Snapbacks and Handshakes: The 2017 Draft (Raps pick #23)

[OAKLEY_2]

After seeing how JV gets abused I just can't like a guy that slow.

True. Although, I think his passing ability makes him a little more like Greg Monroe, but with better shooting range. That's a good player, if a negative one on defense. I'm not saying he's my pick, as I'm starting to lean toward Diallo, but I wouldn't be mad with Swanigan.

he is a big and strong. Raps are not a very good at rebounding, Swanigan give what we need. Our big guy besides JV love shooting 3s and he can be a great threat in the paint.

Anyone else feel like this is the same argument year in and year out for Cappella, Portis, Montrezl, Deyonta Davis LOL, ...and on. ?

[Patman]

Neither Beasley nor Haslem are good comparisons. Which 1's, 2's, or 3's can they guard? There is no comparison for Jordan Bell in the NBA, he's a unique talent. You can compare him to a couple of guys put together though. Draymond Green on defense, but Taj Gibson on offense with a chance to be a smaller version of Serge Ibaka if he puts the work in.

I watched videos of Bell out of interest. He's going to be a plus defender, but there's no way he'll guard any competent guard in the NBA. Did you forget how Norm torched Anthony Davis? You're telling me Bell can be a better perimeter defender than Brow in the NBA?

Also, people forget how much of a beast that Beas was in college.

I mean elite guards a torch any big in the NBA. Even Draymond can't guard good guard for more than a couple seconds on a switch but Bell has shown he has the lateral quickness to contain and keep up with most guards. His combine results showed some superb lateral quickness he was up there with the guards. His wingspan would be the limiting factor but it's not that short and good defensive positioning would remedy most of that.

I would go even further and say that above-average guards torch elite big men in open space. I like Bell, but guarding 5 positions in college is not nearly the same as guarding them in the NBA.

[HeadtopChunes]

I watched videos of Bell out of interest. He's going to be a plus defender, but there's no way he'll guard any competent guard in the NBA. Did you forget how Norm torched Anthony Davis? You're telling me Bell can be a better perimeter defender than Brow in the NBA?

Also, people forget how much of a beast that Beas was in college.

I mean elite guards a torch any big in the NBA. Even Draymond can't guard good guard for more than a couple seconds on a switch but Bell has shown he has the lateral quickness to contain and keep up with most guards. His combine results showed some superb lateral quickness he was up there with the guards. His wingspan would be the limiting factor but it's not that short and good defensive positioning would remedy most of that.

I would go even further and say that above-average guards torch elite big men in open space. I like Bell, but guarding 5 positions in college is not nearly the same as guarding them in the NBA.

Yeah only LeBron and maybe Draymond has shown the ability to gaurd all 5. Even though they struggle with bigger centers like JV. LeBron did do a pretty good job agaisnt D Rose back in the day.


But I think when people say gaurd 1-5 they just mean for a couple seconds on switches on like 3 or 4 possessions a game. Anything more is pretty much impossible.

[Kevin Willis]

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Bam Adabeyo
Height: 6'10" (208 cm) Weight: 250 lbs (113 kg)
38,5 inches vertical
he just play like dwight howard.That makes Siakam expandable.

Terrence ferguson is pretty good too.
athletic with good range

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No to Bam. He can't hit FTs. Siakam is going to be great next season!

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Just look at how much stronger he looks compared to when he was starting with the Raptors earlier in the year. Still has the quickness. I would let Ibaka walk and start Siakam again.

I wouldn't trade Siakam for any 1st round pick after the top 10. I mean he looks comparable to Zach Collins though much older. Could Markkanen be better, possibly. But after that, it's a coin toss.

Agreed. I would also let Ibaka walk and have Siakam start or at least be part of the rotation. Siakam is more athletic than Ibaka, younger and improving. He would need to improve his rebounding, defense and outside shot but he's shown improvement on all three already. Ibaka will most likely get worse in the next couple of years and Siakam is cheaper.

I wouldn't draft any player that fill a similar role to Siakam - that includes Bam.

[HeadtopChunes]

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Bam Adabeyo
Height: 6'10" (208 cm) Weight: 250 lbs (113 kg)
38,5 inches vertical
he just play like dwight howard.That makes Siakam expandable.

Terrence ferguson is pretty good too.
athletic with good range

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No to Bam. He can't hit FTs. Siakam is going to be great next season!

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Just look at how much stronger he looks compared to when he was starting with the Raptors earlier in the year. Still has the quickness. I would let Ibaka walk and start Siakam again.

I wouldn't trade Siakam for any 1st round pick after the top 10. I mean he looks comparable to Zach Collins though much older. Could Markkanen be better, possibly. But after that, it's a coin toss.

Agreed. I would also let Ibaka walk and have Siakam start or at least be part of the rotation. Siakam is more athletic than Ibaka, younger and improving. He would need to improve his rebounding, defense and outside shot but he's shown improvement on all three already. Ibaka will most likely get worse in the next couple of years and Siakam is cheaper.

I wouldn't draft any player that fill a similar role to Siakam - that includes Bam.

I think Siakam is ready to be a backup but if we're trying to do anything other than tank he shouldn't be starting. Ibaka might not be ideal but he'll probably be on the easier side to trade depending on how much he declines. I do think Ibaka is more of a center at this point tho. If pacals shot is good he'd be a good pairing with Ibaka.

[vanhill]

True. Although, I think his passing ability makes him a little more like Greg Monroe, but with better shooting range. That's a good player, if a negative one on defense. I'm not saying he's my pick, as I'm starting to lean toward Diallo, but I wouldn't be mad with Swanigan.

he is a big and strong. Raps are not a very good at rebounding, Swanigan give what we need. Our big guy besides JV love shooting 3s and he can be a great threat in the paint.

Anyone else feel like this is the same argument year in and year out for Cappella, Portis, Montrezl, Deyonta Davis LOL, ...and on. ?

is good to have discussion..on a discussion board...probably not the same..slightly different..haha

[BoyzNTheHood]

I watched videos of Bell out of interest. He's going to be a plus defender, but there's no way he'll guard any competent guard in the NBA. Did you forget how Norm torched Anthony Davis? You're telling me Bell can be a better perimeter defender than Brow in the NBA?

Also, people forget how much of a beast that Beas was in college.

I mean elite guards a torch any big in the NBA. Even Draymond can't guard good guard for more than a couple seconds on a switch but Bell has shown he has the lateral quickness to contain and keep up with most guards. His combine results showed some superb lateral quickness he was up there with the guards. His wingspan would be the limiting factor but it's not that short and good defensive positioning would remedy most of that.

I would go even further and say that above-average guards torch elite big men in open space. I like Bell, but guarding 5 positions in college is not nearly the same as guarding them in the NBA.

That's the point of sports. Advantage/disadvantage. Guards torch bigs on the perimeter and bigs destroy smalls in the paint. The modern NBA is clueless as how to properly utilize bigs. Having them on the perimeter shooting 3's takes away any size advantage they have.

[Dalek]

he is a big and strong. Raps are not a very good at rebounding, Swanigan give what we need. Our big guy besides JV love shooting 3s and he can be a great threat in the paint.

Anyone else feel like this is the same argument year in and year out for Cappella, Portis, Montrezl, Deyonta Davis LOL, ...and on. ?

is good to have discussion..on a discussion board...probably not the same..slightly different..haha

It's funny that list of players are ones I even thought would be great fit type players for Toronto, but they were all passed on. After watching the truly elite teams in the NBA, San Antonio, Cleveland, and Golden State, you see the importance of shooting and playmaking over any defensive advantage in rebounding.

Even the second tier teams have excellent shooting and playmaking. Boston has guys like Crowder, Olynyk, and Bradley who can do everything, while Houston is loaded with good shooters.

Toronto has Siakam and Poeltl who are great rebounders and defensive switchers. I don't see anyone in this draft that completely pushes them out of a role. Multi-tool guys are what Toronto needs to improve the on-court IQ and stretch the floor:

Isaiah Hartenstein makes sense because he is a multi-tool guy who is seven feet. Great stash candidate.
Jonah Bolden again is a bit of everything with good percentages, and some basic skills that should make him a decent role player.
TJ Leaf or Tyler Lydon are also interesting prospects in Toronto's range, but you wonder how well they adjust to the NBA. At least in Europe the other guys like Hartenstein and Bolden play against men so you can get a feel of how aggressive they are.

[CoachJReturns]

Anyone else feel like this is the same argument year in and year out for Cappella, Portis, Montrezl, Deyonta Davis LOL, ...and on. ?

is good to have discussion..on a discussion board...probably not the same..slightly different..haha

It's funny that list of players are ones I even thought would be great fit type players for Toronto, but they were all passed on. After watching the truly elite teams in the NBA, San Antonio, Cleveland, and Golden State, you see the importance of shooting and playmaking over any defensive advantage in rebounding.

Even the second tier teams have excellent shooting and playmaking. Boston has guys like Crowder, Olynyk, and Bradley who can do everything, while Houston is loaded with good shooters.

Toronto has Siakam and Poeltl who are great rebounders and defensive switchers. I don't see anyone in this draft that completely pushes them out of a role. Multi-tool guys are what Toronto needs to improve the on-court IQ and stretch the floor:

Isaiah Hartenstein makes sense because he is a multi-tool guy who is seven feet. Great stash candidate.
Jonah Bolden again is a bit of everything with good percentages, and some basic skills that should make him a decent role player.
TJ Leaf or Tyler Lydon are also interesting prospects in Toronto's range, but you wonder how well they adjust to the NBA. At least in Europe the other guys like Hartenstein and Bolden play against men so you can get a feel of how aggressive they are.

I'm not really advocating drafting him, but Swanigan has multiple tools as well offensively. He's the best post scorer in this draft, but is also a good perimeter shooter who saw a big improvement in his shooting percentages this year. He's also a very good passer for a big as evidenced by his assist totals. He's definitely not JV in terms of being screwed when he gets the ball in the post and doesn't have a shot. This guy can find an open man. The issue remains though that Casey is here for life apparently and has never been one to adjust offensively. He lets DeMar and Kyle run the show which means the two of them often freezing out other options.

My board this year is less solid than it has been in quite some time.
Right now I have an odd collection of different players from those who could still be on the board:

1. Diallo - The uber athlete with upside. We have so much guard depth there would be no rush to develop the guy at all.

2. Anigbogu - Potential shot blocking monster athlete. Ben Wallace part 2 is what we would hope and dream for.

3. Rabb - The safe pick, who hopefully continues to improve his shot and be more than a mediocre big.


After that there's a whole other bunch of guys I'd be fine with:

Evans, Pasecnik, Leaf, Hartenstein, Jeanne, Ferguson, Jackson, Ferguson, Kuruc.

[RaptorsLife]

There's so many good players in this draft you can't go with any of them

[Duffman100]

There's so many good players in this draft you can't go with any of them

Can't go with any of them? wha????

I'm assuming you missed a word there.

[RaptorsLife]

There's so many good players in this draft you can't go with any of them

Can't go with any of them? wha????

I'm assuming you missed a word there.

Can't go wrong with any of them lol

[-TheDocOfDenial]

We need to tank and give 30+ mpg to pascal and norman. Pascal looks like he is going to be a good starting PF in the NBA esp if he develops a nice 3 point shot (ibaka couldn't shoot the 3 when he was starting out too)

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[iqbalpanchod]

What about trading down for Philly second rounders 37, 39, 50 the talent level is about the same. We need good role players and we've been known to draft seniors or nba ready players. I want great Shooters with athletic potential. Semi, Devin Robinson, and Jonah Bolden. Sign Justin Jackson of Maryland as a undrafted free agent. The roster size increase is really pushing it forward for me. Powell alone can get a lotto pick like Dennis Smith. It'll help save money long term with 4-5 cheap rotational players. That allows for more money in the starting line up. The Raptors gotta add generational talent and give minutes to proven prospects Jakob, Siakim, and Bruno. A line up I envision with great size.

Bebe
Anthony
Bruno
Robinson
DeRozan

That's hard to match defensively. With shooting from 1-5 it's nearly impossible to double team and the athleticism/passing ability prevents trapping.

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[Potential]

Raptors interested in Isaiah Hartenstein. Skilled 19 yr old big man from Lithuania

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[S ID]

What about trading down for Philly second rounders 37, 39, 50 the talent level is about the same. We need good role players and we've been known to draft seniors or nba ready players. I want great Shooters with athletic potential. Semi, Devin Robinson, and Jonah Bolden. Sign Justin Jackson of Maryland as a undrafted free agent. The roster size increase is really pushing it forward for me. Powell alone can get a lotto pick like Dennis Smith. It'll help save money long term with 4-5 cheap rotational players. That allows for more money in the starting line up. The Raptors gotta add generational talent and give minutes to proven prospects Jakob, Siakim, and Bruno. A line up I envision with great size.

Bebe
Anthony
Bruno
Robinson
DeRozan

That's hard to match defensively. With shooting from 1-5 it's nearly impossible to double team and the athleticism/passing ability prevents trapping.

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That's a great lineup

Spoiler:

if we're trying to win less than 20 games.

[Syd-TK3]

If the main guys like Diallo, OG, Fergeson, Mitchell are all gone by our pick
I'm fine with trading down but you cant get 3 picks for the 23rd

[HeadtopChunes]

If the main guys like Diallo, OG, Fergeson, Mitchell are all gone by our pick
I'm fine with trading down but you cant get 3 picks for the 23rd

We can probably trade Cojo for picks but not knowing the Lowry situation makes it a gamble

[Fast_Feets]

I would trade cojo no problem. If the team is moving towards offense and more team defense what good is pounding the rock offence

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