Luka Doncic

[pacersGM]

have i insultet someone? did i write profanities?
if my grammar, spelling, and sarcasm (am i really the only one applying it?) should get me banned from here, then shure, thats credible.

i see a bigger problem in people who are responding to my or other peoples questions with ignorance or without explaining their thinking, or with a LOL and similar.

you are the third one saying i should be punished in some way or form for argumenting my opinion (true, in a sarcastic way where i feel its needed). i dont care or want someone to get banned for voicing out his opinion, as i dont take it personaly or get hurt if someone defends his stand on things.

so we can say doncics potential in the nba can range from a total bust (some claim that here) to a good nba player - starter (im claiming that), and some say he has the potential to be a multiple time all star or even a HOF. so with those span of potential this thread can be closed in the first place, but that wouldnt be debating or would it be?

im at least backing up my prediction with facts that young promising guys were doing good in euroleague at a young age (yeeees not at 18, but at 19.5 or 20 years wich is almost the same) and they either became good players or total busts. but none of them lived up to their hype.

[SportsGuy8]

I'm only going to touch the "on-topic" part:

im at least backing up my prediction with facts that young promising guys were doing good in euroleague at a young age (yeeees not at 18, but at 19.5 or 20 years wich is almost the same) and they either became good players or total busts. but none of them lived up to their hype.

Give us names then. Vesely? Is that your total bust example? With him, the scouts made the same mistake they so often make with American players - severely overrating his athletic abilities, disregarding his lack of skills, the opposite of Doncic. Basically the same mistake you and posters like reanimator make when it comes to Doncic, putting way too much emphasis on athletic abilities, or in Doncic's case a supposed lack of them, disregarding an almost unprecedented mix of skills, strength, size and bballIQ.

Seriously, give us a list of names!

[pacersGM]

I'm only going to touch the "on-topic" part:

im at least backing up my prediction with facts that young promising guys were doing good in euroleague at a young age (yeeees not at 18, but at 19.5 or 20 years wich is almost the same) and they either became good players or total busts. but none of them lived up to their hype.

Give us names then. Vesely? Is that your total bust example? With him, the scouts made the same mistake they so often make with American players - severely overrating his athletic abilities, disregarding his lack of skills, the opposite of Doncic. Basically the same mistake you and posters like reanimator make when it comes to Doncic, putting way too much emphasis on athletic abilities, or in Doncic's case a supposed lack of them, disregarding an almost unprecedented mix of skills, strength, size and bballIQ.

Seriously, give us a list of names!

Jiri Welsch
nikola mirotic
mario hezonja
ricky rubio
allesandro gentile
andrea bargnani
rudy fernandez
sergey karashev
fotsis
monya
kryapa
cedi osman (the 31 pick in the nba draft. no, he hasnt played in an nba game yet, no he wont matter in the nba, even if beeing groomed by euroleague clubs since the age of 13. sounds familiar?)

doncic has by 150% more hype on him then any other of the above. rubio is the exception. he had THE SAME hype! dont say now, well we all knew he couldnt shoot, he couldnt this and that. well you didnt know. thats why he was picked 5th. you discussed, just like we are today. you can say: but doncic has now a worlds better jum shot that rubio had, he rebounds, better, his iq, this and that. but i say he doesnt have enough athletic ability to make it big.

some of those were/are decent nba players, but nothing spectacular. i dont want to hear the reasons why they failed. they were drafted high, besed on potential, but failed to deliver on many of them.
will doncic be able to translate like his great play at 18 hints in the euroleague? maybe. but the odds are kinda against it of him making it big.

[Bob8]

So this thread doesnt completly derails...

Watch on YouTube

no way this is Doncic.

shure he is, you can clearly recognize him, because he got the whole 30 cm of the ground, and avoided a block by the great paint defender luka bogdanovic, the 32 old forward from serbia, also knows for his extreme leaping ability and blocking prowess at that age

i bashed doncic a bit just for you, im sorry for that. but you cant really take this clip as an example of how an athletic play should look like.

ooops, and did i see a carried ball call missed by the refs in european basketball at 0:21 s?

Can we grant him at least will to finish at the rim and good coordination in the air?

[Bob8]

have i insultet someone? did i write profanities?
if my grammar, spelling, and sarcasm (am i really the only one applying it?) should get me banned from here, then shure, thats credible.

i see a bigger problem in people who are responding to my or other peoples questions with ignorance or without explaining their thinking, or with a LOL and similar.

you are the third one saying i should be punished in some way or form for argumenting my opinion (true, in a sarcastic way where i feel its needed). i dont care or want someone to get banned for voicing out his opinion, as i dont take it personaly or get hurt if someone defends his stand on things.

so we can say doncics potential in the nba can range from a total bust (some claim that here) to a good nba player - starter (im claiming that), and some say he has the potential to be a multiple time all star or even a HOF. so with those span of potential this thread can be closed in the first place, but that wouldnt be debating or would it be?

im at least backing up my prediction with facts that young promising guys were doing good in euroleague at a young age (yeeees not at 18, but at 19.5 or 20 years wich is almost the same) and they either became good players or total busts. but none of them lived up to their hype.

Do you distinguish between possibility and certainty? Many here think that Doncic has possibility to become very good NBA player, but nobody is saying he will certainly become one. But there are some here who know for certain he won't. And that's the problem. Maybe he will, maybe he won't, but we should give him at least benefit of doubt.

[pacersGM]

have i insultet someone? did i write profanities?
if my grammar, spelling, and sarcasm (am i really the only one applying it?) should get me banned from here, then shure, thats credible.

i see a bigger problem in people who are responding to my or other peoples questions with ignorance or without explaining their thinking, or with a LOL and similar.

you are the third one saying i should be punished in some way or form for argumenting my opinion (true, in a sarcastic way where i feel its needed). i dont care or want someone to get banned for voicing out his opinion, as i dont take it personaly or get hurt if someone defends his stand on things.

so we can say doncics potential in the nba can range from a total bust (some claim that here) to a good nba player - starter (im claiming that), and some say he has the potential to be a multiple time all star or even a HOF. so with those span of potential this thread can be closed in the first place, but that wouldnt be debating or would it be?

im at least backing up my prediction with facts that young promising guys were doing good in euroleague at a young age (yeeees not at 18, but at 19.5 or 20 years wich is almost the same) and they either became good players or total busts. but none of them lived up to their hype.

Do you distinguish between possibility and certainty? Many here think that Doncic has possibility to become very good NBA player, but nobody is saying he will certainly become one. But there are some here who know for certain he won't. And that's the problem. Maybe he will, maybe he won't, but we should give him at least benefit of doubt.

ok. i agree. but it will be extremely hard for me to wait those 2, 3 years and hope we in slovenia get another productive player in the nba, and see how far of i will be with my 15-5-5 future telling

until then, i will have to probably bite my lips several times, when the hype climbs up into the clouds again

[Bob8]

have i insultet someone? did i write profanities?
if my grammar, spelling, and sarcasm (am i really the only one applying it?) should get me banned from here, then shure, thats credible.

i see a bigger problem in people who are responding to my or other peoples questions with ignorance or without explaining their thinking, or with a LOL and similar.

you are the third one saying i should be punished in some way or form for argumenting my opinion (true, in a sarcastic way where i feel its needed). i dont care or want someone to get banned for voicing out his opinion, as i dont take it personaly or get hurt if someone defends his stand on things.

so we can say doncics potential in the nba can range from a total bust (some claim that here) to a good nba player - starter (im claiming that), and some say he has the potential to be a multiple time all star or even a HOF. so with those span of potential this thread can be closed in the first place, but that wouldnt be debating or would it be?

im at least backing up my prediction with facts that young promising guys were doing good in euroleague at a young age (yeeees not at 18, but at 19.5 or 20 years wich is almost the same) and they either became good players or total busts. but none of them lived up to their hype.

Do you distinguish between possibility and certainty? Many here think that Doncic has possibility to become very good NBA player, but nobody is saying he will certainly become one. But there are some here who know for certain he won't. And that's the problem. Maybe he will, maybe he won't, but we should give him at least benefit of doubt.

ok. i agree. but it will be extremely hard for me to wait those 2, 3 years and hope we in slovenia get another productive player in the nba, and see how far of i will be with my 15-5-5 future telling

until then, i will have to probably bite my lips several times, when the hype climbs up into the clouds again

Yes, you seem very eager to see Doncic succeed and Slovenia gets another productive player in the NBA.

[pacersGM]

Do you distinguish between possibility and certainty? Many here think that Doncic has possibility to become very good NBA player, but nobody is saying he will certainly become one. But there are some here who know for certain he won't. And that's the problem. Maybe he will, maybe he won't, but we should give him at least benefit of doubt.

ok. i agree. but it will be extremely hard for me to wait those 2, 3 years and hope we in slovenia get another productive player in the nba, and see how far of i will be with my 15-5-5 future telling

until then, i will have to probably bite my lips several times, when the hype climbs up into the clouds again

Yes, you seem very eager to see Doncic succeed and Slovenia gets another productive player in the NBA.

yep. as a person living in the real world, aknowledging the world around me as it is, i would love for him to have a succesfull nba career, meaning 15-5-5. on the other hand, if i would still believe in santa clause, and unicorns, i would already vote for him to play in his 5th consecutive all star game in 2025 and jump from one cloud onto another with joy. ups there is my sarcastic response to a sarcastic post again

[SportsGuy8]

I'm only going to touch the "on-topic" part:

im at least backing up my prediction with facts that young promising guys were doing good in euroleague at a young age (yeeees not at 18, but at 19.5 or 20 years wich is almost the same) and they either became good players or total busts. but none of them lived up to their hype.

Give us names then. Vesely? Is that your total bust example? With him, the scouts made the same mistake they so often make with American players - severely overrating his athletic abilities, disregarding his lack of skills, the opposite of Doncic. Basically the same mistake you and posters like reanimator make when it comes to Doncic, putting way too much emphasis on athletic abilities, or in Doncic's case a supposed lack of them, disregarding an almost unprecedented mix of skills, strength, size and bballIQ.

Seriously, give us a list of names!

Jiri Welsch
nikola mirotic
mario hezonja
ricky rubio
allesandro gentile
andrea bargnani
rudy fernandez
sergey karashev
fotsis
monya
kryapa
cedi osman (the 31 pick in the nba draft. no, he hasnt played in an nba game yet, no he wont matter in the nba, even if beeing groomed by euroleague clubs since the age of 13. sounds familiar?)

doncic has by 150% more hype on him then any other of the above. rubio is the exception. he had THE SAME hype! dont say now, well we all knew he couldnt shoot, he couldnt this and that. well you didnt know. thats why he was picked 5th. you discussed, just like we are today. you can say: but doncic has now a worlds better jum shot that rubio had, he rebounds, better, his iq, this and that. but i say he doesnt have enough athletic ability to make it big.

some of those were/are decent nba players, but nothing spectacular. i dont want to hear the reasons why they failed. they were drafted high, besed on potential, but failed to deliver on many of them.
will doncic be able to translate like his great play at 18 hints in the euroleague? maybe. but the odds are kinda against it of him making it big.

I'm going to ignore the fact that you listed a bunch of late-first, or even 2nd round picks (only Rubio, Hezonja & Bargnani were actual lottery picks), instead let's look if these players were truly that much worse in the NBA:

- Bargnani was basically the SAME player in the NBA as he was in Europe.
- Rubio is a MUCH BETTER NBA player.
- Jiri Welsch was the SAME player in the NBA; don't let that one year at Olimpija fool you.
- Rudy Fernandez was having a good rookie year, then that injury sent everything downhill for him.
- Mirotic - ask Mirotic12 if his performance in the NBA surprises him. But OK, you can have him.
- Hezonja was the SAME headless chicken playing for Barcelona!
- Gentile: what is he doing on this list?
- Sergey Karasev: OK, maybe you got him right! But I honestly have no idea how he looked in Europe.
- Fotsis: his sample size is so small that it's hard to say much.
- Monia : OK, maybe another correct one.
- Khryapa: Wasn't he like the same player in the NBA?
- Cedi Osman: Seriously? Now you're really pushing it.

So if anything, many of these examples actually DISPROVE your point!

Now, I suggest you to take a look at HUNDREDS, if not THOUSANDS of NCAA stars who later severely under-performed in the NBA. If above-mentioned examples make you skeptical about Doncic, then you should be EXTREMELY skeptical of EVERY SINGLE NCAA player! Are you? If not, why such double standards?

[pacersGM]

I'm only going to touch the "on-topic" part:

Give us names then. Vesely? Is that your total bust example? With him, the scouts made the same mistake they so often make with American players - severely overrating his athletic abilities, disregarding his lack of skills, the opposite of Doncic. Basically the same mistake you and posters like reanimator make when it comes to Doncic, putting way too much emphasis on athletic abilities, or in Doncic's case a supposed lack of them, disregarding an almost unprecedented mix of skills, strength, size and bballIQ.

Seriously, give us a list of names!

Jiri Welsch
nikola mirotic
mario hezonja
ricky rubio
allesandro gentile
andrea bargnani
rudy fernandez
sergey karashev
fotsis
monya
kryapa
cedi osman (the 31 pick in the nba draft. no, he hasnt played in an nba game yet, no he wont matter in the nba, even if beeing groomed by euroleague clubs since the age of 13. sounds familiar?)

doncic has by 150% more hype on him then any other of the above. rubio is the exception. he had THE SAME hype! dont say now, well we all knew he couldnt shoot, he couldnt this and that. well you didnt know. thats why he was picked 5th. you discussed, just like we are today. you can say: but doncic has now a worlds better jum shot that rubio had, he rebounds, better, his iq, this and that. but i say he doesnt have enough athletic ability to make it big.

some of those were/are decent nba players, but nothing spectacular. i dont want to hear the reasons why they failed. they were drafted high, besed on potential, but failed to deliver on many of them.
will doncic be able to translate like his great play at 18 hints in the euroleague? maybe. but the odds are kinda against it of him making it big.

I'm going to ignore the fact that you listed a bunch of late-first, or even 2nd round picks (only Rubio, Hezonja & Bargnani were actual lottery picks), instead let's look if these players were truly that much worse in the NBA:

- Bargnani was basically the SAME player in the NBA as he was in Europe.
- Rubio is a MUCH BETTER NBA player.
- Jiri Welsch was the SAME player in the NBA; don't let that one year at Olimpija fool you.
- Rudy Fernandez was having a good rookie year, then that injury sent everything downhill for him.
- Mirotic - ask Mirotic12 if his performance in the NBA surprises him. But OK, you can have him.
- Hezonja was the SAME headless chicken playing for Barcelona!
- Gentile: what is he doing on this list?
- Sergey Karasev: OK, maybe you got him right! But I honestly have no idea how he looked in Europe.
- Fotsis: his sample size is so small that it's hard to say much.
- Monia : OK, maybe another correct one.
- Khryapa: Wasn't he like the same player in the NBA?
- Cedi Osman: Seriously? Now you're really pushing it.

So if anything, many of these examples actually DISPROVE your point!

Now, I suggest you to take a look at HUNDREDS, if not THOUSANDS of NCAA stars who later severely under-performed in the NBA. If above-mentioned examples make you skeptical about Doncic, then you should be EXTREMELY skeptical of EVERY SINGLE NCAA player! Are you? If not, why such double standards?

i dont know what your point is honestly.
you said i had a few correct, and most of them are playing the same in the nba as they were in europe.
meaning if doncic stays the same: is he worth a top 5 pick for someone who willl average 10 ppg in the nba?
now you name me european prospects who doubled their scoring (8 to 16 or more) once coming into the nba? and i dont mean the ones who were playing 7-15 minutes per game in europe. the ones who played meaning ful minutes in europe. (20+)?

i really would like to know wich players did that, as i really cant think of any right now. and if you name a few, i can maybe see this in another light

i know that NCAA athletes dont pan out in the nba game because they dont learn how to play, remain athletes. so thats their weak point. we all know doncic is na great smart alround talent, but will his good given athletic ability or the % of it he ads with training, be enough to do something great and good in the nba or wont it? will see. but the bigger gains are on the athletes who learn the game, then on smart players who "become" athletes

[Goon]

I wish the mods would just lock this thread and leave it locked until next year... Everyone posting off topic, baiting, insulting, etc should just be deleted and blocked from posting in this thread if it continues to be open.

I used to like coming here and read opinions on Doncic (positive, negative, constructive critisism), but it turned into off topic infested, personal bashing piece of ...

Not trying to play the role of a mod, so true mods please forgive me.

[Bob8]

Doncic was 17 years old at the start of this season. The best scorer of Euroleague, Keith Langford, had 12,5 ppg in 20 minutes. And what do you expect from 17 years old kid? to be the best scorer of Euroleague?
You could have applied his stats to NBA if he had 22 years+ and be the first choice of his club. Some people hear are forgetting that, he's still high school kid, playing in men's league for one of the best clubs in Europe and it's totally normal he can't be first choice in attack.

[UcanUwill]

i have centric views in this thread, but that list is a fail. A lot of these players are or were in their prime playing in Europe, and all of them are worse than Doncic already. The only guy you could argue is Rudy.

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[narcolepsy]

i dont know what your point is honestly.
you said i had a few correct, and most of them are playing the same in the nba as they were in europe.
meaning if doncic stays the same: is he worth a top 5 pick for someone who willl average 10 ppg in the nba?
now you name me european prospects who doubled their scoring (8 to 16 or more) once coming into the nba? and i dont mean the ones who were playing 7-15 minutes per game in europe. the ones who played meaning ful minutes in europe. (20+)?

Ofcourse if he stays the same as he is right now (at 18) he's not worthy of a first pick. No one is. You must be trolling, what are you even trying to accomplish right now?

I wish the mods would just lock this thread and leave it locked until next year... Everyone posting off topic, baiting, insulting, etc should just be deleted and blocked from posting in this thread if it continues to be open.

I used to like coming here and read opinions on Doncic (positive, negative, constructive critisism), but it turned into off topic infested, personal bashing piece of ...

Not trying to play the role of a mod, so true mods please forgive me.

I hope this thread doesnt get locked up right before the final four, however some people really need to think twice if their post brings anything constructive to the debate.

[pacersGM]

i have centric views in this thread, but that list is a fail. A lot of these players are or were in their prime playing in Europe, and all of them are worse than Doncic already. The only guy you could argue is Rudy.

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if your in your prime at 19-20-21, then i guess your right?

[pacersGM]

i dont know what your point is honestly.
you said i had a few correct, and most of them are playing the same in the nba as they were in europe.
meaning if doncic stays the same: is he worth a top 5 pick for someone who willl average 10 ppg in the nba?
now you name me european prospects who doubled their scoring (8 to 16 or more) once coming into the nba? and i dont mean the ones who were playing 7-15 minutes per game in europe. the ones who played meaning ful minutes in europe. (20+)?

Ofcourse if he stays the same as he is right now (at 18) he's not worthy of a first pick. No one is. You must be trolling, what are you even trying to accomplish right now?

ALMOST EVERY PLAYER ON THE LIST I GAVE STAYED "THE SAME" GOING FROM EUROPE TO THE NBA. not my word but i agree.
so i dont understand what you mean?

DRAFT POSITION = BASED ON POTENTIAL 80%
DONCIC GETS DRAFTED HIGH IF TEAM BELIVE THEY WILL RISE IN EVERYTHING HE DOES.
SO WILL DONCIC RISE ABOVE HIS 8 POINTS PER GAME NEXT YEAR, AND RISE IN THE NBA TO 20-22 PPG (A biiiG INCREASE, since the europe- to nba transition is EQUAL at best, like history has shown?

so did i explain it for you to understand?

[narcolepsy]

So you made a list of players who had failed/average NBA careers and used it to push your "If Doncic doesnt average 20ppg in Europe, he'll never average anything near that in NBA" agenda.
Weird you never mentioned anything about Parker, Dragic, even KP and Jokic in last years, who obviously transitioned and became quickly much better NBA players/scorers. KP from 10 ppg to 18 in 2 years? Bet he's gonna be averaging 20+ next year. Who would have thought when he was playing in like 6th best league and barely scoring double digits.
It's really hard to have a constructive debate with you when you're so biased against Doncic. Why would he be unable to improve?

[Bob8]

i dont know what your point is honestly.
you said i had a few correct, and most of them are playing the same in the nba as they were in europe.
meaning if doncic stays the same: is he worth a top 5 pick for someone who willl average 10 ppg in the nba?
now you name me european prospects who doubled their scoring (8 to 16 or more) once coming into the nba? and i dont mean the ones who were playing 7-15 minutes per game in europe. the ones who played meaning ful minutes in europe. (20+)?

Ofcourse if he stays the same as he is right now (at 18) he's not worthy of a first pick. No one is. You must be trolling, what are you even trying to accomplish right now?

ALMOST EVERY PLAYER ON THE LIST I GAVE STAYED "THE SAME" GOING FROM EUROPE TO THE NBA. not my word but i agree.
so i dont understand what you mean?

DRAFT POSITION = BASED ON POTENTIAL 80%
DONCIC GETS DRAFTED HIGH IF TEAM BELIVE THEY WILL RISE IN EVERYTHING HE DOES.
SO WILL DONCIC RISE ABOVE HIS 8 POINTS PER GAME NEXT YEAR, AND RISE IN THE NBA TO 20-22 PPG (A biiiG INCREASE, since the europe- to nba transition is EQUAL at best, like history has shown?

so did i explain it for you to understand?

transition is not equal if someone is 17 years old. normally no one even plays in Euroleague at this age, Rubio had 3.6 ppg and 2.4 ppg 2 years later. Dragic had 6.2 in slovenian league. Do you really think if Porter would have played in Euroleague that he would have 20 ppg? and he might have 20+ in his Nba career. you totally discounting how old Doncic is.

http://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?pcode=LFW#!careerstats

Ricky Rubio stats are better in NBA.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/rubiori01.html

10.3/4.2/8.5 vs 5.5/2.8/3.5 It looks that Rubio was able to double his Euroleague stats.

[SportsGuy8]

i dont know what your point is honestly.
you said i had a few correct, and most of them are playing the same in the nba as they were in europe.
meaning if doncic stays the same: is he worth a top 5 pick for someone who willl average 10 ppg in the nba?
now you name me european prospects who doubled their scoring (8 to 16 or more) once coming into the nba? and i dont mean the ones who were playing 7-15 minutes per game in europe. the ones who played meaning ful minutes in europe. (20+)?

i really would like to know wich players did that, as i really cant think of any right now. and if you name a few, i can maybe see this in another light

i know that NCAA athletes dont pan out in the nba game because they dont learn how to play, remain athletes. so thats their weak point. we all know doncic is na great smart alround talent, but will his good given athletic ability or the % of it he ads with training, be enough to do something great and good in the nba or wont it? will see. but the bigger gains are on the athletes who learn the game, then on smart players who "become" athletes

You have to look at per36 stats when looking at players playing in Europe, because games are 8 minutes shorter and coaches rarely give anyone more than 25mins, even star veterans. Doncic is putting up 15-8-8 per36 in the Euroleague and 14-8-7 including ACB. Rebounds are completely transferable to the NBA (as proven with numerous examples) while the assists often go up. So if Doncic's stats stay the same, we're basically looking at a 15-8-8 statline.

And you're totally ignoring the fact that he's substantially younger than most of your examples were. He played the majority of this year as a 17-year-old, trying to fit in on a top team. He's doing the little things, not really trying hard to score, just when opportunity arises.

Players that (almost) doubled their scoring? Almost everyone who almost doubled his minutes, obviously! Porzingis, Dragic, even Rubio ... Do you see the pattern? Not many players double their scoring because only the absolute best will see their minutes substantially increasing. Doncic provides so many little things that he's most likely easily going to get his minutes increased substantially, but it obviously depends on the team.

i dont know what your point is honestly.
you said i had a few correct, and most of them are playing the same in the nba as they were in europe.
meaning if doncic stays the same: is he worth a top 5 pick for someone who willl average 10 ppg in the nba?
now you name me european prospects who doubled their scoring (8 to 16 or more) once coming into the nba? and i dont mean the ones who were playing 7-15 minutes per game in europe. the ones who played meaning ful minutes in europe. (20+)?

Ofcourse if he stays the same as he is right now (at 18) he's not worthy of a first pick. No one is. You must be trolling, what are you even trying to accomplish right now?

ALMOST EVERY PLAYER ON THE LIST I GAVE STAYED "THE SAME" GOING FROM EUROPE TO THE NBA. not my word but i agree.
so i dont understand what you mean?

DRAFT POSITION = BASED ON POTENTIAL 80%
DONCIC GETS DRAFTED HIGH IF TEAM BELIVE THEY WILL RISE IN EVERYTHING HE DOES.
SO WILL DONCIC RISE ABOVE HIS 8 POINTS PER GAME NEXT YEAR, AND RISE IN THE NBA TO 20-22 PPG (A biiiG INCREASE, since the europe- to nba transition is EQUAL at best, like history has shown?

so did i explain it for you to understand?

Equal PER MINUTE, or per36. That's one important aspect to keep in mind.

[pacersGM]

So you made a list of players who had failed/average NBA careers and used it to push your "If Doncic doesnt average 20ppg in Europe, he'll never average anything near that in NBA" agenda.
Weird you never mentioned anything about Parker, Dragic, even KP and Jokic in last years, who obviously transitioned and became quickly much better NBA players/scorers. KP from 10 ppg to 18 in 2 years? Bet he's gonna be averaging 20+ next year. Who would have thought when he was playing in like 6th best league and barely scoring double digits.
It's really hard to have a constructive debate with you when you're so biased against Doncic. Why would he be unable to improve?

yep thats exactly what i made. andthats exactly what i wanted to tell you. i didnt mention porzingis, who was drafted based on his physical attributes (like vesely, tsikishvilli, milicic, bargnani, bedner) in search of the next dirk. turns out porzingis has a jump shot, a 3 shot, and combined that with his deer like athleticism at 7 feet 2, and here were are. an exception. i thought you didnt want a athlete with no other skills comparision?

jokic is the only exception here. he did what no one really expected. beeing a fat jelly, not really athletic dude, and doing what he does is great. but still he is 7 feet tall, so he doesnt really need the speed. dragic i thougt we already went trough that he is made for the nba (athletic, wingspan, spedd. etc ...)

i would say a 2 m guy will need some kind of quickness in the nba?