Zach Collins

BlazersBroncos · Post #101 » by **BlazersBroncos** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 7:03 pm

I really want Portland to deal up for him. He is the ideal backup big for Vonleh and Nurkic.

ThatBoyNick · Post #102 » by **ThatBoyNick** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 2:36 pm

I personally think the best comparison for him would be Miles Turner

Size, athleticism, rebounding, shot blocking, soft touch in the paint, developing 3pt shot.

The-Power · Post #103 » by **The-Power** » Wed Apr 19, 2017 6:31 pm

ThatBoyNick wrote:I personally think the best comparison for him would be Miles Turner

Size, athleticism, rebounding, shot blocking, soft touch in the paint, developing 3pt shot.

I would be shocked if Collins doesn't turn out to be a superior rebounder to be honest.

EvanZ · Post #104 » by **EvanZ** » Wed Apr 19, 2017 7:02 pm

Myles Turner is a unicorn that should have been a top 5 pick. He's one of only two NCAA players since 2009 to shoot > 80% from the line and have a block rate > 10%. The only other one? KAT.

Collins is lucky if he's a better version of Cody Zeller.

BlazersBroncos · Post #105 » by **BlazersBroncos** » Wed Apr 19, 2017 7:08 pm

He isn't as fluid as Myles, but he is certainly a better athlete than Cody Zeller, who averaged 1.2 and 1.3 blocks in nearly 30mpg at Indiana. Collins was at 1.8 with only 17.3mpg. The passing numbers from Collins scare me (0.4apg), but there is a TON to like.

I don't think Raef LaFrentz is a bad comparison. Young Raef was a really, really good player. Not someone you wanted as a top three guy on your team, but a elite complimentary piece. Take Denver era LaFrentz and put him as the #4 option on a elite squad and he would be very well know these days still IMO.

RipCity71252 · Post #106 » by **RipCity71252** » Wed Apr 19, 2017 7:13 pm

Yeah, I don't think there is a great size+athleticism+skillset comparison out there for Collins.

He has some Turner in him but doesn't have the same frame or length. He's also not the elite fluid and flexible athlete that Zeller is. If we are going with current NBA players, he's like a mash-up of Meyers Leonard/Cody Zeller/Myles Turner imo.

Ultimately, I see him as a guy that's not ever top 5 at his position on either end, but good enough on both to be a quality starter.

zzaj · Post #107 » by **zzaj** » Wed Apr 19, 2017 7:20 pm

So what are we guessing ZC is looking at in the NBA...depending on situation of, of course.

6/7/1 as a rookie? Maybe 14/9.5/1.8 career? It's hard for me to put him any higher or lower than that.

EvanZ · Post #108 » by **EvanZ** » Wed Apr 19, 2017 7:24 pm

I do think he's likely the only starting center in this Draft, but not guaranteed.

Post #109 » by **Slartibartfast** » Wed May 10, 2017 8:50 pm

EvanZ wrote:Myles Turner is a unicorn that should have been a top 5 pick. He's one of only two NCAA players since 2009 to shoot > 80% from the line and have a block rate > 10%. The only other one? KAT.

Collins is lucky if he's a better version of Cody Zeller.

Collins' block rate was 9.8% and his FT% 74%. He merits the Turner comp (and I was driving the Turner hype train in the 2015 draft).

I think you can make a case for him anywhere from 4-10.

Old Man Game · Post #110 » by **Old Man Game** » Wed May 10, 2017 11:20 pm

I'm normally a proponent of players getting paid as soon as possible but he's one of the few guys I wish would have stayed in school. Would have loved to have seen what he'd have looked like shouldering additional burden next season. I thought he looked really good in the tournament what little that's worth.

Post #111 » by **GimmeDat** » Thu May 11, 2017 1:29 am

Slartibartfast wrote:
EvanZ wrote:Myles Turner is a unicorn that should have been a top 5 pick. He's one of only two NCAA players since 2009 to shoot > 80% from the line and have a block rate > 10%. The only other one? KAT.

Collins is lucky if he's a better version of Cody Zeller.

Collins' block rate was 9.8% and his FT% 74%. He merits the Turner comp (and I was driving the Turner hype train in the 2015 draft).

I think you can make a case for him anywhere from 4-10.

I like the confidence and I agree, he deserves love that high. He's only going to keep rising.

doordoor123 · Post #112 » by **doordoor123** » Thu May 11, 2017 1:34 am

GimmeDat wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote:
EvanZ wrote:Myles Turner is a unicorn that should have been a top 5 pick. He's one of only two NCAA players since 2009 to shoot > 80% from the line and have a block rate > 10%. The only other one? KAT.

Collins is lucky if he's a better version of Cody Zeller.

Collins' block rate was 9.8% and his FT% 74%. He merits the Turner comp (and I was driving the Turner hype train in the 2015 draft).

I think you can make a case for him anywhere from 4-10.

I like the confidence and I agree, he deserves love that high. He's only going to keep rising.

I have a such a strong feeling Thibs will love him. I think he's going to the Timberwolves.

The_Hater · Post #113 » by **The_Hater** » Thu May 11, 2017 4:34 pm

Collins looks like a modern era big man. A little rim protection, a little mobility for perimeter defense, a little inside scoring and the potential to be a 3 point shooter.

No-Man · Post #114 » by **No-Man** » Thu May 11, 2017 6:12 pm

combine numbers are pretty meh, below avg length, slim and not in top shape, which was obvious and could mean that he might be even better with a proper training and smallish hands.

Ettorefm · Post #115 » by **Ettorefm** » Thu May 11, 2017 6:43 pm

Collins screams role player. It's like teams never learn that picking the Cody Zeller's, Kelly Olynyk's and Frank Kaminsky in the lottery never change any franchise.

Shoot for the stars. You can sign a Zach Collins dude every offseason. What can he bring overall (not specific skills) that Kris Humphries or Brandon Bass can't?

And people are considering drafting him top 10?

WalterBenjamin · Post #116 » by **WalterBenjamin** » Thu May 11, 2017 6:44 pm

He still has an understanding for protecting the rim so i don't thing it is such a big deal. He will need time to develope but the potential is still there. And also this draft outside of the lottery is just not that deep. Don't see him falling.

Ettorefm · Post #117 » by **Ettorefm** » Thu May 11, 2017 6:48 pm

WalterBenjamin wrote:He still has an understanding for protecting the rim so i don't thing it is such a big deal. He will need time to develope but the potential is still there. And also this draft outside of the lottery is just not that deep. Don't see him falling.

Why not go for high risk, high reward guys like Giles, Ferguson, Motley, John collins or Anunoby if you're sure that he's never going to be anything other than a nice player?

No-Man · Post #118 » by **No-Man** » Thu May 11, 2017 6:53 pm

Ettorefm wrote:
WalterBenjamin wrote:He still has an understanding for protecting the rim so i don't thing it is such a big deal. He will need time to develope but the potential is still there. And also this draft outside of the lottery is just not that deep. Don't see him falling.

Why not go for high risk, high reward guys like Giles, Ferguson, Motley, John collins or Anunoby if you're sure that he's never going to be anything other than a nice player?

Anunoby sure, what gives you any insight about those other guys having any high reward?

WalterBenjamin · Post #119 » by **WalterBenjamin** » Thu May 11, 2017 6:57 pm

John Collins? The T-Rex guy? How in the world will he become a starter in the NBA? Giles will rise or fall based on medical. If u know his knees are bad you just don't pick him. Not that he has ani special feel for the game. Ferguson ok I would consider. Motley not good on D. You are still talking about guys who will play the 5 other than Ferguson. I don't see them as better prospects than Collins for that position. I am not saying Collins should be the 10 pick. But a lottery one for sure. Butt I imagine ther will be a lot of trade down talks afther the 10 pick or soe.

No-Man · Post #120 » by **No-Man** » Thu May 11, 2017 7:02 pm

I think Zach belongs in the late lotto-top20 range, he is totally fine there, Cody Zeller would go somewhere in the late top10 in a re-draft of his class, which was really weak, a potentially similar player, with less agility but potentially able to shoot it, can certainly be worth of a pick in that area.