Woj: Hornets hire Mike Batiste

Post #1 » by **yosemiteben** » Thu May 11, 2017 5:10 pm

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojVerticalNBA 16 min ago
Charlotte is hiring Brooklyn player development coach Mike Batiste as an assistant coach, league sources tell @TheVertical.

Nets fans have any scoops on this guy? Ever heard of him before?

MrDollarBills · Post #2 » by **MrDollarBills** » Thu May 11, 2017 5:20 pm

He was our big man coach this season.

Paradise · Post #3 » by **Paradise** » Thu May 11, 2017 5:38 pm

He was our big man coach. Very knowledgeable eurpean talent and Nets assistant GM, Trajan Langdon, worked with Batiste while in the Cavaliers organization. He helped our bigs with their shooting.

Glad to see we are now creating new opportunities for our staff. Expecting more of this to come in the Marks era.

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MrDollarBills · Post #4 » by **MrDollarBills** » Thu May 11, 2017 5:51 pm

Paradise wrote:He was our big man coach. Very knowledgeable eurpean talent and Nets assistant GM, Trajan Langdon, worked with Batiste while in the Cavaliers organization. He helped our bigs with their shooting.

Glad to see we are now creating new opportunities for our staff. Expecting more of this to come in the Marks era.

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A sign of a quality organization will be when you see our staff getting poached by outsiders.

Best believe, I have faith that this regime will make sure that what was said about Brooklyn on that KG segment on TNT won't be said again for years to come. I was embarrassed watching that.

spaceballer · Post #5 » by **spaceballer** » Thu May 11, 2017 6:29 pm

yosemiteben wrote:Adrian Wojnarowski @WojVerticalNBA 16 min ago
Charlotte is hiring Brooklyn player development coach Mike Batiste as an assistant coach, league sources tell @TheVertical.

Nets fans have any scoops on this guy? Ever heard of him before?

He wasn't particularly visible this season, since we often don't see what happens in coaching sessions. He was the big man coach, so I assume he will replace Ewing in that capacity.

A quick google search of Nets Daily turned up these links from last summer about the hiring of Batiste that might be informative.

http://www.netsdaily.com/2016/6/27/12046436/david-pick-brooklyn-nets-hire-european-legend-mike-batiste-as-big-man

http://www.netsdaily.com/2016/7/5/12098712/brooklyn-nets-coaching-staff-is-finalized-announced

http://www.netsdaily.com/2016/8/27/12669384/do-the-nets-have-the-biggest-front-office-in-the-nba

He was also the least experienced of the 8 new assistants hired under Kenny, since everyone else had worked on an NBA team before, while Batiste had only worked with the Canton Charge (D-League affiliate of the Cavs) prior to joining the Nets. Ewing moving on opens up a spot for a big man coach, which Batiste can slot into.

spaceballer · Post #6 » by **spaceballer** » Thu May 11, 2017 6:36 pm

Paradise wrote:He was our big man coach. Very knowledgeable eurpean talent and Nets assistant GM, Trajan Langdon, worked with Batiste while in the Cavaliers organization. He helped our bigs with their shooting.

Glad to see we are now creating new opportunities for our staff. Expecting more of this to come in the Marks era.

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Wouldn't it have been Adam Harrington, Kevin Durant's shooting coach poached from the Thunder, who would have worked with the bigs on shooting?

spaceballer · Post #7 » by **spaceballer** » Thu May 11, 2017 6:42 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:
Paradise wrote:He was our big man coach. Very knowledgeable eurpean talent and Nets assistant GM, Trajan Langdon, worked with Batiste while in the Cavaliers organization. He helped our bigs with their shooting.

Glad to see we are now creating new opportunities for our staff. Expecting more of this to come in the Marks era.

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A sign of a quality organization will be when you see our staff getting poached by outsiders.

Best believe, I have faith that this regime will make sure that what was said about Brooklyn on that KG segment on TNT won't be said again for years to come. I was embarrassed watching that.

A recent Raptors thread had fans wondering if they could poach the Nets offensive coordinator Chris Fleming to replace Nick Nurse. Fleming is a well-respected offensive mind from his time on the Nuggets before the Nets poached him last summer.

reelsgm · Post #8 » by **reelsgm** » Fri May 12, 2017 4:00 am

yosemiteben wrote:Adrian Wojnarowski @WojVerticalNBA 16 min ago
Charlotte is hiring Brooklyn player development coach Mike Batiste as an assistant coach, league sources tell @TheVertical.

Nets fans have any scoops on this guy? Ever heard of him before?

Charlotte gets an assistant coach from the undisputed worst team in the NBA, is that a good thing for y'all?

In retrospect it probably can't hurt the Hornets:
- Nets 11-13 (.458) and CHA 10-12 (.454) last 2 mos season
- Nets 4 wins over playoff teams, CHA 5 wins over playoff teams last 2 mos
- CHA rested a bit and as David Stern will tell you, so did the Brooklyn Nets

Prokorov · Post #9 » by **Prokorov** » Fri May 12, 2017 10:46 am

reelsgm wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:Adrian Wojnarowski @WojVerticalNBA 16 min ago
Charlotte is hiring Brooklyn player development coach Mike Batiste as an assistant coach, league sources tell @TheVertical.

Nets fans have any scoops on this guy? Ever heard of him before?

Charlotte gets an assistant coach from the undisputed worst team in the NBA, is that a good thing for y'all?

In retrospect it probably can't hurt the Hornets:
- Nets 11-13 (.458) and CHA 10-12 (.454) last 2 mos season
- Nets 4 wins over playoff teams, CHA 5 wins over playoff teams last 2 mos
- CHA rested a bit and as David Stern will tell you, so did the Brooklyn Nets

wins are irrelevant.... he was the player development coach for a team that had done an outstanding job developing players. he can only help charlotte.

reelsgm · Post #10 » by **reelsgm** » Fri May 12, 2017 12:17 pm

Prokorov wrote:
reelsgm wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:Adrian Wojnarowski @WojVerticalNBA 16 min ago
Charlotte is hiring Brooklyn player development coach Mike Batiste as an assistant coach, league sources tell @TheVertical.

Nets fans have any scoops on this guy? Ever heard of him before?

Charlotte gets an assistant coach from the undisputed worst team in the NBA, is that a good thing for y'all?

In retrospect it probably can't hurt the Hornets:
- Nets 11-13 (.458) and CHA 10-12 (.454) last 2 mos season
- Nets 4 wins over playoff teams, CHA 5 wins over playoff teams last 2 mos
- CHA rested a bit and as David Stern will tell you, so did the Brooklyn Nets

wins are irrelevant....

you don't say (for the 100th time)?
using counter-factuals are mostly pointless but Lovers of developmental losses wouldn't have a leg to stand on (not to mention ANY evidence of "development") had April & March been as disastrous in WINs as Jan & Feb.

Prokorov · Post #11 » by **Prokorov** » Fri May 12, 2017 12:43 pm

reelsgm wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
reelsgm wrote:
Charlotte gets an assistant coach from the undisputed worst team in the NBA, is that a good thing for y'all?

In retrospect it probably can't hurt the Hornets:
- Nets 11-13 (.458) and CHA 10-12 (.454) last 2 mos season
- Nets 4 wins over playoff teams, CHA 5 wins over playoff teams last 2 mos
- CHA rested a bit and as David Stern will tell you, so did the Brooklyn Nets

wins are irrelevant....

you don't say (for the 100th time)?
using counter-factuals are mostly pointless but Lovers of developmental losses wouldn't have a leg to stand on (not to mention ANY evidence of "development") had April & March been as disastrous in WINs as Jan & Feb.

no evidence of development? did you watch whitehead/dinwiddie/levert/RHJ early on vs end of season?

MrDollarBills · Post #12 » by **MrDollarBills** » Fri May 12, 2017 12:51 pm

reelsgm wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:Adrian Wojnarowski @WojVerticalNBA 16 min ago
Charlotte is hiring Brooklyn player development coach Mike Batiste as an assistant coach, league sources tell @TheVertical.

Nets fans have any scoops on this guy? Ever heard of him before?

Charlotte gets an assistant coach from the undisputed worst team in the NBA, is that a good thing for y'all?

In retrospect it probably can't hurt the Hornets:
- Nets 11-13 (.458) and CHA 10-12 (.454) last 2 mos season
- Nets 4 wins over playoff teams, CHA 5 wins over playoff teams last 2 mos
- CHA rested a bit and as David Stern will tell you, so did the Brooklyn Nets

How can you seriously base an assistant coach's efficacy on a team's record? The Nets had the least experienced and least talented roster in the league, how can you even remotely judge anything about Batiste from that?

Outside of Justin Hamilton, you can actually make a case that the Nets front court guys (Lopez, RHJ, Booker, Acy) played pretty well this season. If anything, that seems like a more accurate measure of Batiste's contributions than what you posted, but even then that's a stretch because we really don't know since we're not behind the scenes.

MrDollarBills · Post #13 » by **MrDollarBills** » Fri May 12, 2017 12:54 pm

reelsgm wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
reelsgm wrote:
Charlotte gets an assistant coach from the undisputed worst team in the NBA, is that a good thing for y'all?

In retrospect it probably can't hurt the Hornets:
- Nets 11-13 (.458) and CHA 10-12 (.454) last 2 mos season
- Nets 4 wins over playoff teams, CHA 5 wins over playoff teams last 2 mos
- CHA rested a bit and as David Stern will tell you, so did the Brooklyn Nets

wins are irrelevant....

you don't say (for the 100th time)?
using counter-factuals are mostly pointless but Lovers of developmental losses wouldn't have a leg to stand on (not to mention ANY evidence of "development") had April & March been as disastrous in WINs as Jan & Feb.

Don't get pissed because your take on Batiste was baseless and frankly, poorly thought out.

You also don't grade player development by wins and losses, but by individual metrics. Do you know anything about this sport outside of the fact that Jeremy Lin plays basketball? Stop trolling this board with your backhanded comments about this team.

Post #14 » by **yosemiteben** » Fri May 12, 2017 12:55 pm

Weird debate, but thanks for the info.

MrDollarBills · Post #15 » by **MrDollarBills** » Fri May 12, 2017 12:59 pm

yosemiteben wrote:Weird debate, but thanks for the info.

Sorry, you came in here asking a legitimate question and one of the Lin trolls decided to be obnoxious. I'm sure you're familiar with it. Good luck with Batiste and next season.

if you guys want Lopez for a 1st rd pick and expirings he's yours :nod:

reelsgm · Post #16 » by **reelsgm** » Fri May 12, 2017 1:39 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:
reelsgm wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
wins are irrelevant....

you don't say (for the 100th time)?
using counter-factuals are mostly pointless but Lovers of developmental losses wouldn't have a leg to stand on (not to mention ANY evidence of "development") had April & March been as disastrous in WINs as Jan & Feb.

Don't get pissed because your take on Batiste was baseless and frankly, poorly thought out.

You also don't grade player development by wins and losses, but by individual metrics. Do you know anything about this sport outside of the fact that Jeremy Lin plays basketball? Stop trolling this board with your backhanded comments about this team.

Well it appears you're the one that's pissed ain't it?

No matter how vehemently and repeatedly you embrace losses, that'll never be a position that flies. Sorry if you can't accept that.

Prokorov · Post #17 » by **Prokorov** » Fri May 12, 2017 5:36 pm

reelsgm wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
reelsgm wrote:you don't say (for the 100th time)?
using counter-factuals are mostly pointless but Lovers of developmental losses wouldn't have a leg to stand on (not to mention ANY evidence of "development") had April & March been as disastrous in WINs as Jan & Feb.

Don't get pissed because your take on Batiste was baseless and frankly, poorly thought out.

You also don't grade player development by wins and losses, but by individual metrics. Do you know anything about this sport outside of the fact that Jeremy Lin plays basketball? Stop trolling this board with your backhanded comments about this team.

Well it appears you're the one that's pissed ain't it?

No matter how vehemently and repeatedly you embrace losses, that'll never be a position that flies. Sorry if you can't accept that.

The disconnect is that no one is embracing losses. Fan of the Nets can understand that we bottomed out and need to rebuild things from scratch as their was a systemic issue from GM to coach to players to culture. you dont go from such a bad place as we were in (capped out with a bad team, bad coach, poor work ethic and poor GM) to a winning overnight.

Marks was brough in and the stated goals were very clear from day 1: Its about building a culture and player development. they went as far as to say they wont measure themselves by wins this early in the process.

The disconnect is from a subset of Lin fans, who have 0 investment in the nets and only want us to win as much as possible as soon as possible because that makes lin look good. Nets fans want sustained, long term success and understand how critical it is to build a new cutlure here after the last regime played with low effort and was a leaderless mess. and if it takes 2 or 3 years to build that foundation and another 2 or 3 years to get back to winning 40-49 games then thats what it takes.

but no one is embracing losses. we are embracing the culture building, embracing the analytics driven approach, embracing the expanded staff, embracing the performance driven mentality, embracing player develpment.

its not hard to see why it rubs net fans the wrong way when outsiders or this subset of lin fans bashes coaches/players for not winning when the organization has been publicly vocal that winning isnt the priority right now and your not winning much with the leagues least talened roster even if it were.

reelsgm · Post #18 » by **reelsgm** » Fri May 12, 2017 8:17 pm

Prokorov wrote:
reelsgm wrote:No matter how vehemently and repeatedly you embrace losses, that'll never be a position that flies. Sorry if you can't accept that.

The disconnect is that no one is embracing losses.

Details on this "disconnect" then?

Prokorov wrote:... The disconnect is from a subset of Lin fans, who ... only want us to win as much as possible as soon as possible because that makes lin look good.

Finally, the reason Wins should be avoided at all costs, reveals itself: WINs only serve to make Lin look good... heavens to murgatroyd.

Prokorov wrote:... and your not winning much with the leagues least talened roster even if it were.

Hope Lin doesn't ruin your 2017-18 season by tacking on too many WINs to spoil your expectation.

twosevenstreet · Post #19 » by **twosevenstreet** » Mon May 15, 2017 4:22 pm

I'd like to see Scola replace him

Prokorov · Post #20 » by **Prokorov** » Mon May 15, 2017 6:57 pm

reelsgm wrote:Details on this "disconnect" then?

I literally just outlined it all for you.... the owners, managment, coaches, players, analayst, beat writers and nets fans are all on the same page. its a long process to rebuild, and development is the measure at this point not wins. i you dont get that, there is your disconnect

Finally, the reason Wins should be avoided at all costs, reveals itself: WINs only serve to make Lin look good... heavens to murgatroyd.

Yes, this may come as a suprise, but nets fans care about the nets sustainable long term success... not making jeremy lin look good at the detriment of that goal.

Hope Lin doesn't ruin your 2017-18 season by tacking on too many WINs to spoil your expectation.

i have no win expectations because i dont care about wins i care about development, the rebuild and building someting sustainable. and thats up to the managment and coaches who seem to be on the same page. if we get some wins on top of that its icing on the cake. no one is going to be upset here if the nets win.... it just isnt the focus or measure of this team.

if you cared about the team and not just 1 guy you would probably be able to understand that better