Would you be more or less impressed if Jordan was 6-2 in the finals?

[bwgood77]

Very strange that more than half of the people who voted thinks it was more impressive for Jordan to lose to Detroit in the ECF twice than beat them.

If somehow Kawhi Leonard went insane and led the Spurs to upset the Warriors but then lost in the finals, it's strange that more than half would consider it to be more impressive had he lost, knowing he would have lost in the finals anyway.

[INKtastic]

I think people who vote 6-0 are delusional or just lemmings.

Let's finish 3rd/4th instead of 2nd because 6-0! Is all people care about!

I cant take you serious or believe you are being objective because your avatar is Lebron James turning into a super sayian. You might have some bias sir. Would you feel the same if Lebron was winning all those rings in Miami?

Either way...the the 6-0 is more about once Jordan became a champion he took control of the league and no one challenged him period. No one but some serious rockets fans feel like Houston could have stood up to the Bulls with Jordan. Lebron has been to the mountain top a lot and come home empty handed. Once Jordan ascended to the top, only baseball was able to dethrone him (or his gambling suspension). This is why most of us consider him the greatest of all time... when Lebrons all done...lets have a conversation about GOAT. Btw...if its just rings...its not jordan anyway...and the GOAT IS Jordan...for now

LeBron has lost twice since he started winning, both years he was spectacular, the team around him had major injury issues. Does anyone think Jordan wins if both Pippen and Rodman get injured by game 1 of the finals?

[pwrshft99]

Very strange that more than half of the people who voted thinks it was more impressive for Jordan to lose to Detroit in the ECF twice than beat them.

If somehow Kawhi Leonard went insane and led the Spurs to upset the Warriors but then lost in the finals, it's strange that more than half would consider it to be more impressive had he lost, knowing he would have lost in the finals anyway.

To me, Jordan's career was storybook and that plays a part in his legacy. It was the Bad Boys holding MJ back and once he broke thru, no one stopped him again except father time. No one cares about the first and second round, only a few more dedicated fans remember conference finals matchup. Its about the championship and once Jordan got to compete for the championship, he didn't lose.

[Black star]

Very strange that more than half of the people who voted thinks it was more impressive for Jordan to lose to Detroit in the ECF twice than beat them.

Yes valuing narratives highly in a entertainment driven sport is simply ridiculous. Why try to add wonder and mystery to a game?

[Pure_Basketball]

Yeah less, it's nice to get to the finals alot of times but I'm sorry it loses value when you lose. Being whatever and 0 means every time you went you lead your team to victory and that means more.

But you couldn't lead your team to the series win earlier in the playoffs? This line of thinking is so moronic, but the herds of sheep all just take it and run with it.

[OdomFan]

Very strange that more than half of the people who voted thinks it was more impressive for Jordan to lose to Detroit in the ECF twice than beat them.

If somehow Kawhi Leonard went insane and led the Spurs to upset the Warriors but then lost in the finals, it's strange that more than half would consider it to be more impressive had he lost, knowing he would have lost in the finals anyway.

To me, Jordan's career was storybook and that plays a part in his legacy. It was the Bad Boys holding MJ back and once he broke thru, no one stopped him again except father time. No one cares about the first and second round, only a few more dedicated fans remember conference finals matchup. Its about the championship and once Jordan got to compete for the championship, he didn't lose.

This is very true. Without those losses the Bulls never get that fire under them to do what they did through out the 90s. It saddens me that all majority of people look at now are stats and such. They forget about the little things like what you've brought up here.

[pwrshft99]

I think people who vote 6-0 are delusional or just lemmings.

Let's finish 3rd/4th instead of 2nd because 6-0! Is all people care about!

I cant take you serious or believe you are being objective because your avatar is Lebron James turning into a super sayian. You might have some bias sir. Would you feel the same if Lebron was winning all those rings in Miami?

Either way...the the 6-0 is more about once Jordan became a champion he took control of the league and no one challenged him period. No one but some serious rockets fans feel like Houston could have stood up to the Bulls with Jordan.

but he lost to orlando magic in 1995, jordan's record after he took control of the league is 6-1, I mean I get it its accomplishment that wont be repeated for a long time. But people talking like Jordan was 6-0 in his era, he shouldn't have come back for that middle of season then. It's not a flawless record. Everyone trying to forget that jordan #45

It is common knowledge that the season Jordan came out of retirement he was far from peak basketball condition. 17 (?) Regular season games and the playoffs, without a serviceable PF. 1995 is not representative of a Jordan Bulls team.

[bwgood77]

Very strange that more than half of the people who voted thinks it was more impressive for Jordan to lose to Detroit in the ECF twice than beat them.

If somehow Kawhi Leonard went insane and led the Spurs to upset the Warriors but then lost in the finals, it's strange that more than half would consider it to be more impressive had he lost, knowing he would have lost in the finals anyway.

To me, Jordan's career was storybook and that plays a part in his legacy. It was the Bad Boys holding MJ back and once he broke thru, no one stopped him again except father time. No one cares about the first and second round, only a few more dedicated fans remember conference finals matchup. Its about the championship and once Jordan got to compete for the championship, he didn't lose.

Nah, he came back for the last month of the 94-95 season and playoffs but got knocked out by Magic and Penny.

[Patches Perry]

Are people under the impression that in years Jordan didn't make the finals, that he didn't lose?

[ShazamDaShiznt]

I cant take you serious or believe you are being objective because your avatar is Lebron James turning into a super sayian. You might have some bias sir. Would you feel the same if Lebron was winning all those rings in Miami?

Either way...the the 6-0 is more about once Jordan became a champion he took control of the league and no one challenged him period. No one but some serious rockets fans feel like Houston could have stood up to the Bulls with Jordan.

but he lost to orlando magic in 1995, jordan's record after he took control of the league is 6-1, I mean I get it its accomplishment that wont be repeated for a long time. But people talking like Jordan was 6-0 in his era, he shouldn't have come back for that middle of season then. It's not a flawless record. Everyone trying to forget that jordan #45

It is common knowledge that the season Jordan came out of retirement he was far from peak basketball condition. 17 (?) Regular season games and the playoffs, without a serviceable PF. 1995 is not representative of a Jordan Bulls team.

it is representive because he was playing in the playoffs fighting for that championship. Imagine scenario where 95 bulls somehow won with jordan they would obviously consider that year as one of the jordan bulls era teams. But since he didnt win it's the excuse of him coming back not in peak shape. Well he should have waited for 95-96 season then. The record is not flawless.

[Mylie10]

Very strange that more than half of the people who voted thinks it was more impressive for Jordan to lose to Detroit in the ECF twice than beat them.

If somehow Kawhi Leonard went insane and led the Spurs to upset the Warriors but then lost in the finals, it's strange that more than half would consider it to be more impressive had he lost, knowing he would have lost in the finals anyway.

To me, Jordan's career was storybook and that plays a part in his legacy. It was the Bad Boys holding MJ back and once he broke thru, no one stopped him again except father time. No one cares about the first and second round, only a few more dedicated fans remember conference finals matchup. Its about the championship and once Jordan got to compete for the championship, he didn't lose.

Nah, he came back for the last month of the 94-95 season and playoffs but got knocked out by Magic and Penny.

Never mind edit lol

[CobraCommander]

I cant take you serious or believe you are being objective because your avatar is Lebron James turning into a super sayian. You might have some bias sir. Would you feel the same if Lebron was winning all those rings in Miami?

Either way...the the 6-0 is more about once Jordan became a champion he took control of the league and no one challenged him period. No one but some serious rockets fans feel like Houston could have stood up to the Bulls with Jordan.

but he lost to orlando magic in 1995, jordan's record after he took control of the league is 6-1, I mean I get it its accomplishment that wont be repeated for a long time. But people talking like Jordan was 6-0 in his era, he shouldn't have come back for that middle of season then. It's not a flawless record. Everyone trying to forget that jordan #45

It is common knowledge that the season Jordan came out of retirement he was far from peak basketball condition. 17 (?) Regular season games and the playoffs, without a serviceable PF. 1995 is not representative of a Jordan Bulls team.

Obviously - wow it's interesting that people are considering that peak Jordan. Ok for the sake of argument for people that didn't watch - Jordan wearing the 45 isn't on the level of Lebron wearing the 23. But MJ at the peak of his powers had a better career than Lebron so far by all objective measures. Btw guys - Jordan's 30points career avg includes the wizards years...


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[Patches Perry]

I'm kind of shocked right now. I'm going to be re-thinking my next drawn out argument on the GB. This polls represents a big-time failure on the people who post here. Geez.

Whats better:
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B)
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[Jedi32]

Yeah less, it's nice to get to the finals alot of times but I'm sorry it loses value when you lose. Being whatever and 0 means every time you went you lead your team to victory and that means more.

But you couldn't lead your team to the series win earlier in the playoffs? This line of thinking is so moronic, but the herds of sheep all just take it and run with it.

Smh is it really this hard to grasp how folks could believe 6-0 is greater than 6-2? wow!!!

[KungFuJoe]

Logically, of course 6-2 is more impressive than 6-0.

But this requires a ton of context.

First of all...it's not like we're discussing 2-0 vs 2-2. 6-0 is damn impressive in itself. 6-2 is like 73 vs 70 wins. They're both damn good.

But the perfect record adds to the MJ mystique. That he was never beaten at the top stage...when everything was on the line.

In itself 6-0 vs 6-2 doesn't mean all that much. But in the context of MJ's greatness...the way people worshipped him along with admiring his on court skills. How kids wanted to "Be Like Mike"....when I think of it in those terms...

6-0 is more impressive than 6-2.

[Moochthemonkey]

Very strange that more than half of the people who voted thinks it was more impressive for Jordan to lose to Detroit in the ECF twice than beat them.

If somehow Kawhi Leonard went insane and led the Spurs to upset the Warriors but then lost in the finals, it's strange that more than half would consider it to be more impressive had he lost, knowing he would have lost in the finals anyway.

this, some of the reasoning here is illogical to me.

the image of being "unbeatable" is mostly vanity and furthermore false: Jordan was beatable in the years that he never made the finals. I don't see why a loss in a later round is more damaging to your legacy than a loss in an earlier round; being 2 out of 30 (27-29 back then) teams to reach the finals should be seen as a huge net success in and of itself, regardless of the end result.

Was the Mavs loss in the '06 finals more damaging than the first round upset in the following year?
If Lebron was 3-1 opposed to 3-4, would that make him a less impressive player? I cannot agree with the board's consensus on that one. Part of what makes his run so amazing is that he's gone to the finals six (likely 7) straight years which is a tremendous feat in and of itself.

although Lebron's HOF is under question: he clearly cannot win a finals without James Jones

[Tim_Hardawayy]

I like the logic vs narrative argument in this thread. The truth is many sports narratives are illogical at their core, and this is one of those examples.

Anyways, I agree it really depends how he plays. I know this is also referencing LeBron, and the bottom line is its fair for people to trash him for being terrible in 2 of his 4 Finals losses. 2007 maybe you could argue he was lucky to even be there, but in that case is it fair to credit him for getting there in a terrible conference? But 2011 no excuses, he played awful.

So if MJ were 6-2 in the Finals and the 2 were both poor performances where he let his team down, that would be more of a negative than say, the way he went out swinging against the Pistons, and played well for the most part but just couldn't finish them off.

[Moochthemonkey]

I'm kind of shocked right now. I'm going to be re-thinking my next drawn out argument on the GB. This polls represents a big-time failure on the people who post here. Geez.

Whats better:
A)
1st
1st
1st
1st
1st
1st
2nd
2nd

B)
1st
1st
1st
1st
1st
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kek

[mysticOscar]

I dont know...but judging from recent arguments from anti Jordan posters it would help because if Jordan was able to avenge these 2 losses....then he would have beaten a championship team in the 90s.

As such...Jordan never really beat a championship team since they werent any good championship teams around in the 90s that the Bulls faced in the finals.apparantley.

[Tai]

Logically, of course 6-2 is more impressive than 6-0.

But this requires a ton of context.

First of all...it's not like we're discussing 2-0 vs 2-2. 6-0 is damn impressive in itself. 6-2 is like 73 vs 70 wins. They're both damn good.

But the perfect record adds to the MJ mystique. That he was never beaten at the top stage...when everything was on the line.

In itself 6-0 vs 6-2 doesn't mean all that much. But in the context of MJ's greatness...the way people worshipped him along with admiring his on court skills. How kids wanted to "Be Like Mike"....when I think of it in those terms...

6-0 is more impressive than 6-2.

Look man, I love MJ and remember those commercials too.....but jeez. Doesn't this prove it?

6-0 is only impressive cause it meant Nike got to churn more out of the hype machine for Mike?

All I feel this topic proves is to not underestimate the power of marketing.