Snapbacks and Handshakes: The 2017 Draft (Raps pick #23)

[BoyzNTheHood]

After the combine I'm going to re-arrange my top-10(11):

1) OG Anunoby
2) Justin Jackson (MD) + Johnathan Jeanne (I think Jeanne goes in the lotto though)
3) Jordan Bell
4) Ivan Rabb
5) Wesley Iwundu
6) Anzejs Pasecniks
7) Jonah Bolden
8) Frank Mason
9) Kyle Kuzma
10) Harry Giles

I think my list is exactly like yours. I love OG but, I doubt he falls. Jeanne looked real good at the combine, I too, wouldn't be surprised if someone reached for a potential Gobert with better shooting touch in the lotto.

I love Jackson, if we were to keep Lowry/DeMar and he's developed right, we could have our poor mans Draymond in him. Shooting, length and playmaking.

Another guy I'm super high on is Bell. I truly believe if he develops some sort of shooting ability; he will be a DPOY candidate. He's tough, strong and is an amazing weak side helped defender - whether it's blocking shots or distrupting passing lanes. (I think he recorded the fastest shuttle run of all time - 2.64?) that's insane. Maybe he's the LeBron stopper we've been waiting for - joking but still. He has excellent size and lateral movement.

Yeah, I think OG goes before us, just like Jeanne, but I'll hold out hope until it happens.

The top 4 are the guys I'd be really happy with, and the rest are guys that would leave me content but not extatic.

I think Jackson is so interesting as a freakish specimen with a jumpshot. He needs to be molded correctly to become what his tools should allow him to be.

Bell is so interesting as well. He'll be a guy who guards 1-5 in the NBA and can switch anything. You'll probably never have to worry about him defensively. As long as he adds a jumper to his game he'll be in the NBA for a long time and make a ton of money.

[ATLTimekeeper]

I am not sold on DeLon Wright (and FVV)
As a UNC guy, I am always suspicious of players coming out of Duke. but If a Frank Jackson is available that late: you go for him.

Kyle Kuzma name coming up at that range, can we really go for another Utah Utes, at this point?
Has Krystkowiak proven to be a future star NBA player developer?
Our first two have not impacted our Franchise yet in any way, Poeltl is certainly not the next Pau Gasol as some were claiming and Delon is just one year younger than Cojo.

You can't judge a guy by what some were claiming. The next Pau Gasol wouldn't go 9th in any draft. He went 3rd in his own Back when taking Euros was a huge no no.

That's not the point. Plus Pau was actually an accomplished player as a super Euro Prospect. was Poeltl?
Brook Lopez was drafted 10th and can score 20 easily and now has a 3 on top of that, with that massive length of his. Poeltl is certainly not the next Brook Lopez.
What has Krystkowiak proved?

Scouts and execs weren't lining up comparing Poeltl to Pau Gasol, so don't bring it up as a reason to dismiss Krystkowiak. The guy hasn't proved anything because the only drafted players he's had have just entered the league.

You're right to doubt Duke players, because there's a lengthy history of coach K flops. The best player taken post lottery from Duke was Carlos Boozer. The next best career after that was Chris Duhon (Hood will likely eclipse him, but still).

[raptor jesus]

I am not sold on DeLon Wright (and FVV)
As a UNC guy, I am always suspicious of players coming out of Duke. but If a Frank Jackson is available that late: you go for him.

Kyle Kuzma name coming up at that range, can we really go for another Utah Utes, at this point?
Has Krystkowiak proven to be a future star NBA player developer?
Our first two have not impacted our Franchise yet in any way, Poeltl is certainly not the next Pau Gasol as some were claiming and Delon is just one year younger than Cojo.

You can't judge a guy by what some were claiming. The next Pau Gasol wouldn't go 9th in any draft. He went 3rd in his own Back when taking Euros was a huge no no.

That's not the point. Plus Pau was actually an accomplished player as a super Euro Prospect. was Poeltl?
Brook Lopez was drafted 10th and can score 20 easily and now has a 3 on top of that, with that massive length of his. Poeltl is certainly not the next Brook Lopez.
What has Krystkowiak proved?

Most bigs from Europe get saddled with that comparison out of laziness - JV did as well.

And you're basing prospects on their coaches? Outside of Steph Curry, how many prospects has Bob Mckillop developed? Who was Lillard's coach at Weber State? PG's at Frenso State? Giannis' in Div 2 in Greece?

[ash_k]

You can't judge a guy by what some were claiming. The next Pau Gasol wouldn't go 9th in any draft. He went 3rd in his own Back when taking Euros was a huge no no.

That's not the point. Plus Pau was actually an accomplished player as a super Euro Prospect. was Poeltl?
Brook Lopez was drafted 10th and can score 20 easily and now has a 3 on top of that, with that massive length of his. Poeltl is certainly not the next Brook Lopez.
What has Krystkowiak proved?

Most bigs from Europe get saddled with that comparison out of laziness - JV did as well.

And you're basing prospects on their coaches? Outside of Steph Curry, how many prospects has Bob Mckillop developed? Who was Lillard's coach at Weber State? PG's at Frenso State? Giannis' in Div 2 in Greece?

You do know that Krystkowiak actually played and coached in the NBA, right? - long history,

[raptor jesus]

That's not the point. Plus Pau was actually an accomplished player as a super Euro Prospect. was Poeltl?
Brook Lopez was drafted 10th and can score 20 easily and now has a 3 on top of that, with that massive length of his. Poeltl is certainly not the next Brook Lopez.
What has Krystkowiak proved?

Most bigs from Europe get saddled with that comparison out of laziness - JV did as well.

And you're basing prospects on their coaches? Outside of Steph Curry, how many prospects has Bob Mckillop developed? Who was Lillard's coach at Weber State? PG's at Frenso State? Giannis' in Div 2 in Greece?

You do know that Krystkowiak actually played and coached in the NBA, right? - long history,

Yes, so what? Again, you're making the argument that you'd pass on players based on the track record of their coaches, which is probably the worst scouting approach I've ever heard.

[ash_k]

Most bigs from Europe get saddled with that comparison out of laziness - JV did as well.

And you're basing prospects on their coaches? Outside of Steph Curry, how many prospects has Bob Mckillop developed? Who was Lillard's coach at Weber State? PG's at Frenso State? Giannis' in Div 2 in Greece?

You do know that Krystkowiak actually played and coached in the NBA, right? - long history,

Yes, so what? Again, you're making the argument that you'd pass on players based on the track record of their coaches, which is probably the worst scouting approach I've ever heard.

You are obvioulsy not fully aware of Krystkowiak's reputation. That's fine.
Plus they tried to sale that rep even more with us, with the selections of Delon and Poeltl.
At our range (23), the name of Kyle Kuzma has popped up: At this point, can we really go for another Utah Utes?
Has Krystkowiak proven to be that future 'NBA star player" developer ?
Though I will never fully trust Duke, if Frank Jackson is still around. We should go for him as I am not sold on Delon Wright.

[raptor jesus]

You do know that Krystkowiak actually played and coached in the NBA, right? - long history,

Yes, so what? Again, you're making the argument that you'd pass on players based on the track record of their coaches, which is probably the worst scouting approach I've ever heard.

You are obvioulsy not fully aware of Krystkowiak's reputation. That's fine.
Plus they tried to sale that rep even more with us, with the selections of Delon and Poeltl.
At our range (23), the name of Kyle Kuzma has popped up: At this point, can we really go for another Utah Utes?
Has Krystkowiak proven to be that future 'NBA star player" developer ?Though I will never fully trust Duke, if Frank Jackson is still around. We should go for him as I am not sold on Delon Wright.

Was Keith Dambrot a known 'NBA star player' developer before Lebron? Now nobody is saying Kuzma is going to be a star - quite the contrary - my point is that it takes talent to produce it. Please tell me, who are these top recruits choosing Utah year in year out? Wright and Poeltl were on nobody's radar before showing up at Utah, and both went in the 1st round (Poeltl in the lottery). That's not too bad. But again, star players aren't just manufactured out of nothing by these college coaches like you seem to suggest. Sure, they can be fostered in the right environment, but ultimately it's the players' talent level that is the truest factor.

[super_balls]

You can't judge a guy by what some were claiming. The next Pau Gasol wouldn't go 9th in any draft. He went 3rd in his own Back when taking Euros was a huge no no.

That's not the point. Plus Pau was actually an accomplished player as a super Euro Prospect. was Poeltl?
Brook Lopez was drafted 10th and can score 20 easily and now has a 3 on top of that, with that massive length of his. Poeltl is certainly not the next Brook Lopez.
What has Krystkowiak proved?

Scouts and execs weren't lining up comparing Poeltl to Pau Gasol, so don't bring it up as a reason to dismiss Krystkowiak. The guy hasn't proved anything because the only drafted players he's had have just entered the league.

You're right to doubt Duke players, because there's a lengthy history of coach K flops. The best player taken post lottery from Duke was Carlos Boozer. The next best career after that was Chris Duhon (Hood will likely eclipse him, but still).

I'm actually really high on Frank Jackson, but I like like Delon and I think he can be a solid player. If we were to draft BPA and Frank is the one. I'm all for it. I think he's games translate better to the NBA. He has solid size and athletism for a PG. I see him as basically a younger Brogdon.

[super_balls]

You can't judge a guy by what some were claiming. The next Pau Gasol wouldn't go 9th in any draft. He went 3rd in his own Back when taking Euros was a huge no no.

That's not the point. Plus Pau was actually an accomplished player as a super Euro Prospect. was Poeltl?
Brook Lopez was drafted 10th and can score 20 easily and now has a 3 on top of that, with that massive length of his. Poeltl is certainly not the next Brook Lopez.
What has Krystkowiak proved?

Scouts and execs weren't lining up comparing Poeltl to Pau Gasol, so don't bring it up as a reason to dismiss Krystkowiak. The guy hasn't proved anything because the only drafted players he's had have just entered the league.

You're right to doubt Duke players, because there's a lengthy history of coach K flops. The best player taken post lottery from Duke was Carlos Boozer. The next best career after that was Chris Duhon (Hood will likely eclipse him, but still).

I'm actually really high on Frank Jackson, but I like like Delon and I think he can be a solid player. If we were to draft BPA and Frank is the one. I'm all for it. I think he's games translate better to the NBA. He has solid size and athletism for a PG. I see him as basically a younger Brogdon.

[ash_k]

Yes, so what? Again, you're making the argument that you'd pass on players based on the track record of their coaches, which is probably the worst scouting approach I've ever heard.

You are obvioulsy not fully aware of Krystkowiak's reputation. That's fine.
Plus they tried to sale that rep even more with us, with the selections of Delon and Poeltl.
At our range (23), the name of Kyle Kuzma has popped up: At this point, can we really go for another Utah Utes?
Has Krystkowiak proven to be that future 'NBA star player" developer ?Though I will never fully trust Duke, if Frank Jackson is still around. We should go for him as I am not sold on Delon Wright.

Was Keith Dambrot a known 'NBA star player' developer before Lebron? Now nobody is saying Kuzma is going to be a star - quite the contrary - my point is that it takes talent to produce it. Please tell me, who are these top recruits choosing Utah year in year out? Wright and Poeltl were on nobody's radar before showing up at Utah, and both went in the 1st round (Poeltl in the lottery). That's not too bad. But again, star players aren't just manufactured out of nothing by these college coaches like you seem to suggest. Sure, they can be fostered in the right environment, but ultimately it's the players' talent level that is the truest factor.

Not sure what you bring up those names
Note: Keith Dambrot, Bob McKillop, Giannis' 2nd Div coach, etc have never played in the NBA(9 years) and never coached for multiple years (4/5 years) in that league like Krystkowiak.

Based on that history, we have heard "he is a 'NBA star player' developer" though we have yet to see any proof of it.
I will prefer to look somewhere else, if Kuzma is in consideration. Like a Frank Jackson or other prospects.

[ash_k]

That's not the point. Plus Pau was actually an accomplished player as a super Euro Prospect. was Poeltl?
Brook Lopez was drafted 10th and can score 20 easily and now has a 3 on top of that, with that massive length of his. Poeltl is certainly not the next Brook Lopez.
What has Krystkowiak proved?

Scouts and execs weren't lining up comparing Poeltl to Pau Gasol, so don't bring it up as a reason to dismiss Krystkowiak. The guy hasn't proved anything because the only drafted players he's had have just entered the league.

You're right to doubt Duke players, because there's a lengthy history of coach K flops. The best player taken post lottery from Duke was Carlos Boozer. The next best career after that was Chris Duhon (Hood will likely eclipse him, but still).

I'm actually really high on Frank Jackson, but I like like Delon and I think he can be a solid player. If we were to draft BPA and Frank is the one. I'm all for it. I think he's games translate better to the NBA. He has solid size and athletism for a PG. I see him as basically a younger Brogdon.

Delon is 1992 vs Frank Johnson 1998.
At this point, Delon is not even close to Brodgon (Bigger body with a 3pt shot) both born in 1992
WE certainly should not be attached to Delon

[OAKLEY_2]

Question: why isn't Leaf in the conversation? People keep mentioning bubble second rounders and this stretch 4 potential dynamo gets ignored. Kid has serious skills. If Pat bolts as expected I would be looking hard at this guy.

Skilled for sure, but he comes with major red flags on the defensive end imo. Like, he almost reminds me of Bargs defensively, except slower.

Except Leaf has guard skills and will never posterize himself with a head first arm busting epic dunk fail.

[OAKLEY_2]

Scouts and execs weren't lining up comparing Poeltl to Pau Gasol, so don't bring it up as a reason to dismiss Krystkowiak. The guy hasn't proved anything because the only drafted players he's had have just entered the league.

You're right to doubt Duke players, because there's a lengthy history of coach K flops. The best player taken post lottery from Duke was Carlos Boozer. The next best career after that was Chris Duhon (Hood will likely eclipse him, but still).

I'm actually really high on Frank Jackson, but I like like Delon and I think he can be a solid player. If we were to draft BPA and Frank is the one. I'm all for it. I think he's games translate better to the NBA. He has solid size and athletism for a PG. I see him as basically a younger Brogdon.

Delon is 1992 vs Frank Johnson 1998.
At this point, Delon is not even close to Brodgon (Bigger body with a 3pt shot) both born in 1992
WE certainly should not be attached to Delon

We've hardly sampled Delon and when we have he looks pretty decent as a swing guard.

[RaptorsLife]

Tj leaf was helped alot by lonzo ball passing and his measurements awful

[ATLTimekeeper]

Has Krystkowiak proven to be that future 'NBA star player" developer ?
Though I will never fully trust Duke, if Frank Jackson is still around. We should go for him as I am not sold on Delon Wright.

No college or college coach is known to produce stars past the lottery. UNC's best player taken after the first round is Rick Fox, in it's entire history. Coach Cal at Kentucky has only had Bledsoe work out. I already mentioned Coach K's horrid results. The best UCLA Bruin ever, after the lottery was probably Jrue Holiday or a journeyman like Trevor Ariza.

If you take a look at the post lottery picks since the league implemented the lottery, there's no pattern. Occasionally a college will produce two stars within a span of 5 years. I don't even care about Kuzma and don't think he'll be a star, but looking at where they played is almost irrelevant in terms of their star potential.

[ash_k]

I'm actually really high on Frank Jackson, but I like like Delon and I think he can be a solid player. If we were to draft BPA and Frank is the one. I'm all for it. I think he's games translate better to the NBA. He has solid size and athletism for a PG. I see him as basically a younger Brogdon.

Delon is 1992 vs Frank Johnson 1998.
At this point, Delon is not even close to Brodgon (Bigger body with a 3pt shot) both born in 1992
WE certainly should not be attached to Delon

We've hardly sampled Delon and when we have he looks pretty decent as a swing guard.

Decent eh, while Malcom could be the ROY starting on a playoff team.

I hope Delon comes back with a 3 and bigger body. He should be tradebait, right now.

[OAKLEY_2]

Raps raved about Brogdan in workouts but for whatever reason he didn't resonate where they were picking. The same way the Raps raved about Kawhi but ultimately backed off. Delon may never be as good as Brogdan but he projects to be a decent point guard. Joseph is the one I am not sold on.

[HeadtopChunes]

Raps raved about Brogdan in workouts but for whatever reason he didn't resonate where they were picking. The same way the Raps raved about Kawhi but ultimately backed off. Delon may never be as good as Brogdan but he projects to be a decent point guard. Joseph is the one I am not sold on.

If Lowry stays Joseph is probably getting traded. We can get some great value from him given how he performed in the playoffs. Delon is good enough to be a backup. I'm interested to see how the coaching situation shakes out because ideally you want that taken care of before the draft.

[RaptorsNorth]

I don't see how we can keep our pick in the draft unless we plan to trade our pick and a player to move up in the draft and grab a player that can produce right away. This team already has a bunch of you guys eating up roster spots and hardly playing. This pick is as good as gone in a trade in if we can't move up in the draft. We already got norm, delon, fred, pascal, jakob, bruno and bebe all eating up roster spots and hardly playing.

[CoachJReturns]

I am not sold on DeLon Wright (and FVV)
As a UNC guy, I am always suspicious of players coming out of Duke. but If a Frank Jackson is available that late: you go for him.

Kyle Kuzma name coming up at that range, can we really go for another Utah Utes, at this point?
Has Krystkowiak proven to be a future star NBA player developer?
Our first two have not impacted our Franchise yet in any way, Poeltl is certainly not the next Pau Gasol as some were claiming and Delon is just one year younger than Cojo.

You can't judge a guy by what some were claiming. The next Pau Gasol wouldn't go 9th in any draft. He went 3rd in his own Back when taking Euros was a huge no no.

That's not the point. Plus Pau was actually an accomplished player as a super Euro Prospect. was Poeltl?
Brook Lopez was drafted 10th and can score 20 easily and now has a 3 on top of that, with that massive length of his. Poeltl is certainly not the next Brook Lopez.
What has Krystkowiak proved?

For what it's worth, Poeltl's best comparison is still a quicker Bogus with worse rebounding. He's going to be a solid role playing starting center, but it's hard to see him becoming a big scorer, particularly on this team that so strongly empbasizes the scoring of its guards.

Delon is a backup point guard. If he ever becomes a starter he'd be a role plaging one most likely. Sort of lIke Alvin Williams and Eric Snow.

And I could care less who coached a guy in college because there are only a few programs that ever turn out above average NBA players consistently.