Snapbacks and Handshakes: The 2017 Draft (Raps pick #23)

MavCarter · Post #361 » by **MavCarter** » Wed May 17, 2017 7:04 pm

Kevin Willis · Post #362 » by **Kevin Willis** » Wed May 17, 2017 7:06 pm

Tacoma wrote:
Kevin Willis wrote:
OAKLEY_2 wrote:Congrats to Beantown for their usual embarassment of sports riches.

I have to say I find it comical that Bastan will be picking yet another point guard.

Lonzo Ball, Isiah Thomas, Marcus Smart, Terry Rozier, Demetrius Jackson and A. Bradley. Can you say trades emphatically enough?

Never mind Lebron, this should really press Ujiri into action. Spending a fortune for 53 regular season wins and a playoff sputter is going to get exposed by more than just Cleveland. We not only have to compete in the playoffs but in the head office as well.

...Before Masai came to the Raptors we were a mess. Considering there is only 1 Championship team and we're in the middle of a dynasty with Lebron/GSW/SA, I think head office is doing extremely well becoming a perennial playoff team that Championship teams take seriously. I would take us being Stockton's Utah or JO's Portland or Miller's Indiana - always make the playoffs but falling short of winning a Championship while making a final's experience.

Not only does Championship teams NOT take us seriously, LeBron & Co. did the opposite and laughed and disrespected us. As for HO "doing extremely well," other than doing a decent job building around BC's core, I don't think so.

Before Masai came along we had raw C who can't defend, a hole at SF and a coach who doesn't change and does the same thing over and over again. After Masai and 4 long years later, our C is now a vet who can't defend, the same hole remains at SF, and the same coach who still doesn't change and still does the same thing over and over again.

As for building around BC's core... First he said we needed shooters, so he built around BC's core with shooters like GV & Lou. Then after the blowout by Washington, he says forget shooters, we need defense. Two more years later we get blown out by Cleveland and he said forget defense, we need shooters. After years of evaluation, Masai still can't make up his mind.

If Championship contention is the goal, we can no longer build around the same tired core. But based on Masai's season ending presser, he intends to keep Casey, DD and re-sign Lowry. It would seem the only way to get rid of BC's core is to get rid of Masai.

I have one question for you - what would you say if we didn't make the playoffs during Masai's tenure? Brilliant? All you're telling me is that Masai adapts and makes changes when he sees they're necessary while still putting up a competitive team. The NBA has changed since he started and he's adapted to it. We didn't get GV because he was a shooter, GV was part of a package for Rudy and put in to match salaries. We didn't get Lou as a shooter. We got Lou because Atlanta didn't want him after his injury and we wanted to get rid of Salmons. The only real culture change we had was to become more defensive. For awhile it worked until we faced Cleveland who did take us seriously. GSW blew SA out of the water BECAUSE they took SA seriously. They wanted to take no chances.

In terms of core, Raptor fans make it seem like it's easy to change a core. If everyone can change a core and get transcendant players they will do so. I think Masai is doing a damn good job getting players to want to come to Toronto - not like that before, make the playoffs, adjust, market and build a culture of winning. Before the series everyone thought we could make it 5-7 games so I'm not sure why you think they didn't respect us. The others and Lowry played bad. It happens. Masai himself wondered if his moves were good but they were. We ended the season on such a high without Lowry and finally won a series without needing to go to series end. Only a handful of GMs have done better and he is happy to be here and wants to be here.

Revisionist history from some fans with personal hate agendas is all I see.

HeadtopChunes · Post #363 » by **HeadtopChunes** » Wed May 17, 2017 7:32 pm

Duffman100 wrote:
HeadtopChunes wrote:I don't like Lyndon beacuse scouts say stuff like

"Lydon is not an NBA prospect. Scouts like him for his long body, athleticism, and shooting ability. But a strong NCAA tournament has been shown to fool teams in the past. Lydon is passive and makes no serious impact on the game. His defensive effort is poor. He is not a player I would want on my team at any level."

Yikes, don't want to hear that. Where was that?

The only thing I like about him is he almost immediately becomes the best shooter on our team.

https://nbaprospects.com/#/tylerlydon/

It might be a bit extreme but he's pretty high on the list of guys that are super passive on the court. Most scouting reports have a nice way of saying he's soft in the paint (gaurding bigs and getting rebounds) not much effort shown at all on D. We dont need more softness on this team.

Syd-TK3 · Post #364 » by **Syd-TK3** » Wed May 17, 2017 7:36 pm

Leaf looks better than lydon But not interested in either

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HeadtopChunes · Post #365 » by **HeadtopChunes** » Wed May 17, 2017 7:43 pm

Syd-TK3 wrote:Leaf looks better than lydon But not interested in either

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Yeah leaf wouldn't be so bad as he can shoot , rebound and defend. But there are others Id rather have.

Psubs · Post #366 » by **Psubs** » Wed May 17, 2017 7:43 pm

Syd-TK3 wrote:Leaf looks better than lydon But not interested in either

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Lydon is a poor man's TJ Leaf. Lydon is probably NBDL calibre. Maybe he plays a bit like Novak.

HeadtopChunes · Post #367 » by **HeadtopChunes** » Wed May 17, 2017 7:51 pm

Psubs wrote:
Syd-TK3 wrote:Leaf looks better than lydon But not interested in either

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Lydon is a poor man's TJ Leaf. Lydon is probably NBDL calibre. Maybe he plays a bit like Novak.

Honestly all the workout players looks pretty bad. Why did they bother with these guys.

C_Money · Post #368 » by **C_Money** » Wed May 17, 2017 7:51 pm

I honestly don't like anyone in our draft range. The best thing we can hope for is somebody gets arrested and slips to #23. Otherwise we are probably making this draft pick for the 905.

Post #369 » by **Patman** » Wed May 17, 2017 7:56 pm

McGregFan wrote:

Watch on YouTube

That Dan Tolzman dude looks too old and isn't even on any mock draft. Pass.

MavCarter · Post #370 » by **MavCarter** » Wed May 17, 2017 8:05 pm

C_Money wrote:I honestly don't like anyone in our draft range. The best thing we can hope for is somebody gets arrested and slips to #23. Otherwise we are probably making this draft pick for the 905.

You really think a rookie is going to come in and get consistent minutes with us next year? Not even NBA ready guys like norm and delon get consistent minutes 2 years in

Wo1verine · Post #371 » by **Wo1verine** » Wed May 17, 2017 8:17 pm

Yeah, this draft is almost not even worth watching for Toronto - You don't get top picks very often without some sort of pain.

OAKLEY_2 · Post #372 » by **OAKLEY_2** » Wed May 17, 2017 8:19 pm

McGregFan wrote:
C_Money wrote:I honestly don't like anyone in our draft range. The best thing we can hope for is somebody gets arrested and slips to #23. Otherwise we are probably making this draft pick for the 905.

You really think a rookie is going to come in and get consistent minutes with us next year? Not even NBA ready guys like norm and delon get consistent minutes 2 years in

Certainly not when we go into the tax like some are thinking. Here is the conundrum. If you draft like we did with the youth we either play and develop them or risk turning them into Bargnani's who won't be anything other than cheapness now and bad value later. Time to try and match some of Boston's moves and not play things lke this is Mark Cuban taking flyers all over the place.

HeadtopChunes · Post #373 » by **HeadtopChunes** » Wed May 17, 2017 8:21 pm

I think there's some good talent in our range maybe even some potentially elite role players. But nobody looks like a star.

At the same time drafts are too unpredictable nobody saw guys like Butler, Milsap, Green IT4 etc coming.

C_Money · Post #374 » by **C_Money** » Wed May 17, 2017 8:23 pm

McGregFan wrote:
C_Money wrote:I honestly don't like anyone in our draft range. The best thing we can hope for is somebody gets arrested and slips to #23. Otherwise we are probably making this draft pick for the 905.

You really think a rookie is going to come in and get consistent minutes with us next year? Not even NBA ready guys like norm and delon get consistent minutes 2 years in

Norm and Delon are good enough to be in the rotation at least. I look at these players around 23 and they look like bench scrubs. We should start asking ourselves how they fit playing next to Bruno and whether we can make a repeat as D League champions.

Mr.Raptorsingh · Post #375 » by **Mr.Raptorsingh** » Wed May 17, 2017 8:27 pm

Raps needs to find themselves a Draymond Green out of these pool of players if they are planning on bringing back Lowry, Ibaka, and Tucker.

Clutch0z24 · Post #376 » by **Clutch0z24** » Wed May 17, 2017 8:35 pm

1.Markelle Fultz
2.Lonzo Ball
3.Jayson Tatum
4.Josh Jackson
5.De'Aaron Fox
6.Malik Monk
7.Jonathan Isaac
8.Frank Ntilikina
9.Dennis Smith Jr.
10.Lauri Markkanene
11.Zach Collins
12.Jarrett Allen
13.Justin Patton
(Won't be available at 23)

14.Hamidou Diallo
15.Og Anunoby
16.Isaiah Hartenstein
17.Terrance Ferguson
18.Harry Giles
19.Ike Anigbogu
20.Bam Adebayo
21.T.J Leaf
22.Jordan Bell
23.Ivan Rabb
24.Jonathan Jeanne
25.Frank Jackson

Well here is my big board....One of these players should be a Raptor (Obviously Not getting any of the top guys)

But for a short list one of these 25 guys will be available to the team and these are the players i feel have the most potential....Realistically the players from 14 on are targets for me...

MavCarter · Post #377 » by **MavCarter** » Wed May 17, 2017 8:36 pm

C_Money wrote:
McGregFan wrote:
C_Money wrote:I honestly don't like anyone in our draft range. The best thing we can hope for is somebody gets arrested and slips to #23. Otherwise we are probably making this draft pick for the 905.

You really think a rookie is going to come in and get consistent minutes with us next year? Not even NBA ready guys like norm and delon get consistent minutes 2 years in

Norm and Delon are good enough to be in the rotation at least. I look at these players around 23 and they look like bench scrubs. We should start asking ourselves how they fit playing next to Bruno and whether we can make a repeat as D League champions.

Im actually intrigued with more players late in the draft this year than i was last. Our range is from like 21-50, everyone knows our FO doesn't follow/care about mocks and where players are slated when it comes to later picks

DeadHorse · Post #378 » by **DeadHorse** » Wed May 17, 2017 8:43 pm

Call me petty, but I'm happy Ivan Rabb isn't a lotto pick this year.

HeadtopChunes · Post #379 » by **HeadtopChunes** » Wed May 17, 2017 8:55 pm

DeadHorse wrote:Call me petty, but I'm happy Ivan Rabb isn't a lotto pick this year.

I'd rather have Bell or Ike over him tbh.

Wally West · Post #380 » by **Wally West** » Wed May 17, 2017 10:35 pm

BoyzNTheHood wrote:It's a highlight reel so take it as such, but some of the moves he makes are absolutely elite! He seems like one of those Kentucky kids who under perform in college but breakout in the pros.

Watch on YouTube

I like him but I think he's another Cory Joseph which isn't a knock on him.