Luka Doncic

[Ettorefm]

Luka is ALREADY ahead of Goran in passing and rebounding

Just...I mean...

The FIBA Hall of Fame seems to have a much higher standard than the Basketball Hall of Fame,

[pacersGM]

Luka is ALREADY ahead of Goran in passing and rebounding

Just...I mean...

The FIBA Hall of Fame seems to have a much higher standard than the Basketball Hall of Fame,

Yep. I dont know what to say neither

[pacersGM]

Luka is ALREADY ahead of Goran in passing and rebounding

it really is funny, since your mentioned this quote, how reality and perceptions get skewed when hype is involved.

to every one who thinks doncic getting or even worse already beeing better then dragic in most aspects of the game. please look at this clip in the whole. just look at it. here is goran outdooing a 2 time nba mvp, the personification of todays fast, 3pt , drive & kick exciting nba.

Watch on YouTube

you say thats one game. not true, cause the next game probably westbrook was waiting, or chris paul, or john wall, and goran still averaged 20 points during 82 games!

so for the guy ranking dragic below teodosic, spanoulis, diamantidis, and lull?! are you normal man? and BEST players doesnt mean player with most WINS or TITLES. if that was the case, we are having robert horry walking along MJ and non sense like that.

so lull, diamantidis and such can polish dragics shoes for what its worth. they could hang on for a few games they would be great, but they wouldnt hold the full 82, believe me. diamantidis in the nba? what is he there? the slowest, average strong PG, or the slowest swingman in the nba, or once again the shelter for slow, white guys with good vision - "THE POINT FORWARD?"

[burek3]

Rising Star Trophy: Madrid's Doncic is unanimous winner: http://www.euroleague.net/news/i/7ssonijxmjl9vexx

[Bob8]

Luka is ALREADY ahead of Goran in passing and rebounding

it really is funny, since your mentioned this quote, how reality and perceptions get skewed when hype is involved.

to every one who thinks doncic getting or even worse already beeing better then dragic in most aspects of the game. please look at this clip in the whole. just look at it. here is goran outdooing a 2 time nba mvp, the personification of todays fast, 3pt , drive & kick exciting nba.

Watch on YouTube

you say thats one game. not true, cause the next game probably westbrook was waiting, or chris paul, or john wall, and goran still averaged 20 points during 82 games!

so for the guy ranking dragic below teodosic, spanoulis, diamantidis, and lull?! are you normal man? and BEST players doesnt mean player with most WINS or TITLES. if that was the case, we are having robert horry walking along MJ and non sense like that.

so lull, diamantidis and such can polish dragics shoes for what its worth. they could hang on for a few games they would be great, but they wouldnt hold the full 82, believe me. diamantidis in the nba? what is he there? the slowest, average strong PG, or the slowest swingman in the nba, or once again the shelter for slow, white guys with good vision - "THE POINT FORWARD?"

It will be interesting to see the best Pg/Sg from Europe in last 20 years to play in Eurobasket. I expect Dragic will easy be the best scorer and player of Eurobasket. He should dominate Teo and Llull and maybe Doncic as a rookie will really polish Dragics shoes.

[pacersGM]

Well if fiba europe or whoever runs this decides and wants to be watchable, and it cancels the camp inside the lane for 24 if i like, then im shure goran would be eating those european mozarts. I mean, since its played in the great european rule system. Well, the greek freak isnt made for this great euro sheme also, but im shure he wont loose sleep on it since he will be a getting 200 mil soon, and be the face pf the nba. But im shure people will have their heroes who will win many importaint titles in the second best league also. so enjoy the meaningful eurobasket by the way, who were the eruobasket champs in recent years? Hmm dont remember , probably because it really doesnt mean much

[pacersGM]

Luka is ALREADY ahead of Goran in passing and rebounding

it really is funny, since your mentioned this quote, how reality and perceptions get skewed when hype is involved.

to every one who thinks doncic getting or even worse already beeing better then dragic in most aspects of the game. please look at this clip in the whole. just look at it. here is goran outdooing a 2 time nba mvp, the personification of todays fast, 3pt , drive & kick exciting nba.

Watch on YouTube

you say thats one game. not true, cause the next game probably westbrook was waiting, or chris paul, or john wall, and goran still averaged 20 points during 82 games!

so for the guy ranking dragic below teodosic, spanoulis, diamantidis, and lull?! are you normal man? and BEST players doesnt mean player with most WINS or TITLES. if that was the case, we are having robert horry walking along MJ and non sense like that.

so lull, diamantidis and such can polish dragics shoes for what its worth. they could hang on for a few games they would be great, but they wouldnt hold the full 82, believe me. diamantidis in the nba? what is he there? the slowest, average strong PG, or the slowest swingman in the nba, or once again the shelter for slow, white guys with good vision - "THE POINT FORWARD?"

It will be interesting to see the best Pg/Sg from Europe in last 20 years to play in Eurobasket. I expect Dragic will easy be the best scorer and player of Eurobasket. He should dominate Teo and Llull and maybe Doncic as a rookie will really polish Dragics shoes.

Goran wont dominate as the euro game is not made that way. No player really will. But if you think he will be asking teodosic for an autograph, then think again . Plus i see where that bad national pride comes from in slovenia, while discussing two at least equal players in dragic and teodosic, you decide dragic is somekind of schoolboy for the supposety virtuoso teodosic interesting indeed

[peja_the_legend]

It will be interesting to see the best Pg/Sg from Europe in last 20 years to play in Eurobasket. I expect Dragic will easy be the best scorer and player of Eurobasket. He should dominate Teo and Llull and maybe Doncic as a rookie will really polish Dragics shoes.

It'll be definitely interesting to see how Donic will cope in this competition where he wont play along Jc Caroll or Ayon,but Domen Lorbek,Gasper Vidmar and the rest scrubs that comprise current Slovenian NT..Thankfully for him he'll have the second best european point guard of the last 15 years after Tony Parker besides him,aka Goran Dragic

[narcolepsy]

Actually there are talks Anthony Randolph might play for Slovenia this Eurobasket. That would be a huge upgrade for Slovenian NT, as there's currently not much talent at PF/C spot. Hopefully they manage to convince him to play for a few years, so Doncic will have at least one competent teammate after Dragic retires.

Why did this thread turn into Dragic vs other european guards?

[soulzen]

Actually there are talks Anthony Randolph might play for Slovenia this Eurobasket. That would be a huge upgrade for Slovenian NT, as there's currently not much talent at PF/C spot. Hopefully they manage to convince him to play for a few years, so Doncic will have at least one competent teammate after Dragic retires.

Why did this thread turn into Dragic vs other european guards?

Nachbar might come out of the NT retirement too, at least I read something about it. Old Nachbar is still better than Edo Muric or 20 year old tooth pick Vlatko Cancar in my opinion.

[Bob8]

it really is funny, since your mentioned this quote, how reality and perceptions get skewed when hype is involved.

to every one who thinks doncic getting or even worse already beeing better then dragic in most aspects of the game. please look at this clip in the whole. just look at it. here is goran outdooing a 2 time nba mvp, the personification of todays fast, 3pt , drive & kick exciting nba.

Watch on YouTube

you say thats one game. not true, cause the next game probably westbrook was waiting, or chris paul, or john wall, and goran still averaged 20 points during 82 games!

so for the guy ranking dragic below teodosic, spanoulis, diamantidis, and lull?! are you normal man? and BEST players doesnt mean player with most WINS or TITLES. if that was the case, we are having robert horry walking along MJ and non sense like that.

so lull, diamantidis and such can polish dragics shoes for what its worth. they could hang on for a few games they would be great, but they wouldnt hold the full 82, believe me. diamantidis in the nba? what is he there? the slowest, average strong PG, or the slowest swingman in the nba, or once again the shelter for slow, white guys with good vision - "THE POINT FORWARD?"

It will be interesting to see the best Pg/Sg from Europe in last 20 years to play in Eurobasket. I expect Dragic will easy be the best scorer and player of Eurobasket. He should dominate Teo and Llull and maybe Doncic as a rookie will really polish Dragics shoes.

Goran wont dominate as the euro game is not made that way. No player really will. But if you think he will be asking teodosic for an autograph, then think again . Plus i see where that bad national pride comes from in slovenia, while discussing two at least equal players in dragic and teodosic, you decide dragic is somekind of schoolboy for the supposety virtuoso teodosic interesting indeed

I would expect the best Pg/sg in Europe since Drazen to be easily the best player in Eurobasket. Wouldn't you? On the other hand we can't expect much from 18 years old kid with slow feet. Let's say something like 5.4/3.8/2.1. in 25.4 minutes should be his ceiling.

[UcanUwill]

Actually there are talks Anthony Randolph might play for Slovenia this Eurobasket. That would be a huge upgrade for Slovenian NT, as there's currently not much talent at PF/C spot. Hopefully they manage to convince him to play for a few years, so Doncic will have at least one competent teammate after Dragic retires.

Why did this thread turn into Dragic vs other european guards?

Wow, I really hope that doesnt happen, I hate stuff like this.

[UcanUwill]

By the way, Goran Dragic is a beast and would found a way to dominate Euro ball for sure. He was always held back by his below average 3 point shot in all of the Eurobaskets, but he improved his shot tremendously.

[pacersGM]

It will be interesting to see the best Pg/Sg from Europe in last 20 years to play in Eurobasket. I expect Dragic will easy be the best scorer and player of Eurobasket. He should dominate Teo and Llull and maybe Doncic as a rookie will really polish Dragics shoes.

Goran wont dominate as the euro game is not made that way. No player really will. But if you think he will be asking teodosic for an autograph, then think again . Plus i see where that bad national pride comes from in slovenia, while discussing two at least equal players in dragic and teodosic, you decide dragic is somekind of schoolboy for the supposety virtuoso teodosic interesting indeed

I would expect the best Pg/sg in Europe since Drazen to be easily the best player in Eurobasket. Wouldn't you? On the other hand we can't expect much from 18 years old kid with slow feet. Let's say something like 5.4/3.8/2.1. in 25.4 minutes should be his ceiling.

Well, will i wake the gods if i say that doncic wont average more pts ass and reb in the eurobasket then he does now? :O

Dragic is a point guard, drazen & dragic on same level grew in your head not mine and. No im not a dragic lover, but a hype hater. All my dragic points are, that doncic has alot of work to do if he wants to come close to goran or even surpass him. Wich according to some here, has already happened in most of the games skills

[Bob8]

Goran wont dominate as the euro game is not made that way. No player really will. But if you think he will be asking teodosic for an autograph, then think again . Plus i see where that bad national pride comes from in slovenia, while discussing two at least equal players in dragic and teodosic, you decide dragic is somekind of schoolboy for the supposety virtuoso teodosic interesting indeed

I would expect the best Pg/sg in Europe since Drazen to be easily the best player in Eurobasket. Wouldn't you? On the other hand we can't expect much from 18 years old kid with slow feet. Let's say something like 5.4/3.8/2.1. in 25.4minutes should be his ceiling.

Well, will i wake the gods if i say that doncic wont average more pts ass and reb in the Eurobasket then he does now? :O

Dragic is a point guard, drazen & dragic on same level grew in your head not mine and. No im not a dragic lover, but a hype hater. All my dragic points are, that doncic has alot of work to do if he wants to come close to goran or even surpass him. Wich according to some here, has already happened in most of the games skills

Can you guess who had 5.4/3.8/2.1 in 25.4 minutes in Eurobasket, when he was 21 years old?

[Mirotic12]

Like you said, that probably just seems to you, since you are very biased towards the euroleague. I mean the second best league in the world

FIBA Hall of Fame isn't for EuroLeague. It's for international basketball (which is why it has numerous players in it that never played in EuroLeague, and even ones that only played in NBA). I think I am going to put you on ignore, you keep trying to antagonize me for no reason.

On another note, some people in this thread jumped on me when I said Dragic isn't a candidate for EuroLeague MVP and not even for All-EuroLeague Team. Well, he didn't make All-EuroLeague Team (and obvious then can't be MVP), so yeah.

Some people here need to tone down the hyperbole with the level Doncic is currently at in Europe. All of this "best guard in Europe", "best player in Europe", "best player in Real Madrid" stuff is definitely over the top right now.

[pacersGM]

Do as you please. I just dont feel your enthusiasm towards euroleague or fiba basketball, where you kinda want to put its players in a equal position as the ones in the nba, but you still know enough abouth the game of basketball that you know you cant do that. But you still try from time to time. With those >bodiroga>spanoulis>teodosic>diamantidis>lull, probabl even a jaycee carroll> dragic

I dont have any ill will towards enybody here, but i do, as i have the right, give my 2 cents on the topic. If that rubs you the wrong way, too bad.

[pacersGM]

Like you said, that probably just seems to you, since you are very biased towards the euroleague. I mean the second best league in the world

FIBA Hall of Fame isn't for EuroLeague. It's for international basketball (which is why it has numerous players in it that never played in EuroLeague, and even ones that only played in NBA). I think I am going to put you on ignore, you keep trying to antagonize me for no reason.

On another note, some people in this thread jumped on me when I said Dragic isn't a candidate for EuroLeague MVP and not even for All-EuroLeague Team. Well, he didn't make All-EuroLeague Team (and obvious then can't be MVP), so yeah.

Some people here need to tone down the hyperbole with the level Doncic is currently at in Europe. All of this "best guard in Europe", "best player in Europe", "best player in Real Madrid" stuff is definitely over the top right now.

I dont understand in what combination people would consider or see goran dragic as an euroleague mvp candidate?

[Ettorefm]

Some people live in such a bubble it's unbelievable. Years, decades of being ostracized and ignored has turned a large group of fans into irrational homers.

Also, and I don't mean to disrespect anyone, but any league in which a guy who CLEARLY is the best player overall would not be even close to having elite impact because of the rules,style of play, handchecking, court measurements...probably needs to change a little, and it's not really something to be taken seriously when talking about level of play..

It increases parity by watering down the impact of elite players. I mean, if you put an NBA All-star in a crappy Spanish league team and he wouldn't simply be the clear cut MVP and elite player, congrats on having an awful product. If you stop amazing players from being able to provide amazing value because dudes can simply take guys down, hold them, there isn't much space, they don't get calls, the court is smaller...how is that a good thing?

I don't doubt that some underrated Euroleague players could be amazing in the NBA, it's actually quite possible, including Doncic, whom I like despite all the criticism. That's not proof that the Euroleague is 'tougher' or 'strong', just that it's a bad product that chooses parity by watering down instead of being a superstar league.

Have you ever played 3 on 3 basketball with people that foul you in every single play and simply stall the game? That's just lame basketball, not 'gritty, tough' basketball. Even dudes who are clearly above average can't impact the result as it should in a game like this, they get taken down, get fouled all the time, there is no flow to the game...

This is why this myth of bad NBA defense is laughable. Defense in the NBA is actually how it should be, a free flowing game with tons of spacing and skill should be more important than bully ball and illegal defense.

[Bob8]

Some people live in such a bubble it's unbelievable. Years, decades of being ostracized and ignored has turned a large group of fans into irrational homers.

Also, and I don't mean to disrespect anyone, but any league in which a guy who CLEARLY is the best player overall would not be even close to having elite impact because of the rules,style of play...probably needs to change a little, and it's not really something to be taken seriously when talking about level of play..

The best player will have elite impact almost anywhere. And for sure he will have elite impact in lesser league. The right question is why would a player who haven't had very big impact in any league or national competition where he had played be even considered to be the best player? Drazen, Bodiroga, Spanoulis, Diamantidis...are all legends, what no one will say for Dragic, when he will finish his career.