Snapbacks and Handshakes: The 2017 Draft (Raps pick #23)

[vanhill]

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Bam Adabeyo
Height: 6'10" (208 cm) Weight: 250 lbs (113 kg)
38,5 inches vertical
he just play like dwight howard.That makes Siakam expandable.

Terrence ferguson is pretty good too.
athletic with good range

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[vanhill]

Swanigan does have a 7'3'' wingspan and a 9'0'' standing reach, so he may be able to contest shots. He'll need to lose some more weight to be able to defend the P'n'R though.

The thing I like about Swanigan is his ability to pass. 3.7 apg Per 40 is pretty neat for a guy who can score like that in the painted area. He might have the ability to draw doubles, and once he's able to, he can kick it out to open shooters. I think we could use that ability.

i am with u.
his rebounding ability is impressive too. it could well be translated to the NBA.

[Veggamattic]

I have long been a big advocate of getting players with court vision. This along with offensive rebounding are 2 skills that come up year in and year out as common denominators of guys that don't bust in the NBA. With the condition of this team I think it is more important than ever to get players that pass the ball and know how to create scoring opportunities.

[Veggamattic]

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Bam Adabeyo
Height: 6'10" (208 cm) Weight: 250 lbs (113 kg)
38,5 inches vertical
he just play like dwight howard.That makes Siakam expandable.

Terrence ferguson is pretty good too.
athletic with good range

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Neither of these guys can pass the ball at an reasonable level.

[ATLTimekeeper]

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According to bleacher report we're interested in hartenstein

He's definitely on my list, too. Mostly because I think he's huge for his age and pretty mobile, seems competitive. Someone that won't make much of an impressive in year 1, but could easily outplay his draft slot if he gets his jump shot down.

[dgr81]

Just draft someone who can rebound. The raps need someone who can rebound and keep the ball alive.

Right now the raps have no one who can rebound.

Perhaps THE worst suggestion.

A team should never use a 1st rd pick to address a CURRENT need. These picks are FUTURE based not to mention the output from a rookie on a Casey coached team will be slim to none. So replacing that can be very easily addressed in FA or trades. Not to mention rebounding actually wasn't the issue lol it was shooting.

so your brilliant suggestion is to draft a SG?

a PF who can rebound is exactly what the raps need.

[HeadtopChunes]

Who are guys in our range with good passing? Most of the better ones are lottery picks. I think UNC Justin Jackson, Welsey Iwundu and Swanigan are good passers. Who else? Basketball IQ is a very good trait to have.

[vanhill]

Neither of these guys can pass the ball at an reasonable level.

Swanigan does have a 7'3'' wingspan and a 9'0'' standing reach, so he may be able to contest shots. He'll need to lose some more weight to be able to defend the P'n'R though.

The thing I like about Swanigan is his ability to pass. 3.7 apg Per 40 is pretty neat for a guy who can score like that in the painted area. He might have the ability to draw doubles, and once he's able to, he can kick it out to open shooters. I think we could use that ability.

i am with u.
his rebounding ability is impressive too. it could well be translated to the NBA.

[HeadtopChunes]

Neither of these guys can pass the ball at an reasonable level.

Swanigan does have a 7'3'' wingspan and a 9'0'' standing reach, so he may be able to contest shots. He'll need to lose some more weight to be able to defend the P'n'R though.

The thing I like about Swanigan is his ability to pass. 3.7 apg Per 40 is pretty neat for a guy who can score like that in the painted area. He might have the ability to draw doubles, and once he's able to, he can kick it out to open shooters. I think we could use that ability.

i am with u.
his rebounding ability is impressive too. it could well be translated to the NBA.

After seeing how JV gets abused I just can't like a guy that slow.

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Bam Adabeyo
Height: 6'10" (208 cm) Weight: 250 lbs (113 kg)
38,5 inches vertical
he just play like dwight howard.That makes Siakam expandable.

Terrence ferguson is pretty good too.
athletic with good range

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No to Bam. He can't hit FTs. Siakam is going to be great next season!

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Just look at how much stronger he looks compared to when he was starting with the Raptors earlier in the year. Still has the quickness. I would let Ibaka walk and start Siakam again.

I wouldn't trade Siakam for any 1st round pick after the top 10. I mean he looks comparable to Zach Collins though much older. Could Markkanen be better, possibly. But after that, it's a coin toss.

[CoachJReturns]

Neither of these guys can pass the ball at an reasonable level.

i am with u.
his rebounding ability is impressive too. it could well be translated to the NBA.

After seeing how JV gets abused I just can't like a guy that slow.

True. Although, I think his passing ability makes him a little more like Greg Monroe, but with better shooting range. That's a good player, if a negative one on defense. I'm not saying he's my pick, as I'm starting to lean toward Diallo, but I wouldn't be mad with Swanigan.

[vanhill]

After seeing how JV gets abused I just can't like a guy that slow.

True. Although, I think his passing ability makes him a little more like Greg Monroe, but with better shooting range. That's a good player, if a negative one on defense. I'm not saying he's my pick, as I'm starting to lean toward Diallo, but I wouldn't be mad with Swanigan.

he is a big and strong. Raps are not a very good at rebounding, Swanigan give what we need. Our big guy besides JV love shooting 3s and he can be a great threat in the paint.

[BoyzNTheHood]

After seeing how JV gets abused I just can't like a guy that slow.

True. Although, I think his passing ability makes him a little more like Greg Monroe, but with better shooting range. That's a good player, if a negative one on defense. I'm not saying he's my pick, as I'm starting to lean toward Diallo, but I wouldn't be mad with Swanigan.

The thing is coaches in the NBA have forgotten how to use big men. Of course a guy like Swanigan or JV will look like they're running in mud on defense, but that's why you take advantage of their size on offense. Guys like Wilt, Shaq, Russell and even freakin Big Country Reeves are rolling over in their graves watching the modern NBA. Big men are supposed to pound the ball down low and get easy bucket in the paint. Since when is chucking 50 25 footers better than 50 3 footers? Plus, when you pound the paint you wear down the other team, as opposed to 3 pointers which just conserve everyone's energy. Anyways, that's just my two cents. It seems like outlawing giants in a game catered to them makes no sense and good coaching should be able to counter midget chuckers no matter how good shooters they are.

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Bam Adabeyo
Height: 6'10" (208 cm) Weight: 250 lbs (113 kg)
38,5 inches vertical
he just play like dwight howard.That makes Siakam expandable.

No to Bam. He can't hit FTs. Siakam is going to be great next season!

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Just look at how much stronger he looks compared to when he was starting with the Raptors earlier in the year. Still has the quickness. I would let Ibaka walk and start Siakam again.

I wouldn't trade Siakam for any 1st round pick after the top 10. I mean he looks comparable to Zach Collins though much older. Could Markkanen be better, possibly. But after that, it's a coin toss.

65.3% is not too bad as a big man, with room to improve.
i hope Siakam can improve as well, then we better let ibaka walks

[Psubs]

After seeing how JV gets abused I just can't like a guy that slow.

True. Although, I think his passing ability makes him a little more like Greg Monroe, but with better shooting range. That's a good player, if a negative one on defense. I'm not saying he's my pick, as I'm starting to lean toward Diallo, but I wouldn't be mad with Swanigan.

The thing is coaches in the NBA have forgotten how to use big men. Of course a guy like Swanigan or JV will look like they're running in mud on defense, but that's why you take advantage of their size on offense. Guys like Wilt, Shaq, Russell and even freakin Big Country Reeves are rolling over in their graves watching the modern NBA. Big men are supposed to pound the ball down low and get easy bucket in the paint. Since when is chucking 50 25 footers better than 50 3 footers? Plus, when you pound the paint you wear down the other team, as opposed to 3 pointers which just conserve everyone's energy. Anyways, that's just my two cents. It seems like outlawing giants in a game catered to them makes no sense and good coaching should be able to counter midget chuckers no matter how good shooters they are.

Yes, if you've ever guarded a guy 3 inches taller and 20-30 lbs heavier in the post all game long, you know how tough the 2nd half can be.

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65.3% is not too bad as a big man, with room to improve.
i hope Siakam can improve as well, then we better let ibaka walks

Kevin Love easily driving past Ibaka 3 times in a game without a shot fake makes me think that his perimeter defense will only get worse and just going to be Channing Frye with better shot-blocking and not worth over $20 million.

[Veggamattic]

Swanigan's jumper reminds me so much of Patrick Patterson's.

[CoachJReturns]

After seeing how JV gets abused I just can't like a guy that slow.

True. Although, I think his passing ability makes him a little more like Greg Monroe, but with better shooting range. That's a good player, if a negative one on defense. I'm not saying he's my pick, as I'm starting to lean toward Diallo, but I wouldn't be mad with Swanigan.

The thing is coaches in the NBA have forgotten how to use big men. Of course a guy like Swanigan or JV will look like they're running in mud on defense, but that's why you take advantage of their size on offense. Guys like Wilt, Shaq, Russell and even freakin Big Country Reeves are rolling over in their graves watching the modern NBA. Big men are supposed to pound the ball down low and get easy bucket in the paint. Since when is chucking 50 25 footers better than 50 3 footers? Plus, when you pound the paint you wear down the other team, as opposed to 3 pointers which just conserve everyone's energy. Anyways, that's just my two cents. It seems like outlawing giants in a game catered to them makes no sense and good coaching should be able to counter midget chuckers no matter how good shooters they are.

Hey, I'm all for feeding the post again. I watch less basketball than ever because I find guys jacking 100 3s a game to be incredibly boring. There's no variety in play style anymore. But to make a good post player actually useful, we need a radically different coach. One who doesn't simply hand the keys to 2 guards who mostly call their own number and doesn't take advantage of mismatches. Unfortunately, Casey will be back because his faults must be ignored at all cost for reasons I can't fathom.

[HeadtopChunes]

True. Although, I think his passing ability makes him a little more like Greg Monroe, but with better shooting range. That's a good player, if a negative one on defense. I'm not saying he's my pick, as I'm starting to lean toward Diallo, but I wouldn't be mad with Swanigan.

The thing is coaches in the NBA have forgotten how to use big men. Of course a guy like Swanigan or JV will look like they're running in mud on defense, but that's why you take advantage of their size on offense. Guys like Wilt, Shaq, Russell and even freakin Big Country Reeves are rolling over in their graves watching the modern NBA. Big men are supposed to pound the ball down low and get easy bucket in the paint. Since when is chucking 50 25 footers better than 50 3 footers? Plus, when you pound the paint you wear down the other team, as opposed to 3 pointers which just conserve everyone's energy. Anyways, that's just my two cents. It seems like outlawing giants in a game catered to them makes no sense and good coaching should be able to counter midget chuckers no matter how good shooters they are.

Hey, I'm all for feeding the post again. I watch less basketball than ever because I find guys jacking 100 3s a game to be incredibly boring. There's no variety in play style anymore. But to make a good post player actually useful, we need a radically different coach. One who doesn't simply hand the keys to 2 guards who mostly call their own number and doesn't take advantage of mismatches. Unfortunately, Casey will be back because his faults must be ignored at all cost for reasons I can't fathom.

You guys would love Messina. He believes in running an offense through the post. Inside out game alot like Pop and like half the Warriors offense runs through Draymond in the post.

[Patman]

Neither Beasley nor Haslem are good comparisons. Which 1's, 2's, or 3's can they guard? There is no comparison for Jordan Bell in the NBA, he's a unique talent. You can compare him to a couple of guys put together though. Draymond Green on defense, but Taj Gibson on offense with a chance to be a smaller version of Serge Ibaka if he puts the work in.

I watched videos of Bell out of interest. He's going to be a plus defender, but there's no way he'll guard any competent guard in the NBA. Did you forget how Norm torched Anthony Davis? You're telling me Bell can be a better perimeter defender than Brow in the NBA?

Also, people forget how much of a beast that Beas was in college.

Do you think people would tab Draymond Green as a more heralded defender than Anthony Davis? Just because Davis is long and quick doesn't mean he can defend guards. Bell does it, and showed why when he set the fastest shuttle time in combine history. Faster than Anthony Davis. Faster than any guard. The lateral quicks are real.

I don't see Bell to Draymond Green comparison at all. Dray excels at things that are hard to measure, namely basketball IQ.

His combine numbers are impressive, but you can't read too much into them. The stop-watch measurements are especially prone to human error (i.e. they rely on the clocker's accuracy and consistent reaction times). Some measurements like vertical leap are not prone to human error. That said, I would still say his lateral quicks are elite for his size. There's a lot more to covering guards than lateral quicks, though. I'd have to see a lot more footage of Bell checking guards to make a more precise conclusion. Like I said, I already consider him a plus defender, but it's quite a leap to change one's opinion of a player from a plus defender to an elite defender.