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SmartWentCrazy wrote:Do the Sixers follow up from drafting a big three years in a row with drafting a ball dominant wing who can't shoot for a second year in a row? So **** thankful I don't have to root for that guy next year...
PLO wrote:Tatum played OK - took advantage of a few mismatches - decent on the defensive end. He is what we thought he was going into the season - a technically very proficient player operating close to his career ceiling as a rookie.
Froob wrote:Fruit Pastilles wrote:The_Ghost_of_JB wrote:This writer thinks Tatum is the player the celtics are taking and that Fultz will drop to three.
1 Celtics
Jayson Tatum, SF, Duke: One NBA general manager compared Tatum to Ron Artest (when Artest was good), and to me, that's the type of piece that could immediately vault Boston into a championship contender. Though it wouldn't surprise me if the Celtics swing some sort of trade with this pick to pick up an established NBA star (Jimmy Butler?).
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2017-nba-mock-draft-after-winning-top-pick-celtics-go-with-dukes-jayson-tatum/
What a terrible comparison.
What a terrible idea.
Can't wait for everyone to pretend they didn't want to give up Brown and Fultz for Butler when those two are starting for us in the Finals.
Tommy Heinsohn wrote:The game is not over until they look you in the face and start crying.
SmartWentCrazy wrote:Do the Sixers follow up from drafting a big three years in a row with drafting a ball dominant wing who can't shoot for a second year in a row? So **** thankful I don't have to root for that guy next year...
24istheLAW wrote:But can Fultz actually shoot?
He shot 64.9% from the free throw line in his one season at Washington. That's bad.
Yeah, he shot 41% from 3. He also took a ton of pull-up 3s. In the NBA he's going to have to shoot off the catch. His form doesn't look great. How do we know he isn't a 33-35% shooter from deep in the NBA? What did he shoot in HS?
People keep talking about how Ball and Fultz are these incredible prospects and I just can't see it. Anthony Davis was an incredible
prospect. Joel Embiid was an incredible prospect. Can someone talk me into this kid?
Smitty731 wrote:fallguy wrote:Smitty731 wrote:
Depends on who the vet is. Butler or George (if he commits to staying), I'd probably trade it. But I am extremely risk adverse. I prefer the known quantity. And not like Butler or George is on their last legs or anything.
I'm also slightly worried that Fultz's UW team was so bad. They were horrendous and that makes me nervous. But he's still the pick at #1.
You do NOT trade this pick for those guys. They are BOTH available without it.
They aren't. That is just cocky thinking and getting on your high horse. At a minimum, it would take this years pick and possibly next years Nets pick as well. Or Jaylen Brown. And then some filler pieces.
And the reason Butler can fetch more than George is that he's got two years left, then a player option. George is expiring and has already made noise about going to the Lakers.
I can totally understand not wanting to trade the pick. But to start suggesting the Celtics can get Butler or George without dealing the pick, gets a little crazy. Those guys are All-NBA level players and big time wings that have several years of solid production left.
Fruit Pastilles wrote:The_Ghost_of_JB wrote:This writer thinks Tatum is the player the celtics are taking and that Fultz will drop to three.
1 Celtics
Jayson Tatum, SF, Duke: One NBA general manager compared Tatum to Ron Artest (when Artest was good), and to me, that's the type of piece that could immediately vault Boston into a championship contender. Though it wouldn't surprise me if the Celtics swing some sort of trade with this pick to pick up an established NBA star (Jimmy Butler?).
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2017-nba-mock-draft-after-winning-top-pick-celtics-go-with-dukes-jayson-tatum/
What a terrible comparison.
What a terrible idea.
24istheLAW wrote:But can Fultz actually shoot?
He shot 64.9% from the free throw line in his one season at Washington. That's bad.
Yeah, he shot 41% from 3. He also took a ton of pull-up 3s. In the NBA he's going to have to shoot off the catch. His form doesn't look great. How do we know he isn't a 33-35% shooter from deep in the NBA? What did he shoot in HS?
People keep talking about how Ball and Fultz are these incredible prospects and I just can't see it. Anthony Davis was an incredible
prospect. Joel Embiid was an incredible prospect. Can someone talk me into this kid?
SmartWentCrazy wrote:Fultz shot 44% on 2 point jumpers. He shot 41% from 3. He can shoot, for sure. His FT% will rise, its likely a concentration issue with him due to fatigue from carrying their entire team.
Banks2Pierce wrote:SmartWentCrazy wrote:Fultz shot 44% on 2 point jumpers. He shot 41% from 3. He can shoot, for sure. His FT% will rise, its likely a concentration issue with him due to fatigue from carrying their entire team.
Important in cases like these to get more sample.
I don't love the concentration defense. Others like CP3, KD, and even someone like D'Angelo Russell had similar offensive scoring loads for their teams.
Edug27 wrote:Banks2Pierce wrote:SmartWentCrazy wrote:Fultz shot 44% on 2 point jumpers. He shot 41% from 3. He can shoot, for sure. His FT% will rise, its likely a concentration issue with him due to fatigue from carrying their entire team.
Important in cases like these to get more sample.
I don't love the concentration defense. Others like CP3, KD, and even someone like D'Angelo Russell had similar offensive scoring loads for their teams.
Isaiah Thomas shot 68% from the line as a freshman on more attempts than Fultz. He's now a 91% FT shooter.
Tommy Heinsohn wrote:The game is not over until they look you in the face and start crying.
Froob wrote:Edug27 wrote:Banks2Pierce wrote:
Important in cases like these to get more sample.
I don't love the concentration defense. Others like CP3, KD, and even someone like D'Angelo Russell had similar offensive scoring loads for their teams.
Isaiah Thomas shot 68% from the line as a freshman on more attempts than Fultz. He's now a 91% FT shooter.
Great, so Fultz' ceiling is a super sixth man? Should have kept Pierce and KG.
Banks2Pierce wrote:SmartWentCrazy wrote:Do the Sixers follow up from drafting a big three years in a row with drafting a ball dominant wing who can't shoot for a second year in a row? So **** thankful I don't have to root for that guy next year...
Yeah, draft gets very interesting at 3 again. I don't see a ton of separation in the group after Ball/Fultz so I'm guessing they just take Tatum or Monk. Don't see a ton of incentive to trade up because Orlando and others can just wait for whoever falls so Philly might look to trade back and find no bites.
sam_I_am wrote:Banks2Pierce wrote:SmartWentCrazy wrote:Do the Sixers follow up from drafting a big three years in a row with drafting a ball dominant wing who can't shoot for a second year in a row? So **** thankful I don't have to root for that guy next year...
Yeah, draft gets very interesting at 3 again. I don't see a ton of separation in the group after Ball/Fultz so I'm guessing they just take Tatum or Monk. Don't see a ton of incentive to trade up because Orlando and others can just wait for whoever falls so Philly might look to trade back and find no bites.
Philly probably takes Monk at 3 or trades back if someone really wants Josh. My guess is Philly is drooling over Fultz. Fultz, Simmons, Embiid is backbone of a contender if healthy. If I were them I would try to trade up to #1 and 2018 LA pick might get it done.
Tommy Heinsohn wrote:The game is not over until they look you in the face and start crying.
Edug27 wrote:Banks2Pierce wrote:SmartWentCrazy wrote:Fultz shot 44% on 2 point jumpers. He shot 41% from 3. He can shoot, for sure. His FT% will rise, its likely a concentration issue with him due to fatigue from carrying their entire team.
Important in cases like these to get more sample.
I don't love the concentration defense. Others like CP3, KD, and even someone like D'Angelo Russell had similar offensive scoring loads for their teams.
Isaiah Thomas shot 68% from the line as a freshman on more attempts than Fultz. He's now a 91% FT shooter.
sam_I_am wrote:Banks2Pierce wrote:SmartWentCrazy wrote:Do the Sixers follow up from drafting a big three years in a row with drafting a ball dominant wing who can't shoot for a second year in a row? So **** thankful I don't have to root for that guy next year...
Yeah, draft gets very interesting at 3 again. I don't see a ton of separation in the group after Ball/Fultz so I'm guessing they just take Tatum or Monk. Don't see a ton of incentive to trade up because Orlando and others can just wait for whoever falls so Philly might look to trade back and find no bites.
Philly probably takes Monk at 3 or trades back if someone really wants Josh. My guess is Philly is drooling over Fultz. Fultz, Simmons, Embiid is backbone of a contender if healthy. If I were them I would try to trade up to #1 and 2018 LA pick might get it done.
Tommy Heinsohn wrote:The game is not over until they look you in the face and start crying.
Froob wrote:Why was Fultz on such a bad team anyways? Was he an out of nowhere guy? Why didn't he play for a good school?