Luka Doncic

[pacersGM]

just to compare the moves

Watch on YouTube

i got two messages from the moderator. 2 warnings. this seems fair since i was beeing the only one sarcastic with my responses to everybodys extremely objective and factual views on this doncic situation.

seems you got your way. i wont voice my opinion here anymore, since it is considered trolling after i am the one who is the taget of tro... i mean harmless jokes.

i decided, from now on i will award extra cloudy and hyped up posts with a +1. thats when you will know i really agree with the claims made

but one more thing before i go.... the above video comparision of the two moves is just priceless. it really made my day.
good day Sirs .... I SAID GOOD DAY

[BoardCrusher]

just to compare the moves

Watch on YouTube

i got two messages from the moderator. 2 warnings. this seems fair since i was beeing the only one sarcastic with my responses to everybodys extremely objective and factual views on this doncic situation.

seems you got your way. i wont voice my opinion here anymore, since it is considered trolling after i am the one who is the taget of tro... i mean harmless jokes.

i decided, from now on i will award extra cloudy and hyped up posts with a +1. thats when you will know i really agree with the claims made

but one more thing before i go.... the above video comparision of the two moves is just priceless. it really made my day.
good day Sirs .... I SAID GOOD DAY

dude you need to chill a bit, harden the f..k up and stop imagining youre some kind of a special snowflake.

50% of posts in last 10 pages of this thread are you trying to proove people wrong, we clealry do not share the same enthuisiasm on Doncic, but you dont see me over exaggeratedly posting/responding to you or others.

And im not the one who first compared the moves between Doncic and MJ, other Spanish, Serbian, French...., bball related sites have done it, I mearly posted the video so people dont need to search, cause the moves are quite comperable, dunk fake-hand switch in mid air.

[Ruzious]

We're not little kids here. There's a bunch of posters with maybe 100 posts telling other people how to post. Stop doing that. No more calling anyone a little girl or anything like that. Just treat people with respect. Sometimes it's hard, but do it anyway. I hate giving warnings and bannings, so please don't make me do it. Thanks.

[Mirotic12]

In the best era for point guards in NBA history Dragic is a starter and one of 3 more important players of a team that barely missed the play offs.What are we even discussing here.Spanoulis was behind John Lucas III in rockets rotation.Jasikevicius was waving towels in Warriors after a disssapointing stint with Pacers..DeColo the reigning euroleague MVP,was also a bench warmer in Spurs and Raptors..Dragic is above any euroleague "legend" because he played in the toughest league and proved that he belongs there.

Maybe for people who only know NBA, and so don't know any better.

Jasikevicius and Spanoulis are/were way, way better players than Goran Dragic is. No reason to bring up de Colo really, he's not in the same class as guys like Jasikevicius and Spanoulis - and clearly neither is Dragic. Only people that just know the NBA and nothing else about European basketball, would even mention Dragic with guys like Jasikevicius and Spanoulis.

Jiri Welsch
nikola mirotic
mario hezonja
ricky rubio
allesandro gentile
andrea bargnani
rudy fernandez
sergey karashev
fotsis
monya
kryapa
cedi osman (the 31 pick in the nba draft. no, he hasnt played in an nba game yet, no he wont matter in the nba, even if beeing groomed by euroleague clubs since the age of 13. sounds familiar?)

doncic has by 150% more hype on him then any other of the above. rubio is the exception. he had THE SAME hype! dont say now, well we all knew he couldnt shoot, he couldnt this and that. well you didnt know. thats why he was picked 5th. you discussed, just like we are today. you can say: but doncic has now a worlds better jum shot that rubio had, he rebounds, better, his iq, this and that. but i say he doesnt have enough athletic ability to make it big.

some of those were/are decent nba players, but nothing spectacular. i dont want to hear the reasons why they failed. they were drafted high, besed on potential, but failed to deliver on many of them.
will doncic be able to translate like his great play at 18 hints in the euroleague? maybe. but the odds are kinda against it of him making it big.

Are you claiming these as the best prospects in their time in Europe? I can't see why would anyone even mention Osman's name...

Rudy and Fotsis = legit real top prospects for their time in Europe.....none of the others. Mirotic maybe from a stats point, but everyone knew he was the softest big man in Europe.

[XTraderXL]

We're not little kids here. There's a bunch of posters with maybe 100 posts telling other people how to post. Stop doing that. No more calling anyone a little girl or anything like that. Just treat people with respect. Sometimes it's hard, but do it anyway. I hate giving warnings and bannings, so please don't make me do it. Thanks.

As this is directed at me, I feel I have to respond. I didnt call anyone a little girl. You should read my post again if you miss read it or didnt understand it. I said "like a little girl" which is very different from what you are claiming I said. I wanted to use a different word but that would get me banned. This board is overly sensitive if you get warned for something like this. Come on man

[Ettorefm]

Only people that just know the NBA and nothing else about European basketball, would even mention Dragic with guys like Jasikevicius and Spanoulis.

So it makes sense for you to say Dragic would not be that good in Europe because his stats were crappy at the time, but Spanoulis being a joke in the NBA means nothing?

It's impossible to take comments like these seriously. A borderline all-star NBA PG is not as good as a guy who had to stay in europe to be relevant as he couldn't handle the NBA

Jasikevicius, the NBA bust in his prime (28-30). Okay then.

Is Diamantidis a better defender than Kawhi also?

[Bob8]

Do you really think that anybody would rember Bodiroga, Spanoulis, Diamantidis..as legends in Europe, if they weren't the best players of the clubs with multiple titles and many years the best or near the best players in Europe?

Dragic sadly for him never won anything or be at least near to win anything, neither was near to the best when playing in Europe and never in his life in a good club. I wonder why that happened? He never did anything meaningful with his national team too. The same goes for Nba. Some playoffs qualification and 2 statistically very good seasons are not enough to be compared with legends. He's at this moment one of the best Pg's from Europe. But Bodiroga, Diamantidis, Spanoulis...were the best for a decade. I can understand that some people think there's no basketball outside Nba, but there's.

And there comes Doncic. Why is he so hyped? Because he's doing unprecedented things in Europe. He's not only playing great in the second best competition in the world, getting some MVP awards, but he's important factor in the big club, historically the biggest, which is fighting for the title. And all this with only 18 years. How hyped would have been Porter if he was at this moment playing in Nba playoffs and was the starter of his team? As no one before. And exactly that's happening in Europe at this moment. If Real wins and Doncic plays good, what is 2 very big ifs, euforia will go over the roof. But I agree, that won't help Doncic being better player in the future in the Nba. On the contrary, everything what is going on around Doncic will make things more difficult for him. But in the end, court will tell, if he's good enough for playing in the Nba. My point is, he is hyped for a reason, but we all know that can change very quickly.

[pacersGM]

since you were all saying my list of comparable european young talents is nonsense. read this quote from one of the best talent evaluators and draft experts and a 9 year treviso basketball camp coach: Fran Fraschilla: (translated form german)

reporter: who does doncic compare to in your opinion?

fran franschilla:
thats a good question. i cant think of a really good comparision. a collegue of mine said recently, doncic reminds him of jirji welsch, wich doesnt neccesarely isnt a good sign for lukas nba perspective (franschilla laughing). but dont forget, jirji welsch was an revolutionary talent, and that shouldnt be taken as an insult on doncic. i think he can be great if his physique develops accordingly. he has a feel for the game that you cant teach.

since i am an nobody, look what one of the premier draft experts said of one of my comparisions, wich most of you completely disregarden as an comparision to doncic.

how i came to welsh? well i seen him play live at 20 years old several times and i dint just look at his stats like most of you did when i mentioned his name, so i am not the one who thinks better of me. you took the high road on me, totaly disregarding welsh as an comparision, and in high draft expert circles it seems to be relevant. how is it possible? tell me

[Bob8]

and premier draft expert said, Doncic can be great...

[pacersGM]

and premier draft expert said, Doncic can be great...

at least you got your trolling game on point since you dont know a thing about basketball.
to others, read my post before this roll responded and give a response

[SportsGuy8]

This is eerily similar to the climate-change debate. When we have numerous experts saying that Doncic is a generational talent, a type of talent Europe hasn't seen in a long time, they're all clueless and wrong, but when one of them is slightly less thrilled about him, it's like gospel ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

[pacersGM]

This is eerily similar to the climate-change debate. When we have numerous experts saying that Doncic is a generational talent, a type of talent Europe hasn't seen in a long time, they're all clueless and wrong, but when someone is slightly less thrilled about him, it's like gospel ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

i am talking about my list of simlar talents wich you completely disregarden. leave the climate change out of it and try not do distract from a fact, an draft expert, coach thinks of a similar comparision then me please

[pacersGM]

This is eerily similar to the climate-change debate. When we have numerous experts saying that Doncic is a generational talent, a type of talent Europe hasn't seen in a long time, they're all clueless and wrong, but when someone is slightly less thrilled about him, it's like gospel ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

i am talking about my list of simlar talents wich you completely disregarden. leave the climate change out of it and try not do distract from a fact, an draft expert, coach thinks of a similar comparision then me please

your twisting the facts here again. he seems very enthust about doncic since he said he can be great. but he ALSO COMPARED HIM TO JIRJI WELSH AT THIS EARLY STAGE OF HIS CAREER. BUT WHEN I DID IT IT WAS NONSENSE.

WELL WHO KNOWS STUFF, YOU, AND ME, OR THE GUY WHO ACTUALY MAKES A LIVING OUT OF KNOWING STUFF LIKE THAT?
please tell me

[Bob8]

and premier draft expert said, Doncic can be great...

at least you got your trolling game on point since you dont know a thing about basketball.
to others, read my post before this roll responded and give a response

What's your problem? Expert said, I think he can be great if his physique develops accordingly. he has a feel for the game that you cant teach.

This's a big compliment to Doncic. Of course there is if, but there're many ifs with any prospects.

You have to understand this not thread about you, but Doncic.

[pacersGM]

and premier draft expert said, Doncic can be great...

at least you got your trolling game on point since you dont know a thing about basketball.
to others, read my post before this roll responded and give a response

What's your problem? Expert said, I think he can be great if his physique develops accordingly. he has a feel for the game that you cant teach.

This's a big compliment to Doncic. Of course there is if, but there're many ifs with any prospects.

You have to understand this not thread about you, but Doncic.

are you lost somewhere? my point isnt about doncic, but about the fact experts compared him to jirji welsh. saying welsh was an revolutionary talent. when i said it it was crap. now that i wrote that the 4x time, im interested how you will be able to manouver around the point a am trying to make with welsh /doncic? im shure you will find a way with your trolling ability.

[SportsGuy8]

We all need to listen to OURSELVES:

I give up, pacersGM is to much for me. have a nice weekend.

Same. I'm done.

i wont voice my opinion here anymore

[Bob8]

at least you got your trolling game on point since you dont know a thing about basketball.
to others, read my post before this roll responded and give a response

What's your problem? Expert said, I think he can be great if his physique develops accordingly. he has a feel for the game that you cant teach.

This's a big compliment to Doncic. Of course there is if, but there're many ifs with any prospects.

You have to understand this not thread about you, but Doncic.

are you lost somewhere? my point isnt about doncic, but about the fact experts compared him to jirji welsh. saying welsh was an revolutionary talent. when i said it it was crap. now that i wrote that the 4x time, im interested how you will be able to manouver around the point a am trying to make with welsh /doncic? im shure you will find a way with your trolling ability.

Did I say he was crap? I watched him in hala Tivoli live. And I liked him. I watched Drazen in hala Tivoli too. And Jasikeviceus and Dragic...You act very aggressive and portrait yourself as a victim. But as I said before this is thread about Doncic not you.

[pacersGM]

We all need to listen to OURSELVES:

I give up, pacersGM is to much for me. have a nice weekend.

Same. I'm done.

i wont voice my opinion here anymore

Shure take the higher ground, that way yoy dont need to respond to the doncic/welsh comp. beeing relavant. Not since i broght it up. When i quote an expert, someone who kniws what hes talking about, you wander of to climate changes and philosophy. Awesome way to respond. Factual also. Keep it up.

[Rasho Brezec]

Jiri Welsch is a good comparison. Similar playing style, similar build, although Doncic looks to be stronger. But the pre-NBA Jiri Welsch was much more of a scorer than facilitator. Tomas Satoransky is another one.

[UcanUwill]

Jiri Welsch is a good comparison. Similar playing style, similar build, although Doncic looks to be stronger. But the pre-NBA Jiri Welsch was much more of a scorer than facilitator. Tomas Satoransky is another one.

I dont think Jiri Welsch is a good comparison at all. I think Joe Ingles is much better comparison.