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Post#641 » by dirkforpres » Wed May 10, 2017 3:06 pm

Pinkyring wrote:According to mike fisher the mavs love fox and after studying him some i do too. If he had a career like westbrook lite it wouldnt surprise me at all


Fox is going to be good in the NBA.. Mavs would almost assuredly have to trade up 3 or 4 spots to get him though. I'm fine with Smith though.. reminds me a lot of Lillard
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Post#642 » by agentofatlas » Wed May 10, 2017 11:28 pm

Pinkyring wrote:Markannan is nothing like dirk its really a lazy comparison, prime dirk had a very good handle was a good athlete and was pretty quick for his size, markannan at best is ryan anderson he has no handle no in between game and is an old freshman at 20. Thats the last guy i want us to take and i hope he goes before we pick


False. while Markkanen is not as agile or quick as Dirk was, he certainly has handles. Good enough to drive or run a big on big pick and roll. He is not a stiff in that department. As for the Ryan Anderson projection, I don't think that's the right one cause he can do more with the ball. Maybe that's his floor rather than ceiling.
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Post#643 » by JamesConway » Thu May 11, 2017 6:44 am

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Post#644 » by The Sparest » Fri May 12, 2017 6:17 am

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Josh is another player I would like to see Dallas target, if they can trade for another first rounder. Terrance Ferguson, Caleb Swanigan, Jawun Evans, and the Latvian center Pasecniks, are the others I wouldn't mind trading a future first for in this draft.
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Post#645 » by JamesConway » Fri May 12, 2017 10:05 am

Mavs apparently also interviewed Justin Patton per Sefko
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Post#646 » by Devassa » Fri May 12, 2017 12:58 pm

JamesConway wrote:Mavs apparently also interviewed Justin Patton per Sefko


Sounds like they're very interested in trading down just based off the prospects they've visited with so far... also, from what I've read, it seems like the only way Dallas ends up with DSJ is if Markkanen and Ntilikina are off the board at 9. :(
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Post#647 » by JamesConway » Fri May 12, 2017 1:38 pm

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JamesConway wrote:Mavs apparently also interviewed Justin Patton per Sefko


Sounds like they're very interested in trading down just based off the prospects they've visited with so far... also, from what I've read, it seems like the only way Dallas ends up with DSJ is if Markkanen and Ntilikina are off the board at 9. :(

I wouldn't read too much into that, I'm sure we'll have Ntilikina, Isaac and a bunch of other guys that are projected in the top 10 in town for workouts. Most of those prospects simply weren't at the Combine. I think out of the top 10 it's been only Fox and Fultz, the rest didn't attend.

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Per Sefko:

- Donnie and Rick are leading the Mavs' at the Combine for scouting purposes

- prior to the draft Donnie and other 'staffers' will head over to Europe to talk to Ntilikina among others

- it will be one of two trips to Europe they'll make before the draft with the first one being before they start bringing players in for individual workouts (aka pretty soon) and the second one later in June

- according to 'scources' the Mavs are likely to keep the pick instead of moving it for a player that can help now regardless of where they select as there is 'no turning back' from the youth movement 'once it's been started' and the likelyhood of the player they'd be getting in return not being good enough to 'put them over the top'

- as of Thursday afternoon the Mavs had interviews with 16 players at the Combine yet among them players such as Justin Patton, Jonathan Motley, Semi Ojeleye and Dwayne Bacon

- Sefko adds that those players are 'clearly' none they'd target at#9 but views them as targets they have to do their homework on in case they slip into the 2nd round or a team later in the 1st is willing to move its pick

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Edit: So the list of players we know they had interviews with now is:

- Justin Patton

- Jonathan Motley

- Semi Ojeleye

- Dwayne Bacon

- Josh Hart

and they've talked to Hamidou Diallo's former coaches via a different report
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Post#648 » by Devassa » Fri May 12, 2017 1:53 pm

JamesConway wrote:
Devassa wrote:
JamesConway wrote:Mavs apparently also interviewed Justin Patton per Sefko


Sounds like they're very interested in trading down just based off the prospects they've visited with so far... also, from what I've read, it seems like the only way Dallas ends up with DSJ is if Markkanen and Ntilikina are off the board at 9. :(

I wouldn't read too much into that, I'm sure we'll have Ntilikina, Isaac and a bunch of other guys that are projected in the top 10 in town for workouts. Most of those prospects simply weren't at the Combine. I think out of the top 10 it's been only Fox and Fultz, the rest didn't attend.

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Per Sefko:

- Donnie and Rick are leading the Mavs' at the Combine for scouting purposes

- prior to the draft Donnie and other 'staffers' will head over to Europe to talk to Ntilikina among others

- it will be one of two trips to Europe they'll make before the draft with the first one being before they start bringing players in for individual workouts (aka pretty soon) and the second one later in June

- according to 'scources' the Mavs are likely to keep the pick instead of moving it for a player that can help now regardless of where they select as there is 'no turning back' from the youth movement 'once it's been started' and the likelyhood of the player they'd be getting in return not being good enough to 'put them over the top'

- as of Thursday afternoon the Mavs had interviews with 16 players at the Combine yet among them players such as Justin Patton, Jonathan Motley, Semi Ojeleye and Dwayne Bacon

- Sefko adds that those players are 'clearly' none they'd target at#9 but views them as targets they have to do their homework on in case they slip into the 2nd round or a team later in the 1st is willing to move its pick

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Edit: So the list of players we know they had interviews with now is:

- Justin Patton

- Jonathan Motley

- Semi Ojeleye

- Dwayne Bacon

- Josh Hart

and they've talked to Hamidou Diallo's former coaches via a different report


That's a relief. I think there's a lot of value at #9 and it would be a mistake to trade down. I would love for us to find a way to grab a late first or early second rounder though to get Diallo. He seems worth investing in the second round on
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Post#649 » by JamesConway » Fri May 12, 2017 2:02 pm

Devassa wrote:That's a relief. I think there's a lot of value at #9 and it would be a mistake to trade down. I would love for us to find a way to grab a late first or early second rounder though to get Diallo. He seems worth investing in the second round on

I'm so with you :lol: It's tough to judge Diallo with this little tape available and not even NCAA-stats, but I want him here too. He's a complete freak athletically and has also measured out extremely well (6'11 wingspan, 6'5 in shoes, put up a lot of weight apparently but is still ripped). If there's even just a tiny bit of catch and shoot-ability or some dribbling skills down the road coming from him you're looking at a clear cut lottery pick with these tools. I'm sure they'll try hard to bring him in for a workout and in order to find out what he can do outside of that.
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Post#650 » by JamesConway » Fri May 12, 2017 2:13 pm

Alkins is also a fun SG-prospect:

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He's really impressive Imo with his mix of ballskills (he can shoot/attack/even run the PnR a bit to get to his shot), physicality (223 pounds, 6'4 in shoes, 6'8+ wingspan) and athleticism (40'' vertical). Alkins might end up being this year's Norman Powell. He was the best player on the court yesterday and that's while still being a 19 year old freshman. He didn't set the world on fire for Arizona but he played his role over there and did so very efficiently. He looks amazing on tape:






If there is a way to get one of Diallo/Alkins I'd really love to do that, even in the 1st round if needed to. Hart is a solid name too, but I'm not sure how his game will translate. He's not that good of a shooter and while he is pretty nifty around the rim I'd expect him to struggle finishing. He scores well off the ball from what I've read and seen, but I really don't see him doing much off the dribble on the next level. Around 35-45 I'd be on board but probably not all that much higher.

And if we're going the undrafted route I seriously like Peter Jok from Iowa (Uthoff played there, too). Just a crazy good shooter and not a total sloth in terms of athleticism. He's somewhat caught between positions but at 6'6 with a solid frame I guess you can get away with him at SF. I have little to no concerns that he can't fill a role on offense on the next level, his jumper is great (6 threes per game the last two seasons on 38-40%, 90+% FT-shooter and they ran him off screens a lot to get him jumpers) and he should be able to at least attack a closeout. Defense is gonna make or break his chances Imo. I only saw parts of the 5-on-5 yesterday where he struggled a bit yesterday, but I still expect that to change. I wouldn't mind bringing him in on a camp deal.
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Post#651 » by JamesConway » Fri May 12, 2017 4:01 pm

Pick backing up Sefko on the Mavs scouting Frank:
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Post#652 » by Devassa » Fri May 12, 2017 4:32 pm

JamesConway wrote:Pick backing up Sefko on the Mavs scouting Frank:
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I think they are really gonna fall for this kid... he seems to have a proper skill set, but it's looking more and more likely he is gone before 9... Markkanen or Smith seem like the more realistic options
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Post#653 » by daoneandonly » Fri May 12, 2017 6:17 pm

Devassa wrote:
JamesConway wrote:Pick backing up Sefko on the Mavs scouting Frank:
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I think they are really gonna fall for this kid... he seems to have a proper skill set, but it's looking more and more likely he is gone before 9... Markkanen or Smith seem like the more realistic options


I'd much rather have Smith than Frank, so good for us if this were to occur
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Post#654 » by Devassa » Fri May 12, 2017 6:22 pm

daoneandonly wrote:
Devassa wrote:
JamesConway wrote:Pick backing up Sefko on the Mavs scouting Frank:
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I think they are really gonna fall for this kid... he seems to have a proper skill set, but it's looking more and more likely he is gone before 9... Markkanen or Smith seem like the more realistic options


I'd much rather have Smith than Frank, so good for us if this were to occur


I agree, I think Smith will be really special... My fear is that Dallas views him as the 3rd best potential option at #9 (after Markkanen and Ntilikina)
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Post#655 » by dirkforpres » Fri May 12, 2017 7:21 pm

Devassa wrote:
daoneandonly wrote:
Devassa wrote:
I think they are really gonna fall for this kid... he seems to have a proper skill set, but it's looking more and more likely he is gone before 9... Markkanen or Smith seem like the more realistic options


I'd much rather have Smith than Frank, so good for us if this were to occur


I agree, I think Smith will be really special... My fear is that Dallas views him as the 3rd best potential option at #9 (after Markkanen and Ntilikina)


Any Mavs fans watch much Euroleague ball that can give more insight on Ntilikina?

Markkanen doesn't make much sense (especially for the next 2 years) unless they trade Powell.

Smith would be my pick. I love his style of play
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Post#656 » by Mr B » Fri May 12, 2017 11:01 pm

Devassa wrote:
daoneandonly wrote:
Devassa wrote:
I think they are really gonna fall for this kid... he seems to have a proper skill set, but it's looking more and more likely he is gone before 9... Markkanen or Smith seem like the more realistic options


I'd much rather have Smith than Frank, so good for us if this were to occur


I agree, I think Smith will be really special... My fear is that Dallas views him as the 3rd best potential option at #9 (after Markkanen and Ntilikina)


From what I heard Phil Jackson really love Ntilikina. I know Knicks fans want Monk but there is a good chance they draft Ntilikina instead.
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Post#657 » by Darren » Sat May 13, 2017 4:28 am

At this point, I am picking Ntilikina over Monk and Smith because of his size and skillsets. I expect both Ntilikina and Curry starting under such scenario. And Wes will be traded before the season starts.

If only Monk is available but not Ntilikina, I expect us to trade Curry for a quality 2. For example, Wes and Curry for Fournier is not bad at all.

If we're only left with Markkanen, I'd rather sign Lowry and trade down for multiple picks.

Of course, if we land the top pick, then Fultz is the answer unless we trade him for Porzingis.
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Post#658 » by Darren » Sat May 13, 2017 4:29 am

I expect Lonzo Ball to drop much further from top 5. Similar player like Evan Turner has failed brutally in the NBA.
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Post#659 » by Teffer10 » Sat May 13, 2017 10:41 am

Darren wrote:I expect Lonzo Ball to drop much further from top 5. Similar player like Evan Turner has failed brutally in the NBA.

I honestly can't see the Lakers passing on him but if they do happen to lose their pick he could slip.
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Post#660 » by Yennefer » Sat May 13, 2017 5:53 pm

Teffer10 wrote:
Darren wrote:I expect Lonzo Ball to drop much further from top 5. Similar player like Evan Turner has failed brutally in the NBA.

I honestly can't see the Lakers passing on him but if they do happen to lose their pick he could slip.


I doubt the Lakers even keep their Pick. I would not take him Top5, but if anyone picks that guy in the Top5 its the Lakers.

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