Randolph is A TERRIBLE Manager

[Jose7]

Sosa is getting BEAT UP badly and he stills leaves him in. Now a 5 run 4th Randolph still has him in there, what an idiot. I really hope we bring in a new manager, hopefully Girardi.

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[Manhattan Project]

Honestly every player would turn on the manager if they never showed any faith in them. Sosa sure he got hit, but I would have done the same thing. We have to many fans that come to knee-jerk reactions.

[Jose7]

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you flop like the wind does.

willy is here to stay

I'm now convinced he has TO Go. I've just seen too many crappy decisions.

Get Girardi in here.

[vincanityisdagr8est]

I think he does have a tendency to make bad baseball decisions, but you does command the respect of his players which is very I think in today's game with all these high priced players.

[Jose7]

Yeah, he has the ability to get guys, sit them down and he is a good communicator but he is a less then average in game decision maker.

[mets87]

well, which is more important? being able to talk to your players or...manage a baseball game?

hmmmm

[bringinhinkie]

hes so terrible we made it within 1 game of the ws last year.. hes so terrible were still in first yet weve been raped with injuries and slumping players.. hes so terrible yet almost all of our youngins have prospered (wright,reyes,gotay,maine,perez,gomez,milledge,etcetc). willie manages for the long haul, we all knmow that, he uses the season to groom his players for the post season. he uses guys in spots that may be questionable so he knows for the POSTSEASON.. he does not give up quick on players and gives everyone a chance to prove themselves and it has paid off. obviously his management of the starters and bullpens has not been spectacular by any means, but he has WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more pros than cons.. sh*t we dont win the NL for like 12-13 years, then we win it, and are in 1st this year and you wont him gone? holy sh*t u gotta be kidding

[Jose7]

hes so terrible we made it within 1 game of the ws last year.. hes so terrible were still in first yet weve been raped with injuries and slumping players.. hes so terrible yet almost all of our youngins have prospered (wright,reyes,gotay,maine,perez,gomez,milledge,etcetc). willie manages for the long haul, we all knmow that, he uses the season to groom his players for the post season. he uses guys in spots that may be questionable so he knows for the POSTSEASON.. he does not give up quick on players and gives everyone a chance to prove themselves and it has paid off. obviously his management of the starters and bullpens has not been spectacular by any means, but he has WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more pros than cons.. sh*t we dont win the NL for like 12-13 years, then we win it, and are in 1st this year and you wont him gone? holy sh*t u gotta be kidding

we win more on our talent then his putrid managerial skills.

[vincanityisdagr8est]

well, which is more important? being able to talk to your players or...manage a baseball game?

hmmmm

Art Howe managed baseball games, how did that turn out???

[krustytheclown]

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Art Howe managed baseball games, how did that turn out???

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[Jose7]

Props to Randolph for his in game managing today. Still dont like him.

Wagner bailed Green out.

[mets87]

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Art Howe managed baseball games, how did that turn out???

yeah uh check out the amazing* teams he got to manage.










***** awful

[vincanityisdagr8est]

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yeah uh check out the amazing* teams he got to manage.










***** awful

Uhh same as the one Wille inherited the following year with the exception of Beltran and Pedro. Pedro was great but Beltran was awful in that first year. And I am being kind about Beltran.

[vincanityisdagr8est]

Yes I do admit Willie makes bad game time, until he wins a WC with the Mets I will never forgive him for pinch hitting Floyd and not asking him to bunt last year in the NLCS game 7.

But in this day and age I do think you need a manager who command the respect of his players. Think about it, Reyes didn't run hard to first on 3 different occasions. Willie let it slide the first time, then benched him the next 2 times. This is a superstar SS, our future. Art Howe would never do such a thing.
I remember in the Cub game, the one in which the Mets scored 5 in the 9th to win. He let an inexperienced guy like Gotay bat with .170 batting ave, and Gotay came through. Look what Gotay has been doing since. Art Howe would've never given Gotay an oppurtunity in a situation like that.

I don't like some of Willie's game decisions, but the guy has guts. If Art howe was managing I bet he would bring in Scott Schoeneweis every opportunity he had despite Schoeneweis' struggles. Willie's doesn't even though Schoeneweis got the multiyear guaranteed money.

[mets87]

i'm confused as to why you keep bringing up art howe. did i say i'd rather have art howe?(for the record, i'd do anything to have jim leyland, but whatever) art howe was a terrible manager in his own right. they're both mediocre managers. if you REALLY think crap like "clubhouse chemistry" means a damn thing then you haven't played sports at a high level. it means nothing. the only thing that matters is the skill of the players on the team and the ability of the coach/manager to make the right in-game decisiosn. if "respect" for the coach has anything to do with it at all, and i can assure you it has little, the respect the players have for their coach comes from seeing that the coach knows what the **** he/she is doing, not from being a nice guy to the players.

[vincanityisdagr8est]

i'm confused as to why you keep bringing up art howe. did i say i'd rather have art howe?(for the record, i'd do anything to have jim leyland, but whatever) art howe was a terrible manager in his own right. they're both mediocre managers. if you REALLY think crap like "clubhouse chemistry" means a damn thing then you haven't played sports at a high level. it means nothing. the only thing that matters is the skill of the players on the team and the ability of the coach/manager to make the right in-game decisiosn. if "respect" for the coach has anything to do with it at all, and i can assure you it has little, the respect the players have for their coach comes from seeing that the coach knows what the **** he/she is doing, not from being a nice guy to the players.

Ohh really, in that case the Yankees should be winning the WC every year.

How do you explain the 02 Angels, 03 Marlins, 05 Whitesox, 06 Cardinals???? Angels won with nobody. Vlad wasn't on that team. Marlins beat the Yankees in 6 games. the 05 Whitesox won with the rookie manager, and the one HOF on that team missed the whole post season.

You are wrong, chemistry does matter when you are dealing with high priced, pampered athlethes. Not just athletes, it matters in every job. If you and a co worker started working for a company at the same time. You guys do the same exact work yet if he gets more recognition, are you telling me you're gonna be happy and continue to work as hard as you did before?

[mets87]

the playoffs are a crapshoot. any team can get hot in the playoffs and win. and why should the yankees win every year? they may have the best offense, sure, but they haven't had the best pitching in a long time.

and here's jim leyland on "clubhouse chemistry" (he's the best manager in baseball, fyi)

[vincanityisdagr8est]

Now you are saying playoffs are a crapshoot??? Then how do you explain the Cards, they stumbled into the playoffs, won in 7 against the Mets, then EMBARRACED your buddy Leyland. And you said "the only thing that matters is the skill of the players on the team and the ability of the coach/manager to make the right in-game decision". Yankees should have won in 01, 02, 03. when they had EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE.

As for Leyland, I don't understand why you continue to bring him up he is not the second coming of Miller Huggins or Casey Stengel. He is not even as good as Cox, Larussa, even Torre. The only WC he won was when his owner had to literally buy for him.

As for Willie, the hiring of Willie was an economical decision for the Mets. It was a low risk, high reward deal. THey were stuck pay $15 mil for the remainder of Howe's contract and I think they had a year left on Valentine's deal. It made sense to sign Willie, 3 year 1.8 mil. If he struggled and they had to let him go, they wouldn't have to eat a lot of money. And so far it has worked out. They won the divison last and came 1 game from reaching the WC. If they signed Leyland, they would've had to give him a multi year deal worth 6+ mil per year, and who is to say he wouldn't have just left after 1 year like he did with Colorado.

And as for that quote by Leyland, yea he won 3 DIVISION TITLES, NOT WCS. Even Art howe, who you said is a mediocre manager won multiple division titles. Ofcourse talent is important, I never said it wasn't. Talent is the most important thing, but talent can get you so far. After that it takes things like chemistry, team work and good managerial decisions to make things work.

I think the biggest problem with willie is he learned from Joe Torre and the yankees and he has been of some great come from behinds and miracle wins. In which Joe TOrre made decisions from his gut, rather than your typicals once. And the problem is Willie is trying to do the same. I do hope ultimately he learns and gets better. You have to remember he is in his 3rd year as a manager of a baseball team.

[randomhero423]

Willie's doing just fine. Second guessing a manager's desicion (s) happens with EVERY manager. It's just less of a "probelm" when you win a game. He handles personalities great, and there's no stat to prove it.