tony Allen basically..it's not what you want from a 6th pick but it is what it is. Once we use him in his proper role as a 25mpg balls to the wall defender 3rd offensive option off the bench he will be at his best.

Post #790 » by **SmartWentCrazy** » Tue May 9, 2017 8:57 pm

1) he's playing like no ones home between the ears right now. Or like hes concussed. He's clearly just not processing the game quickly right now. Wouldn't be shocked at all if he got a concussion in game 1 when he smacked his head off the floor.

2) my problems with Smart are so beyond the recent sloppy play. It's the fact that the offense constantly runs through him when he's in. He calls for the ball regularly and gets pissy when people look him off. He's always getting the ball in the post or at the top of the key and it's mind blowing. A guy this offensively limited should not be afforded the rope to hang himself time after time.

Fencer reregistered · Post #791 » by **Fencer reregistered** » Wed May 10, 2017 8:07 am

I don't mind his shot selection; with other guys (rightly or wrongly) afraid to shoot, the shots become his by default. In fact, his 3-pt shooting has been fairly OK even without context, so when you consider context it's been fine. (5-15 vs. Was, after 10-26 vs. Chi) But he's shooting 4-13 on 2-pters vs. Wash, is bricking FTs, had that horrible 8-TO game, and generally has looked terrible for a while, the 3 steals/3 blocks in Game 1 of this series notwithstanding.

nbalive2005 · Post #792 » by **nbalive2005** » Wed May 10, 2017 9:33 am

On offense, Smart cannot stay on the same side of the ball as IT. It makes it too easy for the defense to defend one pass away and it leads to poor spacing and those momentum swinging turnovers

People say that Smart improved his playmaking, but it is still woefully bad.

Smart on the pick and roll is hilariously weak.

He can't turn the corner against his man. He can't stop and pop to make a semi-open 17 footer.

The only thing he can do is make a pocket pass, the thing is, I saw Wall go all the way from the weakside and sprint to Smart's pick and roll and steal the bounce pass because it's so obvious. Smart is too limited and defenses are keying into it and making us pay for it

On defense, Smart is undeniably very talented and can guard smalls and bigs, however my eyes tell me that Bradley is a better defender. I see Bradley making reads on picks and icing the screener while Smart doesn't anticipate them as well.

FlatearthZorro · Post #793 » by **FlatearthZorro** » Wed May 10, 2017 9:46 am

SmartWentCrazy wrote:1) he's playing like no ones home between the ears right now. Or like hes concussed. He's clearly just not processing the game quickly right now. Wouldn't be shocked at all if he got a concussion in game 1 when he smacked his head off the floor.

2) my problems with Smart are so beyond the recent sloppy play. It's the fact that the offense constantly runs through him when he's in. He calls for the ball regularly and gets pissy when people look him off. He's always getting the ball in the post or at the top of the key and it's mind blowing. A guy this offensively limited should not be afforded the rope to hang himself time after time.

Sadly, Brad has done nothing. I mean enough is enough if I'm Brad if you can't make any shots make plays for your teammates. And yes regardless of what happens here I hope Smart gets traded unless he gets to shoot at least .400 from the field which seems like it's not happening.

Also agree with people that Terry has a ton more talent he's just a ridiculous athlete and a much better shooter than Marcus. When he's in rhythm his game is so smooth.

Green89 · Post #794 » by **Green89** » Wed May 10, 2017 10:57 am

The more shots he gets, the better the opposing coach likes the game. They get up in other guy's faces with the intention of getting us to pass to Smart. That's part of their defensive plan. In the words of Admiral Ackbar, "it's a trap!"

Romeiro Celtic · Post #795 » by **Romeiro Celtic** » Wed May 10, 2017 11:34 am

I really like Smart, he defense is great and he has a great effort to get to be a better player, but he has been killing us some games that we should trade him this summer.

Fidel Sarcasmo · Post #796 » by **Fidel Sarcasmo** » Wed May 10, 2017 12:14 pm

If Smart can't evolve into a reliable shooter, he's ultimately a detriment in the playoffs for years to come. Yes, he effects winning as Brad and Danny say, however, all those game saving plays he makes late in the 4th quarters wouldnt become game saving plays if he was a better shooter. They would then become icing on the cake cause we'd already be up 4 or 5 pts when he blocks or steals the ball. But he saves games when we are down 2 late in the game or tied. I think about it that way. Should've chose the NFL. He's not a shooter and doesn't look like he'll ever get it down.

Patsfan81 · Post #797 » by **Patsfan81** » Wed May 10, 2017 4:00 pm

I think at this point they are just showcasing him to be traded which is why all the minutes he's been getting all season. Unfortunately, he's improved nothing at all significantly other than FT%. He's getting his minutes purely on being drafted #6 and management is hoping he'd improve which he hasn't. If we do land a guard in the draft which is highly likely IMO than it's adios Marcus Smart. Don't let the door hit you on the way out. I wanna see what Terry can do getting 30MPG. He'll put up way better than numbers and probably average almost 10 boards per game which we need badly. Plus he can shoot the ball unlike that bricklayer Smart.

Post #798 » by **Slartibartfast** » Wed May 10, 2017 4:18 pm

Smart has many issues but he's getting waaay too much blame for our struggles in the Wizards series. He had one awful game in Game 3 (he was by no means alone in his awfulness either), but other than that he's been pretty much his normal self - a wildly inefficient but clutchish 3-point bomber with weak playmaking ability who makes all kinds of defensive plays.

He's a plus overall for the playoffs and has been positive or nearly so in 3/4 games this series.

Contrast with IT, Horford, AB and, especially, Amir who have been consistently negative for both series.

shawn unkempt · Post #799 » by **shawn unkempt** » Wed May 10, 2017 5:43 pm

Smart plays like a second rounder that has been a little bit of a pleasant surprise, overcoming the odds and finding a niche for himself to stick around in the league. Except he was a 6th pick.

Post #800 » by **ParticleMan** » Wed May 10, 2017 5:54 pm

yeah marcus is getting unfairly killed here.

he's the kind of guy that when nobody else is doing **** he will take it upon himself to try and right the ship. but he isn't capable of doing that, and he shouldn't be put in that position. he wouldn't be if the rest of the team didn't turtle up in games 3+4. he was far from the only guy who was atrocious.

this hasn't been a good showing for marcus. but he's getting too much of the blame here. he's not supposed to be our go-to guy, 6th pick or not.