Balancing the Thunder and Blazers feat ATL/BRK

[Geaux_Hawks]

Thunder trade: Enes Kanter and Victor Oladipo for Brook Lopez and Allen Crabbe

Why: Thunder look to shed a year of Kanter and Dipo, while picking up better floor spacers in Crabbe and Lopez's improved ranged. Lopez also makes Adams expendable possibly.

Blazers trade: Allen Crabbe, Moe Harkless, Noah Vonleh, #15 and #20 for Dwight Howard, Trevor Booker, #27 and #31

Why: The Blazers add some veteran depth and interior beef with DH & Booker to go alongside Nurkic, while shedding some wings. They sweeten the deal by moving down from their current pick slots.

Hawks trade: Dwight Howard, Kent Bazemore, and #31 for #15, Enes Kanter, and Moe Harkless

Why: The Hawks decide to rebuild and let Milsap walk. The deal saves them money now and in the future, and they also move 16 spots from 31 up to 15.

Nets trade: Brook Lopez, Trevor Booker, and #27 for Victor Oladipo, Noah Vonleh, #20, and Kent Bazemore

Why: The Nets aren't going to have a high pick despite the fact they are rebuilding. So, they use Lopez to add some young talent with upside and move up in the draft.

[Mamba4Goat]

Thunder and Portland need more value, BK and Atlanta need less value.

[Myth]

Blazers pass. A Nurkic/Dwight combo will be a disaster because neither will accept a role off the bench and they would be terrible playing together. Blazers are not giving up 2 of their starters and better picks to be in that situation. I do like Booker though, but the trade would need to be completely redone to get him to Portland.

[Soulyss]

Why would the Blazers take on Howard when they already have Nurkic?? Just cut Portland out of the deal all-together.

[Andre Roberstan]

Thunder would probably have to pass. The reason Enes Kanter is in OKC instead of Brook Lopez is because Lopez wouldn't commit to staying for his next contract, so Presti went a different direction with the trade. I can't see that anything's changed on that. Crabbe's a better floor space than Oladipo, yes, but I'm not sure that the difference is worth the trade here. And everything I know of the org says that Adams isn't getting moved anywhere.

[BlazersBroncos]

Ya, easy no for Portland.

[Geaux_Hawks]

Blazers pass. A Nurkic/Dwight combo will be a disaster because neither will accept a role off the bench and they would be terrible playing together. Blazers are not giving up 2 of their starters and better picks to be in that situation. I do like Booker though, but the trade would need to be completely redone to get him to Portland.

Interesting. I thought I read somewhere on the Blazers board that you all wanted rim protection. It's the only reason I even included Howard. I could probably re-arrange it with you all getting Booker. My main goal is to really get Atlanta another mid 1st.

[Myth]

Blazers pass. A Nurkic/Dwight combo will be a disaster because neither will accept a role off the bench and they would be terrible playing together. Blazers are not giving up 2 of their starters and better picks to be in that situation. I do like Booker though, but the trade would need to be completely redone to get him to Portland.

Interesting. I thought I read somewhere on the Blazers board that you all wanted rim protection. It's the only reason I even included Howard. I could probably re-arrange it with you all getting Booker. My main goal is to really get Atlanta another mid 1st.

Blazers do want rim protection. Dwight's abilities aren't the issue here though. He won't be happy and would become a distraction for the team if forced to come off the bench. I suspect Nurkic would have the same issue after what happened with him in Denver. Unless we are getting a long term replacement for Nurkic, there is no need to alienate him because he is expected to be our starting C for quite a while. So again, Blazers do need rim protection, but there are cheaper options (both salary and not having to send out starters) that do not disrupt chemistry. Blazers need an upgrade at backup C and/or starting PF.

[Geaux_Hawks]

Thunder would probably have to pass. The reason Enes Kanter is in OKC instead of Brook Lopez is because Lopez wouldn't commit to staying for his next contract, so Presti went a different direction with the trade. I can't see that anything's changed on that. Crabbe's a better floor space than Oladipo, yes, but I'm not sure that the difference is worth the trade here. And everything I know of the org says that Adams isn't getting moved anywhere.

My main reason for swapping Kanter for Lopez was for salary relief. I feel like Lopez is much defensively, and has more range than Kanter. You could still keep Adams honestly. My Adams statement was predicated on the FO wanting to maybe move on from him after his crappy playoff performance. Crabbe being an excellent shooter seems fairly better than Oladipo. Especially if he gets more shots. Regardless I gotta find a way to tweak the trade at this point anyway.

[Andre Roberstan]

Thunder would probably have to pass. The reason Enes Kanter is in OKC instead of Brook Lopez is because Lopez wouldn't commit to staying for his next contract, so Presti went a different direction with the trade. I can't see that anything's changed on that. Crabbe's a better floor space than Oladipo, yes, but I'm not sure that the difference is worth the trade here. And everything I know of the org says that Adams isn't getting moved anywhere.

My main reason for swapping Kanter for Lopez was for salary relief. I feel like Lopez is much defensively, and has more range than Kanter. You could still keep Adams honestly. My Adams statement was predicated on the FO wanting to maybe move on from him after his crappy playoff performance. Crabbe being an excellent shooter seems fairly better than Oladipo. Especially if he gets more shots. Regardless I gotta find a way to tweak the trade at this point anyway.

If we want to play a floor spacing SG with no defense, we have Abrines at $5mil a year. No need to move Dipo for that.

Something around Kanter for Lopez would work, but Lopez won't be happy coming off the bench and the team will probably be better with Adams starting for now—just for the defensive end. Though that's probably arguable. More to the point, Lopez is a good enough player that he's not getting traded to someplace where he knows going in that he's only going to spend a year.

[Geaux_Hawks]

So again, Blazers do need rim protection, but there are cheaper options (both salary and not having to send out starters) that do not disrupt chemistry. Blazers need an upgrade at backup C and/or starting PF.

Focusing on this, but who are the starters you are referring to? I know Nurkic, CJ, and Lilliard are dang near untouchable. Are Vonleh and Harkless really that important or should I say valuable to the team? The way I'm looking at it, is that both of them could easily be on the bench anywhere else for just about any other team. I'm not trying to degrade your guys, but I didn't think they were that hot of commodities. With that said, I think I have something to remedy the starting PF spot that I was working on before this idea.

[Geaux_Hawks]

Thunder would probably have to pass. The reason Enes Kanter is in OKC instead of Brook Lopez is because Lopez wouldn't commit to staying for his next contract, so Presti went a different direction with the trade. I can't see that anything's changed on that. Crabbe's a better floor space than Oladipo, yes, but I'm not sure that the difference is worth the trade here. And everything I know of the org says that Adams isn't getting moved anywhere.

My main reason for swapping Kanter for Lopez was for salary relief. I feel like Lopez is much defensively, and has more range than Kanter. You could still keep Adams honestly. My Adams statement was predicated on the FO wanting to maybe move on from him after his crappy playoff performance. Crabbe being an excellent shooter seems fairly better than Oladipo. Especially if he gets more shots. Regardless I gotta find a way to tweak the trade at this point anyway.

If we want to play a floor spacing SG with no defense, we have Abrines at $5mil a year. No need to move Dipo for that.

Something around Kanter for Lopez would work, but Lopez won't be happy coming off the bench and the team will probably be better with Adams starting for now—just for the defensive end. Though that's probably arguable. More to the point, Lopez is a good enough player that he's not getting traded to someplace where he knows going in that he's only going to spend a year.

Crabbe is more dynamic on offense though. He's got a mid-range game and better with the ball in his hands. Plus, it would be at least adding another shooter on top of having Abrines. OKC was one of the worst 3 point shooting teams. I can leave Dipo though, and probably find a taker for Kanter still. Again, Adams is just speculation.

[Myth]

So again, Blazers do need rim protection, but there are cheaper options (both salary and not having to send out starters) that do not disrupt chemistry. Blazers need an upgrade at backup C and/or starting PF.

Focusing on this, but who are the starters you are referring to? I know Nurkic, CJ, and Lilliard are dang near untouchable. Are Vonleh and Harkless really that important or should I say valuable to the team? The way I'm looking at it, is that both of them could easily be on the bench anywhere else for just about any other team. I'm not trying to degrade your guys, but I didn't think they were that hot of commodities. With that said, I think I have something to remedy the starting PF spot that I was working on before this idea.

Harkless and Noah Vonleh are the starters. They are certainly tradeable and at the starting positions that need upgraded the most (SF and PF). I didn't like the trade because of losing both of these guys plus giving away assets to obtain the headache of dealing with Dwight, but in another trade, I would be more than fine getting rid of them. I would like Booker at PF for Portland, and though I value him less that Mo overall given that Mo is locked into a good contract and is younger (24), while Booker his just now showing his worth at age 29 on a bad team with only 1 year left on his contract before demanding a raise. If Blazers went for him, it would likely have to be a pretty cheap run at him given he could bolt or demand a larger contract, or they could just wait and try during free agency. Noah btw is easily the Blazers worst starter, but he was starting to look good late in the season for a 21 yo (9/9 guy the last month of the season). He'll never be great, but certainly has some value. He was mostly the starter because of how weak Portland is at the 4. I'm not too high on him, and he could be had pretty cheap IMO.

[ThunderBolt]

I wouldn't call Crabbe more dynamic on offense. He scored 11ppg and Dipo averaged 16. Crabbe is a better pure shooter but that it. Oladipo plays both sides of the ball. I'm pretty down on Dipo but I wouldn't trade him for Crabbe.

[Geaux_Hawks]

I wouldn't call Crabbe more dynamic on offense. He scored 11ppg and Dipo averaged 16. Crabbe is a better pure shooter but that it. Oladipo plays both sides of the ball. I'm pretty down on Dipo but I wouldn't trade him for Crabbe.

I mean Dipo actually get's the shots to produce though, while Allen is 3rd fiddle at best some nights. Crabbe averages about 8 shots a game compared to Dipo at 14, yet Crabbe draws a similar amount of FTA's, and is just 6 points behind in PPG. Besides that, I was referring more to Abrines, who the original poster mentioned.