Trade Post-Mortem 2017: Eight is Enough

[fallguy]

Okay, so we draft Fultz and we sign Hayward.

What do we think about the Brooklyn 18, our 18, Clippers 19, Crowder, Bradley and Rozier for Jimmy Butler?
Works in the trade machine.

Thomas/Smart/Jackson
Butler/Fultz/Green
Hayward/Brown/Nader
Horford/Yabusele/Jerebko
Zizic/Johnson/Zeller

I don't think Butler is worth or requires that kind of offer (some here disagree) but I think any drafting of Fultz + signing of Hayward is quickly followed by some sort of consolidation trade to better position the Celtics against the Cavs next season. So yeah, Butler is one way to go.

[CelticsLV]

Okay, so we draft Fultz and we sign Hayward.

What do we think about the Brooklyn 18, our 18, Clippers 19, Crowder, Bradley and Rozier for Jimmy Butler?
Works in the trade machine.

Thomas/Smart/Jackson
Butler/Fultz/Green
Hayward/Brown/Nader
Horford/Yabusele/Jerebko
Zizic/Johnson/Zeller

How do you fit Amir, Jerebko, Zeller, Jackson, Green, Zizič, Yabusele and Nader in there? If you want to keep first pick
(7 million/year) + sign max FA then forget about all of them - not enough cap space. If you make that tade before trying to sign Hayward it adds even more to our salary.

[BigTrade92]

Okay, so we draft Fultz and we sign Hayward.

What do we think about the Brooklyn 18, our 18, Clippers 19, Crowder, Bradley and Rozier for Jimmy Butler?
Works in the trade machine.

Thomas/Smart/Jackson
Butler/Fultz/Green
Hayward/Brown/Nader
Horford/Yabusele/Jerebko
Zizic/Johnson/Zeller

How do you fit Amir, Jerebko, Zeller, Jackson, Green, Zizič, Yabusele and Nader in there? If you want to keep first pick
(7 million/year) + sign max FA then forget about all of them - not enough cap space. If you make that tade before trying to sign Hayward it adds even more to our salary.

Amir and Jerebko are FA after this year. They can sign for the vet min. Zeller would definitely be traded. Forgot he had such a big deal.

[CelticsLV]

Okay, so we draft Fultz and we sign Hayward.

What do we think about the Brooklyn 18, our 18, Clippers 19, Crowder, Bradley and Rozier for Jimmy Butler?
Works in the trade machine.

Thomas/Smart/Jackson
Butler/Fultz/Green
Hayward/Brown/Nader
Horford/Yabusele/Jerebko
Zizic/Johnson/Zeller

How do you fit Amir, Jerebko, Zeller, Jackson, Green, Zizič, Yabusele and Nader in there? If you want to keep first pick
(7 million/year) + sign max FA then forget about all of them - not enough cap space. If you make that tade before trying to sign Hayward it adds even more to our salary.

Amir and Jerebko are FA after this year. They can sign for the vet min.

It doesn't change anything really. If we let go Amir, Jerebko, Zeller, Olynyk, Mickey, Green, Jackson, Young the salary would sit at almost 66 million. Now add 7 million cap hold for 1st pick, Yabusele has 2,2 million salary, Zizič 1,6 million. Where's the room for max FA? Salary cap is 101 million.

[BigTrade92]

How do you fit Amir, Jerebko, Zeller, Jackson, Green, Zizič, Yabusele and Nader in there? If you want to keep first pick
(7 million/year) + sign max FA then forget about all of them - not enough cap space. If you make that tade before trying to sign Hayward it adds even more to our salary.

Amir and Jerebko are FA after this year. They can sign for the vet min.

It doesn't change anything really. If we let go Amir, Jerebko, Zeller, Olynyk, Mickey, Green, Jackson, Young the salary would sit at almost 66 million. Now add 7 million cap hold for 1st pick, Yabusele has 2,2 million salary, Zizič 1,6 million. Where's the room for max FA?

Yeah to add a max salary slot, you would have to trade Bradley to make it work, but if you're taking back Butler's contract it pretty much negates Bradley's removal.

Crap...we may be stuck with Hayward and a bench or a Butler trade and a scrub bench. Idc either way

[Homerclease]

Two spitballing ideas.

Avery Bradley for Richaun Holmes and a lottery protected first round pick.

Marcus Smart for Kyle O'quinn

Balance the roster and avoid losing either guy for nothing. Both deals are likely overpays I do admit

[RR9]

Okay, so we draft Fultz and we sign Hayward.

What do we think about the Brooklyn 18, our 18, Clippers 19, Crowder, Bradley and Rozier for Jimmy Butler?
Works in the trade machine.

Thomas/Smart/Jackson
Butler/Fultz/Green
Hayward/Brown/Nader
Horford/Yabusele/Jerebko
Zizic/Johnson/Zeller

AB + Crowder + BKN 18 pick > Butler IMO. There's a reason Danny didn't make this move before the trade deadline and it's because the value is way too much for JB.

[smith2373]

Would I be wrong in saying that if we're actually competitive against Cleveland (i.e. keep the games close, win at least 2 of them), that Danny would be more likely to trade the pick if he feels another high-level player puts us over the top?

[AgentGreen]

Would I be wrong in saying that if we're actually competitive against Cleveland (i.e. keep the games close, win at least 2 of them), that Danny would be more likely to trade the pick if he feels another high-level player puts us over the top?

Danny wants to compete now.. He would pull the trigger.. IT and Horford's window arent that long to wait for a rookie to pan out.

But it will be a deal for a proven young talent + lottery pick.. i.e. Sixers or Knicks probably.

Pipe dream scenario is Anthony Davis ofcourse.

[smith2373]

Would I be wrong in saying that if we're actually competitive against Cleveland (i.e. keep the games close, win at least 2 of them), that Danny would be more likely to trade the pick if he feels another high-level player puts us over the top?

Danny wants to compete now.. He would pull the trigger.. IT and Horford's window arent that long to wait for a rookie to pan out.

But it will be a deal for a proven you talent + lottery pick.. i.e. Sixers or Knicks probably.

Pipe dream scenario is Anthony Davis ofcourse.

Oh I'd give up the farm for AD, but he's not even close to being on the market

[TheOGJabroni]

Would I be wrong in saying that if we're actually competitive against Cleveland (i.e. keep the games close, win at least 2 of them), that Danny would be more likely to trade the pick if he feels another high-level player puts us over the top?

Danny wants to compete now.. He would pull the trigger.. IT and Horford's window arent that long to wait for a rookie to pan out.

But it will be a deal for a proven you talent + lottery pick.. i.e. Sixers or Knicks probably.

Pipe dream scenario is Anthony Davis ofcourse.

Oh I'd give up the farm for AD, but he's not even close to being on the market

Unfortunately you are most likely right but I think Danny needs to at least give them a call.

A package of: Jaylen Brown, 2017 #1 draft pick & 2018 unprotected Brooklyn pick is nothing to sneeze at.

If they added Fultz and Brown, it fills out their team way more around Holiday & Cousins.

[galipeautim]

I think if we sign Heyward ($30.5), trade Zeller ($8) and sign the #1 pick ($7) we are right around the cap. Is that correct?

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

Bradley and/or Crowder for a pick in the 6 - 10 range and draft Zach Collins, thus acquiring a quality young Big Man with a
lot of potential (shades of McHale possibily?) while at the same time freeing up Cap Space for a Free Agent.

[Asian Celtic]

We can all trade X and O's. I just want to keep #1 pick (Fultz) + Brown.

[Wes-J]

It's hard watching the Warriors and Cavs getting all the attention now but I'm for the long game too. Let the kids grow together and trade some of the current pieces later on, when the kids have come of age surrounding them with good complimentary players.

[Fencer reregistered]

Danny wants to compete now.. He would pull the trigger.. IT and Horford's window arent that long to wait for a rookie to pan out.

But it will be a deal for a proven you talent + lottery pick.. i.e. Sixers or Knicks probably.

Pipe dream scenario is Anthony Davis ofcourse.

Oh I'd give up the farm for AD, but he's not even close to being on the market

Unfortunately you are most likely right but I think Danny needs to at least give them a call.

A package of: Jaylen Brown, 2017 #1 draft pick & 2018 unprotected Brooklyn pick is nothing to sneeze at.

If they added Fultz and Brown, it fills out their team way more around Holiday & Cousins.

If they trade Davis, they have to be optimistic that Cousins would stay. That's a hard hurdle to get over, along with all the others that stand in the way of such a trade for them.

[mikestar]

F Butler and f the Bulls. While we're at it, f George and the Pacers.

[Fencer reregistered]

Da'Aron Fox says Malik Monk's NBA comparable is Avery Bradley.

http://nypost.com/2017/05/16/knicks-fall-in-nba-draft-lottery-letdown/

I know he's in a very different contract situation from a rookie -- but Monk's likely status as a mid-lottery pick still sheds some light on Avery's value.

[CelticsLV]

Da'Aron Fox says Malik Monk's NBA comparable is Avery Bradley.

http://nypost.com/2017/05/16/knicks-fall-in-nba-draft-lottery-letdown/

I know he's in a very different contract situation from a rookie -- but Monk's likely status as a mid-lottery pick still sheds some light on Avery's value.

Are you trying to imply Bradley is worth mid lotto pick? 10-14 pick at best.

[TheBounceIsReal]

I think this is only a real possibility if Hayward agrees to sign with Boston, but here's the scenario:

Boston agrees to terms with Hayward on July 1. They then trade Fultz and Crowder to New York for Porzingis. Trading Crowder's salary and renouncing Olynyk, Johnson, Zeller, Mickey, Green, Young, and Jackson should net the Celtics enough cap space to sign Hayward without losing Rozier, Zizic, or Yabusele.

2017/18 starting 5 of Thomas, Bradley, Hayward, Porzingis, and Horford, with Rozier, Smart, Brown, Yabs, and Zizic off the bench.

Why the Knicks do it: They get equal or better value with Fultz & Crowder for Porzingis and can bottom out by trading Carmelo as well.

Why the Celtics do it: Boston becomes a title contender, Porzingis fills a bigger positional need than Butler or PG13, they can still sign Hayward, he's on a rookie contract until 2019, and his timeline lines up with Smart, Brown, Rozier, and the '18 Nets pick.