All Aboard! Next Stop "2017 NBA Draft Lottery" All Things Draft Thread

[Iguodaladon]

I don't think we'll trade the pick now that it's confirmed as #1, if we weren't gonna trade it in February for Butler or George when the pick could've been anything, I don't see us trading it now that the value of the pick has increased whilst Butler and George's stock has stayed the same.

Ainge seems to be thinking the same as well with his recent comments that his patience has been rewarded. Unless we're grabbing Davis, I think we can pencil in Fultz joining the team on 26th June

[GrandTheftRondo]

Found this from Cowherd. I like what he thinks. Trading the pick is insane.

Watch on YouTube

Please stop giving that waste of oxygen money with clicks

[165bows]

That just means you don't follow enough people!

So what's your take? Do you take Fultz and not think twice or do you think you consider a trade for a vet? I'd puke if we traded this pick.

Depends on who the vet is. Butler or George (if he commits to staying), I'd probably trade it. But I am extremely risk adverse. I prefer the known quantity. And not like Butler or George is on their last legs or anything.

I'm also slightly worried that Fultz's UW team was so bad. They were horrendous and that makes me nervous. But he's still the pick at #1.

I had that as a serious criticism of Simmons. My thought on why it's less relevant for Fultz is that his primary value should be as a top line scorer.

A guy like Simmons who has such a deficient jump shooting game, the story was his value was his playmaking and overall affect on the game. If that's the case then I'd want to see a Lonzo Ball scenario where the team and offense are much better with that guy out there.

[Fidel Sarcasmo]

Add Fultz to backup and eventually play alongside IT and you guys are gonna be deadly.

Would love to see you steal away Hayward this summer too.

It's funny you mention this. Our two part plan was to get and keep our high draft pick, at cheap money, groom him into a real player and then try n lure Hayward

[Bostondave]

Keep the pick. We're in the early stages on good things coming. Stop with the instant gratification, immediate reward, fast twitch attitude and have a little patience and win plenty later instead of.winning one now. We're in a good position with good picks coming without being in the cellar.

[pasfru]

Trading the pick for Butler/George is a terrible move. No one on this team seems to like Butler and Indy aren't getting **** for an expiring George.

Take the pick, talk with Hayward in free agency, get ready for next year.

[Froob]

So what's your take? Do you take Fultz and not think twice or do you think you consider a trade for a vet? I'd puke if we traded this pick.

Depends on who the vet is. Butler or George (if he commits to staying), I'd probably trade it. But I am extremely risk adverse. I prefer the known quantity. And not like Butler or George is on their last legs or anything.

I'm also slightly worried that Fultz's UW team was so bad. They were horrendous and that makes me nervous. But he's still the pick at #1.

I had that as a serious criticism of Simmons. My thought on why it's less relevant for Fultz is that his primary value should be as a top line scorer.

A guy like Simmons who has such a deficient jump shooting game, the story was his value was his playmaking and overall affect on the game. If that's the case then I'd want to see a Lonzo Ball scenario where the team and offense are much better with that guy out there.

To me, the greater risk is going all in on this team. And our window isn't super long.

[Froob]

We are getting #1 pick. I guarantee it.

stop jinxing us. Only CHL can post that.

[Smitty731]

So what's your take? Do you take Fultz and not think twice or do you think you consider a trade for a vet? I'd puke if we traded this pick.

Depends on who the vet is. Butler or George (if he commits to staying), I'd probably trade it. But I am extremely risk adverse. I prefer the known quantity. And not like Butler or George is on their last legs or anything.

I'm also slightly worried that Fultz's UW team was so bad. They were horrendous and that makes me nervous. But he's still the pick at #1.

You do NOT trade this pick for those guys. They are BOTH available without it.

They aren't. That is just cocky thinking and getting on your high horse. At a minimum, it would take this years pick and possibly next years Nets pick as well. Or Jaylen Brown. And then some filler pieces.

And the reason Butler can fetch more than George is that he's got two years left, then a player option. George is expiring and has already made noise about going to the Lakers.

I can totally understand not wanting to trade the pick. But to start suggesting the Celtics can get Butler or George without dealing the pick, gets a little crazy. Those guys are All-NBA level players and big time wings that have several years of solid production left.

[ConstableGeneva]

We are getting #1 pick. I guarantee it.

stop jinxing us. Only CHL can post that.

Posting a Lebron celebration gif on game day vs. the Cavs merits at least a five-minute suspension. Come on, man. Or are you jinxing the Cavs too?

[SmartWentCrazy]

I still think that if you want to trade the pick, the play is to develop him for a year and make a massive offer for Davis after Boogie leaves.

[pasfru]

Depends on who the vet is. Butler or George (if he commits to staying), I'd probably trade it. But I am extremely risk adverse. I prefer the known quantity. And not like Butler or George is on their last legs or anything.

I'm also slightly worried that Fultz's UW team was so bad. They were horrendous and that makes me nervous. But he's still the pick at #1.

You do NOT trade this pick for those guys. They are BOTH available without it.

They aren't. That is just cocky thinking and getting on your high horse. At a minimum, it would take this years pick and possibly next years Nets pick as well. Or Jaylen Brown. And then some filler pieces.

And the reason Butler can fetch more than George is that he's got two years left, then a player option. George is expiring and has already made noise about going to the Lakers.

I can totally understand not wanting to trade the pick. But to start suggesting the Celtics can get Butler or George without dealing the pick, gets a little crazy. Those guys are All-NBA level players and big time wings that have several years of solid production left.

I think lots of people would say 2018 BKN + Avery/Crowder and filler is fair enough for Butler.

I don't see Indy getting much at all for George. The guy's been very open about his feelings on the Pacers and a dysfunctional front office like that is not gonna have any leverage in trade talks. Maybe PG agrees to an extension prior to the trade and we have less at risk, but that'd have to come with a renegotiation for next year's contract and a lot of unused cap space that could go on someone like Hayward.

I don't know, either way, I just don't see the value in trading such a valuable pick in a loaded draft for fringe All-NBA talent. LeBron's still here. The Warriors are still here.

[BannerStatus]

Depends on who the vet is. Butler or George (if he commits to staying), I'd probably trade it. But I am extremely risk adverse. I prefer the known quantity. And not like Butler or George is on their last legs or anything.

I'm also slightly worried that Fultz's UW team was so bad. They were horrendous and that makes me nervous. But he's still the pick at #1.

You do NOT trade this pick for those guys. They are BOTH available without it.

They aren't. That is just cocky thinking and getting on your high horse. At a minimum, it would take this years pick and possibly next years Nets pick as well. Or Jaylen Brown. And then some filler pieces.

And the reason Butler can fetch more than George is that he's got two years left, then a player option. George is expiring and has already made noise about going to the Lakers.

I can totally understand not wanting to trade the pick. But to start suggesting the Celtics can get Butler or George without dealing the pick, gets a little crazy. Those guys are All-NBA level players and big time wings that have several years of solid production left.

Not sure I agree with this. I don't imagine, or at least I wouldn't consider anything more than simply just the pick. Nothing else. And for PG it would require him signing an extension. I would not give, nor do I think Jimmy would fetch anything more than #1 pick. Adding Jaylen is a non-starter. Only salary matching pieces would be acceptable. The #1 overall pick holds significant value, especially to a team staring down the barrel of a significant rebuild.

Shoot, IMO CHI would be LUCKY to get Markelle for Jimmy straight up at this point and rebuild from there. No one is getting #1 plus a package for anyone less than the names Curran pretty much tweeted out last night none of which are truly on the table.

[Froob]

Depends on who the vet is. Butler or George (if he commits to staying), I'd probably trade it. But I am extremely risk adverse. I prefer the known quantity. And not like Butler or George is on their last legs or anything.

I'm also slightly worried that Fultz's UW team was so bad. They were horrendous and that makes me nervous. But he's still the pick at #1.

You do NOT trade this pick for those guys. They are BOTH available without it.

They aren't. That is just cocky thinking and getting on your high horse. At a minimum, it would take this years pick and possibly next years Nets pick as well. Or Jaylen Brown. And then some filler pieces.

And the reason Butler can fetch more than George is that he's got two years left, then a player option. George is expiring and has already made noise about going to the Lakers.

I can totally understand not wanting to trade the pick. But to start suggesting the Celtics can get Butler or George without dealing the pick, gets a little crazy. Those guys are All-NBA level players and big time wings that have several years of solid production left.

I know you have your connections and all man but I can't see anyone getting two of 2017 + brown or 2018. Nobody has gotten such an enormous haul in recent history. Heh people thought we should have offered both picks, Jaylen and Crowder for Boogie

[SmartWentCrazy]

Guys. We have 9 years, minimum, of Markelle Fultz. That's **** AWESOME!

I'm not trading that for 1 year of George. Or 2 of Butler.

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

This writer thinks Tatum is the player the celtics are taking and that Fultz will drop to three.

1 Celtics

Jayson Tatum, SF, Duke: One NBA general manager compared Tatum to Ron Artest (when Artest was good), and to me, that's the type of piece that could immediately vault Boston into a championship contender. Though it wouldn't surprise me if the Celtics swing some sort of trade with this pick to pick up an established NBA star (Jimmy Butler?).

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2017-nba-mock-draft-after-winning-top-pick-celtics-go-with-dukes-jayson-tatum/

[pasfru]

This writer thinks Tatum is the player the celtics are taking and that Fultz will drop to three.

1 Celtics

Jayson Tatum, SF, Duke: One NBA general manager compared Tatum to Ron Artest (when Artest was good), and to me, that's the type of piece that could immediately vault Boston into a championship contender. Though it wouldn't surprise me if the Celtics swing some sort of trade with this pick to pick up an established NBA star (Jimmy Butler?).

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2017-nba-mock-draft-after-winning-top-pick-celtics-go-with-dukes-jayson-tatum/

What a terrible comparison.

What a terrible idea.

[165bows]

Depends on who the vet is. Butler or George (if he commits to staying), I'd probably trade it. But I am extremely risk adverse. I prefer the known quantity. And not like Butler or George is on their last legs or anything.

I'm also slightly worried that Fultz's UW team was so bad. They were horrendous and that makes me nervous. But he's still the pick at #1.

You do NOT trade this pick for those guys. They are BOTH available without it.

They aren't. That is just cocky thinking and getting on your high horse. At a minimum, it would take this years pick and possibly next years Nets pick as well. Or Jaylen Brown. And then some filler pieces.

And the reason Butler can fetch more than George is that he's got two years left, then a player option. George is expiring and has already made noise about going to the Lakers.

I can totally understand not wanting to trade the pick. But to start suggesting the Celtics can get Butler or George without dealing the pick, gets a little crazy. Those guys are All-NBA level players and big time wings that have several years of solid production left.

You are contradicting yourself a tad on that, if they are free agents in 1-2 years then they are to a degree available to everyone without trading assets for them.

I love both those players but I don't see how they can trade the pick for those guys unless they aren't that high on the rookies. George wouldn't have incentive to sign an extension and if he somehow left in FA it would be crippling. Butler on the other hand will be 30-34 on his next deal. He's under market for the first two years but I think at a 7-9 year max at 33 and 34 he will probably be overpaid with his knee history.

[LarryBirdsFingr]

^^agree with bows on this one. but man, i still cannot believe this actually happened

[Froob]

This writer thinks Tatum is the player the celtics are taking and that Fultz will drop to three.

1 Celtics

Jayson Tatum, SF, Duke: One NBA general manager compared Tatum to Ron Artest (when Artest was good), and to me, that's the type of piece that could immediately vault Boston into a championship contender. Though it wouldn't surprise me if the Celtics swing some sort of trade with this pick to pick up an established NBA star (Jimmy Butler?).

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2017-nba-mock-draft-after-winning-top-pick-celtics-go-with-dukes-jayson-tatum/

What a terrible comparison.

What a terrible idea.

Can't wait for everyone to pretend they didn't want to give up Brown and Fultz for Butler when those two are starting for us in the Finals.