Brooklyn Nets 2017 Draft Thread

[JohnStockton]

Not really a fan of Diallou. The best leaper in the draft, but from what I've seen he doesn't have even an average feel for the game while playing against his college peers. That's the biggest concern for him--it's not even lack of shooting. You need to have a good feel to be a player at the NBA level, regardless of athleticism. But yes, on top of that, his skill level is also lacking. I'd pass. I think he's an athletic freak project that wouldn't pan out. Like a poor Wesley Johnson.

Anzejs Pasecniks is another pick I don't like. He's too unathletic, and not overly skilled to makeup for it. I think that guy is going to be a bench player at best, probably out of the league in 3-4 years.

If I were Marks, I'd try to get Bam Adebayo, or Jawun Evans. Adebayo has solid feel for his position, and is a tremendous athlete. Evans has tremendous feel for the game as a whole, but is undersized. I think both of their ceilings are Starters, and they should probably be available at the Nets picks. Another obvious selection would be to pick Giles if he's still around when the Nets pick, but I don't think he will be.

All that said, I think the Nets are gonna pick Pasecniks and maybe Diallou though. lol

[jbeachboy]

Not really a fan of Diallou. The best leaper in the draft, but from what I've seen he doesn't have even an average feel for the game while playing against his college peers. That's the biggest concern for him--it's not even lack of shooting. You need to have a good feel to be a player at the NBA level, regardless of athleticism. But yes, on top of that, his skill level is also lacking. I'd pass. I think he's an athletic freak project that wouldn't pan out. Like a poor Wesley Johnson.

Anzejs Pasecniks is another pick I don't like. He's too unathletic, and not overly skilled to makeup for it. I think that guy is going to be a bench player at best, probably out of the league in 3-4 years.

If I were Marks, I'd try to get Bam Adebayo, or Jawun Evans. Adebayo has solid feel for his position, and is a tremendous athlete. Evans has tremendous feel for the game as a whole, but is undersized. I think both of their ceilings are Starters, and they should probably be available at the Nets picks. Another obvious selection would be to pick Giles if he's still around when the Nets pick, but I don't think he will be.

All that said, I think the Nets are gonna pick Pasecniks and maybe Diallou though. lol

shouldnt we go for homerun and high potential guys when your at 22 and 27, you can find a bam adebayo more easily, i havent seen enough of pasceniks but there is a reason these guys are in 20s. diallo looks way more skilled and more potential than wesley johnson, diallo looks like he has wiggins potential with some experience. i like giles too if his medicals check out okay and he can regain his form.

[DarkXaero]

If the Magic hire that mother **** er the fans need to burn the arena down. NO!!!!

If Magic are even thinking of hiring him, they need to be contracted from the league.

[Paradise]

Not really a fan of Diallou. The best leaper in the draft, but from what I've seen he doesn't have even an average feel for the game while playing against his college peers. That's the biggest concern for him--it's not even lack of shooting. You need to have a good feel to be a player at the NBA level, regardless of athleticism. But yes, on top of that, his skill level is also lacking. I'd pass. I think he's an athletic freak project that wouldn't pan out. Like a poor Wesley Johnson.

A feel for the game requires constant basketball repetition to determine and he's only appeared in tournament all-star games for the most part against his HS peers. Him not panning out would mean he's not a hard working kid and not capable of improving his game, IQ and his body. That's where character comes in and we do not know that yet.






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[NyCeEvO]

If the Magic hire that mother **** er the fans need to burn the arena down. NO!!!!

Hey...if someone else wants to take him, bless them.

[Jersey Generals]

If King was still GM, I'd probably have to take a few years off following the Nets in order to keep my sanity.

What do you think I did?

I literally checked myself out when I found the Atlanta pick swap. (screw you Vince for taking credit for it)

[vincecarter4pres]

If King was still GM, I'd probably have to take a few years off following the Nets in order to keep my sanity.

What do you think I did?

I literally checked myself out when I found the Atlanta pick swap. (screw you Vince for taking credit for it)

:afflalolol:

[kamaze]

Not really a fan of Diallou. The best leaper in the draft, but from what I've seen he doesn't have even an average feel for the game while playing against his college peers. That's the biggest concern for him--it's not even lack of shooting. You need to have a good feel to be a player at the NBA level, regardless of athleticism. But yes, on top of that, his skill level is also lacking. I'd pass. I think he's an athletic freak project that wouldn't pan out. Like a poor Wesley Johnson.

A feel for the game requires constant basketball repetition to determine and he's only appeared in tournament all-star games for the most part against his HS peers. Him not panning out would mean he's not a hard working kid and not capable of improving his game, IQ and his body. That's where character comes in and we do not know that yet.

This is a deep draft there's plenty of other shooting guards to chose from. They're doing their due diligence working out players if they don't think he's the right choice they won't pick him. Some other shooting guards:

Rawle Alkins 6'4 shooting guard from Brooklyn. Athletic as hell with an NBA ready frame.

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Josh Hart 6'5 from Villanova

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Sindarius Thornwell

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[Paradise]

Not really a fan of Diallou. The best leaper in the draft, but from what I've seen he doesn't have even an average feel for the game while playing against his college peers. That's the biggest concern for him--it's not even lack of shooting. You need to have a good feel to be a player at the NBA level, regardless of athleticism. But yes, on top of that, his skill level is also lacking. I'd pass. I think he's an athletic freak project that wouldn't pan out. Like a poor Wesley Johnson.

A feel for the game requires constant basketball repetition to determine and he's only appeared in tournament all-star games for the most part against his HS peers. Him not panning out would mean he's not a hard working kid and not capable of improving his game, IQ and his body. That's where character comes in and we do not know that yet.

This is a deep draft there's plenty of other shooting guards to chose from. They're doing their due diligence working out players if they don't think he's the right choice they won't pick him. Some other shooting guards:

Rawle Alkins 6'4 shooting guard from Brooklyn. Athletic as hell with an NBA ready frame.

Watch on YouTube

Josh Hart 6'5 from Villanova

Watch on YouTube

Sindarius Thornwell

Watch on YouTube

Yes, I like them all but none of them have nearly the age, physical tools and upside to improve like Diallo. We will look at everybody and who knows, he may bomb in the workout today but those guys are and will be viewed as Plan B and Plan C. If Milwaukee takes him at 17 then Alkins, Dorsey could come into play.

Atkins - Lance Stephenson w/ a brain
Dorsey - Courtney Lee w/ vision
Thornwell - Jared Dudley / Wes Matthews
Hart - Monta Ellis

Nets would like someone with a little more room to build on their physical tools. I'm sure they will go with the best option but it's no doubt to me we could see them try to make a promise at 22 to Diallo simply because he could be the new DeRozan or Lavine and at worst, his floor could be a solid Will Barton or Archie Goodwin that still runs the lane hard for lobs from LeVert and Lin.



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[twosevenstreet]

I really wish Josh Hart was 6'7. He'd be the perfect SF for our team, an ultimate team player.

[TheNetsFan]

shouldnt we go for homerun and high potential guys when your at 22 and 27

Why should we be swinging for the fences in the 20s? That's a fool's errand & tends to happen when people fall in love with combine numbers rather than actual production. Draft guys that are skilled, have a good work ethic & can play. See LeVert, Butler or Green. Keep hitting singles and doubles, and somebody may surprise.

Some 2011 excerpts from DX on Butler:

The Texas native is not a freak athlete, or the type of player you'll see on an ESPN highlight reel any time soon. He does not have the pedigree of a future NBA All-Star. His physical tools are fairly average, and he still needs to develop certain parts of his skill set, namely his shooting consistency from the beyond the arc, to maximize his value. However, when evaluating a player like Butler, who simply plays winning basketball, has terrific intangibles, and does all of the little things the help his team, it is important to look at what he can do before condemning him for he can't be. Butler is a heady player who plays within a team concept. He defends, he makes the extra pass, he crashes the glass, he has a terrific basketball IQ, and his attitude is a coach's dream. A product of tireless reps in the gym and a detail oriented system, the senior has a very solid floor game, makes good decision with the ball, scraps on both ends, and maximizes the physical tools he does have. - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jimmy-Butler-6315/ ©DraftExpress

Looking through the rest of this class of forwards, a few things stand out. First is how well Jimmy Butler seems to rank in virtually every category, starting with overall offensive efficiency (6th), and continuing with turnover rate (2nd best), free throw rate (2nd) and transition scoring (2nd). If he can improve his ability to make shots with his feet set (13th, 36% FG) he will likely carve out a long career for himself considering how staunch of a defender he is. - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Situational-Statistics-the-2011-Forward-Crop-3762/ ©DraftExpress

[NyCeEvO]

If King was still GM, I'd probably have to take a few years off following the Nets in order to keep my sanity.

What do you think I did?

I literally checked myself out when I found the Atlanta pick swap. (screw you Vince for taking credit for it)

And that was before the Big 3 trade lol..

I don't think I commented on it at the time but a few weeks ago ND threw another reference to the "fact" that they uncovered those details first. SMH.



Well, I hope you're back around for the forseeable future again. I missed y'all...

[Paradise]

shouldnt we go for homerun and high potential guys when your at 22 and 27

Why should we be swinging for the fences in the 20s? That's a fool's errand & tends to happen when people fall in love with combine numbers rather than actual production. Draft guys that are skilled, have a good work ethic & can play. See LeVert, Butler or Green. Keep hitting singles and doubles, and somebody may surprise.

Some 2011 excerpts from DX on Butler:

The Texas native is not a freak athlete, or the type of player you'll see on an ESPN highlight reel any time soon. He does not have the pedigree of a future NBA All-Star. His physical tools are fairly average, and he still needs to develop certain parts of his skill set, namely his shooting consistency from the beyond the arc, to maximize his value. However, when evaluating a player like Butler, who simply plays winning basketball, has terrific intangibles, and does all of the little things the help his team, it is important to look at what he can do before condemning him for he can't be. Butler is a heady player who plays within a team concept. He defends, he makes the extra pass, he crashes the glass, he has a terrific basketball IQ, and his attitude is a coach's dream. A product of tireless reps in the gym and a detail oriented system, the senior has a very solid floor game, makes good decision with the ball, scraps on both ends, and maximizes the physical tools he does have. - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jimmy-Butler-6315/ DraftExpress

Looking through the rest of this class of forwards, a few things stand out. First is how well Jimmy Butler seems to rank in virtually every category, starting with overall offensive efficiency (6th), and continuing with turnover rate (2nd best), free throw rate (2nd) and transition scoring (2nd). If he can improve his ability to make shots with his feet set (13th, 36% FG) he will likely carve out a long career for himself considering how staunch of a defender he is. - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Situational-Statistics-the-2011-Forward-Crop-3762/ DraftExpress

This was the Greek Freak's similar scouting report back in 2013.

Weaknesses: His level of competition is a big concern, because it makes judging his talent and current level very difficult. Without question he has a large basement to go with his large ceiling ... Despite his athletic abilities he lacks elite explosiveness ... He has to bulk up, working especially in the lower body since he’s definitely too skinny to face NBA opponents at the moment ... The concern is how to develop him correctly from the muscular standpoint, in order to avoid loss of speed and mobility (Boris Diaw) ... His game off the ball is rather weak, especially related to spacing and use of screens and cuts, in fact most of his offensive production happens with the ball in his hands ... The only exception is when he's slashing to the basket for put backs or on the break ... Plus he basically has no mid-range game, he tends to attack the rim without considering the option of the pull up jumper ... He shot 31.3 % from three point line this year, showing good potential, but he lacks consistency at this point, his mechanics seems unnatural and not fluent ... On the defensive side, he needs to learn the basis, since he’s beaten by the opponents due a lack of proper positioning and comprehension ... The overall impression is of a raw prospect from basketball comprehension standpoint, whose is based on instincts, talent, physical gifts and natural feel for the game. For this reason he needs to be tested at a higher level of competition than Greek second division, since his level of experience is definitely low.

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[MrDollarBills]

Milwaukee caught fire with two raw upside picks in The Greek Freak and Thon Maker. I don't find anything wrong with the Nets drafting a guy that has stuff that you just can't teach, and developing him into a baller.

[TheNetsFan]

Greek Freak was already very skilled during the draft. He was only raw in the sense of playing lower-level competition & not much in terms of true system play. The ball handling, passing, vision ,etc was all there already.

I'd rather see us take players that have demonstrated a good level of skill already, and not simply draft the best athletes. Obviously you want to see a minimum level of athleticism before considering a guy, but I'll always give the nod to a very skilled ok athlete over an unskilled hyperathletic player.

[shakendfries]

Greek Freak was already very skilled during the draft. He was only raw in the sense of playing lower-level competition & not much in terms of true system play. The ball handling, passing, vision ,etc was all there already..

No. He wasn't. This is a blatantly false assertion. Find me one old scouting report that says Giannis was highly skilled at anything


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[Rockice_24]

Greek Freak was already very skilled during the draft. He was only raw in the sense of playing lower-level competition & not much in terms of true system play. The ball handling, passing, vision ,etc was all there already..

No. He wasn't. This is a blatantly false assertion. Find me one old scouting report that says Giannis was highly skilled at anything


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Here's one. Sounds like a guy with excellent handle, great feel for the game with a good IQ and is already a good passer. That's sounds pretty skilled. Weaknesses were competition and shooting.

Standing 6’9”, he has amazing mobility and body control for a guy his height ... He’s able to change directions off the dribble and with the ball in his hands with incredible smoothness and quickness, getting to the rim while maintaining excellent balance ... His athleticism and wingspan make him able to cover 4 positions on the floor, showing great versatility ... He has a natural feel for the game and a good basketball IQ, with good passing skills and instincts and the potential to become a point forward at the next level ... Thanks to his big hands and his creativity, he’s an amazing ball handler for his position ... He’s unstoppable with momentum, especially during secondary transition, when he can exploit his amazing mobility starting from the dribble.


Diallo for instances doesn't have anything but the athleticism. Giannis just needed to refine his shooting touch, not his overall feel for the game.

[shakendfries]

Greek Freak was already very skilled during the draft. He was only raw in the sense of playing lower-level competition & not much in terms of true system play. The ball handling, passing, vision ,etc was all there already..

No. He wasn't. This is a blatantly false assertion. Find me one old scouting report that says Giannis was highly skilled at anything


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Here's one. Sounds like a guy with excellent handle, great feel for the game with a good IQ and is already a good passer. That's sounds pretty skilled. Weaknesses were competition and shooting.

Standing 6’9”, he has amazing mobility and body control for a guy his height ... He’s able to change directions off the dribble and with the ball in his hands with incredible smoothness and quickness, getting to the rim while maintaining excellent balance ... His athleticism and wingspan make him able to cover 4 positions on the floor, showing great versatility ... He has a natural feel for the game and a good basketball IQ, with good passing skills and instincts and the potential to become a point forward at the next level ... Thanks to his big hands and his creativity, he’s an amazing ball handler for his position ... He’s unstoppable with momentum, especially during secondary transition, when he can exploit his amazing mobility starting from the dribble.


Diallo for instances doesn't have anything but the athleticism. Giannis just needed to refine his shooting touch, not his overall feel for the game.

...& here's one for Diallo

-High-flyer who charges the rim. He handles contact well and can finish with either hand.
-Very fluid, quick first step, and good body control; if he tightens his handle, he’ll be able to get anywhere he wants.
-High pick-and-roll scoring potential. Mixes change-of-pace moves with turbo drives into the lane.
-Rangy, wide frame bodes well for his defensive upside, as does his aggression.
-Long enough to block shots from the weakside. He can fall asleep off-ball at times, but makes up for it with hustle.

This also sounds similarly skilled to Giannis & more skilled than you're giving credit

At the end of the day, can the Nets really afford to play it safe without a shot at lottery picks for 2 years? Isn't going after the risk/reward guys the point of having two late 1st round picks?



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[Jersey Generals]

And that was before the Big 3 trade lol..

I don't think I commented on it at the time but a few weeks ago ND threw another reference to the "fact" that they uncovered those details first. SMH.

Seriously? Not that I care about it in regards to Vince versus me (screw you, Vince), that's bs. They argued against me when I first brought it up, and now they want to take credit? Because of that, I'm going to do something that I've never done:


I WAS THE ONE THAT FOUND OUT ABOUT THE PICK SWAP IN THE JOE JOHNSON TRADE. BILLY KING TRIED TO HIDE IT, I WAS THE ONE THAT CALLED THE NETS OUT ON IT.

Well, I hope you're back around for the forseeable future again. I missed y'all...

It's why I started the game, to give me a reason to come to the Nets board now, haha.

[Paradise]

When was the last time we drafted someone with elite athleticism at 18 turning 19 and a combo guard at that? We don't have some terrible body of work to assume he wouldn't pan out here.

The only reason we are even talking about him is because he didn't play at Kentucky. He's in the Top 10 had he suited up for preseason alone. I can understand the argument against him but we have multiple picks and we have the ability to add another.


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